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On May 27 2013 05:53 farnham wrote:
wow so now the tournament is over suddenly it is a problem that koreans were allowed?
why not ban koreans from sc2 outside of korea. that will surely help the growth of esports. i know i wont be watching wcs eu or na then.
The conversation has been going on ever since WCS was announced, it's not "sudden" in the least.
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On May 27 2013 05:56 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe? It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe. Okay so lets just make a tounry in Korea, only invite foreigners and call the winner "Champion of Korea".
Well good luck doing, nobody will give a shit tough 
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On May 27 2013 05:53 farnham wrote:
wow so now the tournament is over suddenly it is a problem that koreans were allowed?
why not ban koreans from sc2 outside of korea. that will surely help the growth of esports. i know i wont be watching wcs eu or na then.
don't worry Korean lovers are as annoying as Korean haters. So it equals itself out and you can always phase out comments of those people if you don't like them. Pretty crucial for enjoying a LR thread.
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On May 27 2013 05:52 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:50 Bagi wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. The solution is obvious, allow people to play wherever but make it so that they need to be a permanent resident there, contributing to that scene. None of the "I'm comuing over from Korea for 2 weeks to get my prize and go back", because it still leaves everyone except Korea irrelevant. In fact I'd rather have a shitty NA scene region locked because even if they get rolled in the global finals, at least they would have their own major finals that would give them incentive to practice. Region locking grows the scene because it provides incentive for local players. TB and CatZ have said it far more eloquently than I have (since I'm giving a firey rant in a LR thread as opposed to carefully-constructed blogging), but the point remains the same. Until we have locked regions, we'll never have a competitive foreign scene.
Let's not go overboard, Europe is competitive.
It's fucking Mvp, is anyone going to say Stephano isn't an amazing player for losing to him? He wiped the floor with forGG.
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what is the problem with some people here, really bitter lol
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On May 27 2013 05:55 eronica wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:53 farnham wrote:
wow so now the tournament is over suddenly it is a problem that koreans were allowed?
why not ban koreans from sc2 outside of korea. that will surely help the growth of esports. i know i wont be watching wcs eu or na then. yeah that's funny If Stephano would have won, the people complaining about korean would have said nothing, since an europeene would have won, even though their idea is that he shouldn't even have played against a korean, making the victory not that glorious. Very paradoxal.
I hope you aren't natively from an English-speaking country. Ad hominem attacks aside, you're making a huge assumption that Stephano vs. LucifroN would be somehow "not that glorious".
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On May 27 2013 05:53 farnham wrote:
wow so now the tournament is over suddenly it is a problem that koreans were allowed?
why not ban koreans from sc2 outside of korea. that will surely help the growth of esports. i know i wont be watching wcs eu or na then.
same.
crappy discussion...
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On May 27 2013 05:57 GunSec wrote:
what is the problem with some people here, really bitter lol
Urghhh you wasted your 1000th post D:
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On May 27 2013 05:54 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:51 KelsierSC wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 m0ck wrote:
Great tournament, I feel Stephano was a bit unlucky with how the builds played out in the final, but he also made some wrong decisions at key moments. That game 1 was just perfect, though.
The two best players reached the final, the player who made the least mistakes won. What more can you wish for? Man that game was like textbook ZvT his creep spread was just incredible Since the guy is French, I think he needs this instead:
Saved forever <3
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this is not about trade of goods. its about the qualification of a person to participate in an event. people suggesting that certain people should not be allowed to participate due to them being born in a certain country are basically being racists.
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On May 27 2013 05:51 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:48 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Irrelevent? You must be kidding last yea WCS EU had 120k starcraft 2 fans watching the none Korean WCS EU championship. Which was irrelevant in the greater picture because all the EU players got knocked out pretty fast in the global finals, and the EU champion himself couldn't even get past the group stage.
LMAO irrelevent you don't watch much sport do you? Just because Denmark getting raped at the world cup doesn't mean million of fans don't watch Danish football.
