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Happy for MVP. The skill has spoken.
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On May 27 2013 05:46 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Who cares how they do at the finals? I was watching WCS EU to watch Europeans play starcraft. The only reason I watched the finals was to watch a European player defend his region, and it didn't happen. I love MVP, but he shouldn't have been in this tournament.
This is Starcraft... you should be happy that a European made second
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On May 27 2013 05:45 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:43 Bagi wrote:On May 27 2013 05:42 StarVe wrote:
ESL will never hire NA casters because they're fucking huge and Redeye and Carmac would look like midgets once the hugging starts. Who needs NA casters when you got Kaelaris, Tod and Apollo?  I don't need them here. Hopefully they work out a plan to keep ToD as a caster even though he's in Premier, I like him a lot and I think he's gotten quite a bit of praise during Season 1. I'd love it if they managed to get HasuObs as a replacement for when ToD is unavailable.
Fuzer becomes the next WCS EU caster
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On May 27 2013 05:40 Wudu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:35 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:34 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:32 Psychobabas wrote:On May 27 2013 05:29 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:28 Sakray wrote:
Every WCS (EU/NA/KR) won by a Korean, fuck logic.
GJ Blizzard screwing up on this one. you should complain about the players on EU and NA for not being good enough to win then With your incredible logic. Lets allow Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and all the rest into the Norwegian leagues! -- Bet you're one of those people that didn't complain when foreigners got seeds for the GSL Because the GSL was never meant to crown the "Korean champion"? to be honest how many people would watcht wcs if there wasn't any Koreans? especially if you think of NA player pool!
My point is that its ridiculous to call Mvp the "European" champion or whoever wins WCS America the "American" champion. I'm willing to admit that the presence of Koreans in those two tournaments increased the skill level and likely the viewership, but what neither of those tournaments do is determine the best player in either region.
The way WCS is set-up right now is just weird, and I somewhat resent it because it means I'll probably never see Mvp (among many strong Koreans) in a GSL (or an OSL) ever again. I want MvP to go for a fifth GSL or his first OSL, not become the champion of a continent he has absolutely zero ties to.
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On May 27 2013 05:47 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:45 StarVe wrote:On May 27 2013 05:43 Bagi wrote:On May 27 2013 05:42 StarVe wrote:
ESL will never hire NA casters because they're fucking huge and Redeye and Carmac would look like midgets once the hugging starts. Who needs NA casters when you got Kaelaris, Tod and Apollo? I don't need them here. Hopefully they work out a plan to keep ToD as a caster even though he's in Premier, I like him a lot and I think he's gotten quite a bit of praise during Season 1. I'd love it if they managed to get HasuObs as a replacement for when ToD is unavailable. Fuzer becomes the next WCS EU caster
Fuzer to cast uzer pls.
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On May 27 2013 05:46 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Who cares how they do at the finals? I was watching WCS EU to watch Europeans play starcraft. The only reason I watched the finals was to watch a European player defend his region, and it didn't happen. I love MVP, but he shouldn't have been in this tournament.
er well... then it just might be you. Because I think the rest of us watch a starcraft tournement to watch awesome starcraft matches. And this was great!
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Lucifron's time will come, soon.
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On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive.
Irrelevent? You must be kidding last yea WCS EU had 120k starcraft 2 fans watching the none Korean WCS EU championship.
On May 27 2013 05:47 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:46 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Who cares how they do at the finals? I was watching WCS EU to watch Europeans play starcraft. The only reason I watched the finals was to watch a European player defend his region, and it didn't happen. I love MVP, but he shouldn't have been in this tournament. er well... then it just might be you. Because I think the rest of us watch a starcraft tournement to watch awesome starcraft matches. And this was great!
No is just not him. If we have taken Stephano out of the final and Forgg was there I'm 100% certain there wouldn't even had been 50% of the viewers watching. The fact is WSC EU get more viewers then any other region. Just look at NA WCS 20k viewers tops. Most fans don't give a shit about high lvl starcaft. Shoutcraft NA got more viewers then WCS NA.
ESL should really thank Stephano
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I dont mind a korean winning WCS Europe because its MVP and it was an awesome tournament, but I just cant see WCS America being half as good. 
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On May 27 2013 05:47 Fischbacher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:40 Wudu wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:34 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:32 Psychobabas wrote:On May 27 2013 05:29 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:28 Sakray wrote:
Every WCS (EU/NA/KR) won by a Korean, fuck logic.
