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Great tournament, I feel Stephano was a bit unlucky with how the builds played out in the final, but he also made some wrong decisions at key moments. That game 1 was just perfect, though.
The two best players reached the final, the player who made the least mistakes won. What more can you wish for?
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On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD....
So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe?
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Best player won apparently, but i'm still sad it hasn't been won by a EU guy.
And now starts the Korean only party for WCS NA and KR.
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On May 27 2013 05:50 m0ck wrote:
Great tournament, I feel Stephano was a bit unlucky with how the builds played out in the final, but he also made some wrong decisions at key moments. That game 1 was just perfect, though.
The two best players reached the final, the player who made the least mistakes won. What more can you wish for?
Man that game was like textbook ZvT
his creep spread was just incredible
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On May 27 2013 05:48 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Irrelevent? You must be kidding last yea WCS EU had 120k starcraft 2 fans watching the none Korean WCS EU championship.
Which was irrelevant in the greater picture because all the EU players got knocked out pretty fast in the global finals, and the EU champion himself couldn't even get past the group stage.
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On May 27 2013 05:47 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:46 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Who cares how they do at the finals? I was watching WCS EU to watch Europeans play starcraft. The only reason I watched the finals was to watch a European player defend his region, and it didn't happen. I love MVP, but he shouldn't have been in this tournament. er well... then it just might be you. Because I think the rest of us watch a starcraft tournement to watch awesome starcraft matches. And this was great!
How entitled u guys are.
I wouldn't watch two Koreans playing in the finals to represent the European champion.
Bayern München is europes best club, but not europe champions. Thats why we have national teams.
Does Champions League now have more viewers because its the best possible skil demonstarted than EU-Championship? I guess not. Because all those who normally dont root for any particular club have more connection to their national team, representing their nation.
MvP representing EU? Now THAT doesn't make sense.
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On May 27 2013 05:48 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:47 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Wudu wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:34 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:32 Psychobabas wrote:On May 27 2013 05:29 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:28 Sakray wrote:
Every WCS (EU/NA/KR) won by a Korean, fuck logic.
GJ Blizzard screwing up on this one. you should complain about the players on EU and NA for not being good enough to win then With your incredible logic. Lets allow Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and all the rest into the Norwegian leagues! -- Bet you're one of those people that didn't complain when foreigners got seeds for the GSL Because the GSL was never meant to crown the "Korean champion"? to be honest how many people would watcht wcs if there wasn't any Koreans? especially if you think of NA player pool! My point is that its ridiculous to call Mvp the "European" champion or whoever wins WCS America the "American" champion. I'm willing to admit that the presence of Koreans in those two tournaments increased the skill level and likely the viewership, but what neither of those tournaments do is determine the best player in either region. The way WCS is set-up right now is just weird, and I somewhat resent it because it means I'll probably never see Mvp (among many strong Koreans) in a GSL (or an OSL) ever again. I want MvP to go for a fifth GSL or his first OSL, not become the champion of a continent he has absolutely zero ties to. I'm shocked that anyone could disagree with this.
I do agree that it is very sad that we will never see MVP in GSL or OSL again. I think WCS is terrible. It's not because of region locking though. If you kept the format the same it would be even worse if they region locked it though. They should have just had GSL have like 5x the prize money and points and then did a region lock. That would been ideal. Then the only way a foreigner could get to the grand finals would be by doing well at the season finals which would require doing well against Koreans.
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On May 27 2013 05:44 Wintex wrote:
Brb burn run.
Thus he ventureth out into the cold vast lands of Norway, in search of a shoppe that selleth Burn, a drink so powerful that it giveth its user many a sleepless night!
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On May 27 2013 05:46 KelsierSC wrote:
A lot of people just witnessed a flawlessly run tournament with epic games and great entertainment throughout.
Strangely some people don't like that and are having to find stuff to bitch about.
That Final was so fucking epic man, and the MVP vs Dimaga game ..holy shit.
Just let yourself be happy
thanks for live reporting! :D
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On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe?
Because he is the champion of WCS EUROPE ??? duh ? Find something else
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On May 27 2013 05:50 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. The solution is obvious, allow people to play wherever but make it so that they need to be a permanent resident there, contributing to that scene. None of the "I'm comuing over from Korea for 2 weeks to get my prize and go back", because it still leaves everyone except Korea irrelevant. In fact I'd rather have a shitty NA scene region locked because even if they get rolled in the global finals, at least they would have their own major finals that would give them incentive to practice.