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On May 27 2013 05:57 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:55 eronica wrote:On May 27 2013 05:53 farnham wrote:
wow so now the tournament is over suddenly it is a problem that koreans were allowed?
why not ban koreans from sc2 outside of korea. that will surely help the growth of esports. i know i wont be watching wcs eu or na then. yeah that's funny If Stephano would have won, the people complaining about korean would have said nothing, since an europeene would have won, even though their idea is that he shouldn't even have played against a korean, making the victory not that glorious. Very paradoxal. I hope you aren't natively from an English-speaking country. Ad hominem attacks aside, you're making a huge assumption that Stephano vs. LucifroN would be somehow "not that glorious".
No, Stephano vs MVP with Stephano winning
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On May 27 2013 05:55 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe? It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe. Uh, no, it isn't.
It isn't played in Europe?
Please continue, you are most entertaining to read together with that Benjamin guy
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On May 27 2013 05:57 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:56 bluQ wrote:On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe? It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe. Okay so lets just make a tounry in Korea, only invite foreigners and call the winner "Champion of Korea". Well good luck doing, nobody will give a shit tough
Because that was totally the point of my post. To practically do that... LR-quality ftw.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On May 27 2013 05:53 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:52 Assirra wrote:On May 27 2013 05:48 Zarahtra wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Not really though. If the money that goes into esports in the west is all sucked up to the east, there is a lot less incentitive to actually get infrastructure up in the west to develop talent. I personally don't think they should region lock it by nationality, but rather by what scene you contribute most to. Fx. Polt contributes pretty much exclusively to AM now, so I feel it makes sense he's locked to AM. Same with ForGG for EU, he's only playing in EU right? That means for the AM and EU money, these players need to actually be contributing to those regions and with that raising the skill level of those regions. And if you do hardcore region locking nobody will care when you win a european/american tournament since they know there are a 100 koreans you won't even touch. This is exactly what happened with BW. Then don't fucking call it WCS EUROPE... I would even go so far and call it false marketing by Blizzard ...
It's not false marketing, it's absolutely correct. It's World Championship Series Europe, played live in Europe. It isn't called WCS for only Europeans, it's WCS for everyone, played in Europe. The whole "But Koreans shouldn't be allowed to play" is wishful thinking. Blizzard's official summary doesn't say anything about "local heroes", "regional champions" or anything of the sort. They talk about the best performing players across three regions; not limited by nationality or residence.
Everyone who says they're pissed because WCS EU isn't a truly regional tournament are allowed to be pissed, but it was never advertised as last year's WCS. People shouldn't compare the two, because they weren't designed to accomplish the same goal.
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On May 27 2013 05:55 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:53 farnham wrote:
wow so now the tournament is over suddenly it is a problem that koreans were allowed?
why not ban koreans from sc2 outside of korea. that will surely help the growth of esports. i know i wont be watching wcs eu or na then. Suddenly? where have you been when WCS got announced?
Most of the reactions to seeing forgg, MMA and Mvp seeded into WCS EU was that it would be a good thing for the tournament, but that WCS AM was going to suck because AM foreigners can't compete like EU foreigners can.
Let's not forget MMA, Forgg and Shuttle all lost to EU players. They can beat them, don't try to protect them from proving themselves. Mana tweeted before the start of WCS EU that he was happy to have the Korean players there to challenge himself.
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On May 27 2013 05:58 farnham wrote:this is not about trade of goods. its about the qualification of a person to participate in an event. people suggesting that certain people should not be allowed to participate due to them being born in a certain country are basically being racists.
Uh, barring Koreans from entering a tournament is racist?
If anything it's confirming there's more good SC2 players in Korea
Not that I support barring Koreans from foreign tournaments
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On May 27 2013 05:56 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:53 farnham wrote:
wow so now the tournament is over suddenly it is a problem that koreans were allowed?
why not ban koreans from sc2 outside of korea. that will surely help the growth of esports. i know i wont be watching wcs eu or na then. The conversation has been going on ever since WCS was announced, it's not "sudden" in the least.
yes but when shuttle, avenge, finale etc. got owned hard it suddenly was no problem anymore.
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why are people still debating this? there are three regions, anyone can play in them, the better players win.
meanwhile, we get three GSL-style tournaments at once, all featuring fan favorites. it's awesome.
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