GJ Blizzard screwing up on this one. you should complain about the players on EU and NA for not being good enough to win then With your incredible logic. Lets allow Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and all the rest into the Norwegian leagues! -- Bet you're one of those people that didn't complain when foreigners got seeds for the GSL Because the GSL was never meant to crown the "Korean champion"? to be honest how many people would watcht wcs if there wasn't any Koreans? especially if you think of NA player pool! My point is that its ridiculous to call MvP the "European" champion or whoever wins WCS America the "American" champion. I'm willing to admit that the presence of Koreans in those two tournaments increased the skill level and likely the viewership, but what neither of those tournaments do is determine the best player in either region. The way WCS is set-up right now is just weird, and I somewhat resent it because it means I'll probably never see MvP (among many strong Koreans) in a GSL (or an OSL) ever again. I want MvP to go for a fifth GSL or his first OSL, not become the champion of a continent he has absolutely zero ties to.
It did determine the best player " European " player, Stephano, seeing as he took everyone else and forGG out.
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On May 27 2013 05:31 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +Min-Sik Ko @minsikko 2m
Every LGIM player who stayed with me or at my place made it to the finals so far. @LGIMFirst @LGIMYongHwa @LGIMYoDa @LGIMMvp Reis confirmed IM kingmaker.
Poor MKP.
Reis confirmed Prime...uhh, what do you call it...Prime cursor! :p
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On May 27 2013 05:47 Fischbacher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:40 Wudu wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:34 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:32 Psychobabas wrote:On May 27 2013 05:29 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:28 Sakray wrote:
Every WCS (EU/NA/KR) won by a Korean, fuck logic.
GJ Blizzard screwing up on this one. you should complain about the players on EU and NA for not being good enough to win then With your incredible logic. Lets allow Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and all the rest into the Norwegian leagues! -- Bet you're one of those people that didn't complain when foreigners got seeds for the GSL Because the GSL was never meant to crown the "Korean champion"? to be honest how many people would watcht wcs if there wasn't any Koreans? especially if you think of NA player pool! My point is that its ridiculous to call Mvp the "European" champion or whoever wins WCS America the "American" champion. I'm willing to admit that the presence of Koreans in those two tournaments increased the skill level and likely the viewership, but what neither of those tournaments do is determine the best player in either region. The way WCS is set-up right now is just weird, and I somewhat resent it because it means I'll probably never see Mvp (among many strong Koreans) in a GSL (or an OSL) ever again. I want MvP to go for a fifth GSL or his first OSL, not become the champion of a continent he has absolutely zero ties to.
I'm shocked that anyone could disagree with this.
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On May 27 2013 05:43 Antylamon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:42 JacobShock wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Snute is the European hope the european hope to become the american regional champion, gogo snute! we might live in a backwards world, but it's pretty fucking entertaining so far. Skill wins = Backwards?
Thats a way to interpret what I said lol. A more likely thing to extract is that it's pretty funny that when the tournaments are named the way they are, a korean can become the best european player, a european player can become the best of america and in theory an american player could be crowned the korean champ. That is sort of backwards. But I'm not complaining, we've gotten really awesome games out of it.
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On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive.
Not really though. If the money that goes into esports in the west is all sucked up to the east, there is a lot less incentitive to actually get infrastructure up in the west to develop talent. I personally don't think they should region lock it by nationality, but rather by what scene you contribute most to. Fx. Polt contributes pretty much exclusively to AM now, so I feel it makes sense he's locked to AM. Same with ForGG for EU, he's only playing in EU right?
That means for the AM and EU money, these players need to actually be contributing to those regions and with that raising the skill level of those regions.
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Stephano played really bad in the last game. At best 3 supply block before 10min mark. More than 1 minute supply blocked for sure.
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On May 27 2013 05:48 JacobShock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:43 Antylamon wrote:On May 27 2013 05:42 JacobShock wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Snute is the European hope the european hope to become the american regional champion, gogo snute! we might live in a backwards world, but it's pretty fucking entertaining so far. Skill wins = Backwards? Thats a way to interpret what I said lol. A more likely thing to extract is that it's pretty funny that when the tournaments are named the way they are, a korean can become the best european player, a european player can become the best of american and in theory the best korean player could be crowned the korean champ. That is sort of backwards. But I'm not complaining, we've gotten really awesome games out of it.
I understood what you meant. Just making a joke lol
:D
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People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD....
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On May 27 2013 05:47 Sabre wrote:
Lucifron's time will come, soon.
Yeah...hopefully. I really wanted to see him play against koreans in the season finals.
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On May 27 2013 05:48 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Irrelevent? You must be kidding last yea WCS EU had 120k starcraft 2 fans watching the none Korean WCS EU championship.
90 k afaik
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On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive.
The solution is obvious, allow people to play wherever but make it so that they need to be a permanent resident there, contributing to that scene. None of the "I'm comuing over from Korea for 2 weeks to get my prize and go back", because it still leaves everyone except Korea irrelevant.
In fact I'd rather have a shitty NA scene region locked because even if they get rolled in the global finals, at least they would have their own major finals that would give them incentive to practice.
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