Region locking grows the scene because it provides incentive for local players. TB and CatZ have said it far more eloquently than I have (since I'm giving a firey rant in a LR thread as opposed to carefully-constructed blogging), but the point remains the same. Until we have locked regions, we'll never have a competitive foreign scene.
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On May 27 2013 05:48 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Not really though. If the money that goes into esports in the west is all sucked up to the east, there is a lot less incentitive to actually get infrastructure up in the west to develop talent. I personally don't think they should region lock it by nationality, but rather by what scene you contribute most to. Fx. Polt contributes pretty much exclusively to AM now, so I feel it makes sense he's locked to AM. Same with ForGG for EU, he's only playing in EU right? That means for the AM and EU money, these players need to actually be contributing to those regions and with that raising the skill level of those regions.
And if you do hardcore region locking nobody will care when you win a european/american tournament since they know there are a 100 koreans you won't even touch. This is exactly what happened with BW.
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On May 27 2013 05:51 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:48 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Irrelevent? You must be kidding last yea WCS EU had 120k starcraft 2 fans watching the none Korean WCS EU championship. Which was irrelevant in the greater picture because all the EU players got knocked out pretty fast in the global finals, and the EU champion himself couldn't even get past the group stage.
Does it even matter what happens in the global finals as long as EUs own events are a huge success to everyone involved?
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Really stellar tournament in every way, good job ESL.
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On May 27 2013 05:48 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:47 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Wudu wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:34 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:32 Psychobabas wrote:On May 27 2013 05:29 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:28 Sakray wrote:
Every WCS (EU/NA/KR) won by a Korean, fuck logic.
GJ Blizzard screwing up on this one. you should complain about the players on EU and NA for not being good enough to win then With your incredible logic. Lets allow Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and all the rest into the Norwegian leagues! -- Bet you're one of those people that didn't complain when foreigners got seeds for the GSL Because the GSL was never meant to crown the "Korean champion"? to be honest how many people would watcht wcs if there wasn't any Koreans? especially if you think of NA player pool! My point is that its ridiculous to call MvP the "European" champion or whoever wins WCS America the "American" champion. I'm willing to admit that the presence of Koreans in those two tournaments increased the skill level and likely the viewership, but what neither of those tournaments do is determine the best player in either region. The way WCS is set-up right now is just weird, and I somewhat resent it because it means I'll probably never see MvP (among many strong Koreans) in a GSL (or an OSL) ever again. I want MvP to go for a fifth GSL or his first OSL, not become the champion of a continent he has absolutely zero ties to. It did determine the best player " European " player, Stephano, seeing as he took everyone else and forGG out.
You the best European player you just don't get the officially title!
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On May 27 2013 05:51 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:47 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:46 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Who cares how they do at the finals? I was watching WCS EU to watch Europeans play starcraft. The only reason I watched the finals was to watch a European player defend his region, and it didn't happen. I love MVP, but he shouldn't have been in this tournament. er well... then it just might be you. Because I think the rest of us watch a starcraft tournement to watch awesome starcraft matches. And this was great! How entitled u guys are. I wouldn't watch two Koreans playing in the finals to represent the European champion. Bayern München is europes best club, but not europe champions. Thats why we could national teams. Does Champions League now have more viewers because its the best possible skil demonstarted than EU-Championship? I guess not. Because all those who normally dont root for any particular club have more connection to their national team, representing their nation. MvP representing EU? Now THAT doesn't make sense.
I can't put it any clearer than that....
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Stephano is a playboy dick slinger
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Noone would care if a korean wins the finals, but they should *not* be allowed in regional finals (except korean regionals ofc).
Atm its like china / us taking all the regional spots for olympia or the world championsship in sport X by participating in smaller countries.
Did the female judoka (are they called this?) from saudi arabia had much chance there? No, but atleast she was allowed to compete at this level.
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wow so now the tournament is over suddenly it is a problem that koreans were allowed?
why not ban koreans from sc2 outside of korea. that will surely help the growth of esports. i know i wont be watching wcs eu or na then.
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EPT
