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Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
May 26 2013 20:44 GMT
#6801
On May 27 2013 05:43 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:42 StarVe wrote:
ESL will never hire NA casters because they're fucking huge and Redeye and Carmac would look like midgets once the hugging starts.

Who needs NA casters when you got Kaelaris, Tod and Apollo?

Who needs casters?

Needs more MVP
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
May 26 2013 20:44 GMT
#6802
On May 27 2013 05:40 Gr33d wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:38 diophan wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting.

apparently 120,000 people disagree...


They were watching because a European was playing in the finals...


You sure talked to 120,000 people and confirmed they hate watching MVP pretty quickly.


And you talked to the 120,000 people and confirmed they love watching MVP pretty quickly too.
The all korean matches have shit amount of viewers, because the large majority doesnt care for them. They want to relate to players and thats easier with an american or european (because those are the biggest markets with the highest amount of viewers) than an korean.


This is not true, KR vs KR can get tons of foreign viewers (Flash vs Life and MLG is the running example). People do enjoy watching Koreans, but this was a REGIONAL tournament. Korean players knocked Europeans out of the their own regional tournament, it's a complete joke. I'd have nothing to say if this was simply Dreamhack or IEM or something, but it wasn't. It was the "European championship", and it was a complete farce as far as determining the European power rankings and developing the foreign scene. And WCS AM is a joke that shouldn't even be discussed.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
levelping
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore759 Posts
May 26 2013 20:44 GMT
#6803
On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting.

apparently 120,000 people disagree...


They were watching because a European was playing in the finals...


Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k.


How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too.

I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked.


Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
May 26 2013 20:44 GMT
#6804
Brb burn run.
The Bomber boy
ayayouyouyaille
Profile Joined February 2011
France112 Posts
May 26 2013 20:44 GMT
#6805
GG ESL amazing production <3
“That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo… and it’s worth fighting for.” – Sam
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
May 26 2013 20:45 GMT
#6806
On May 27 2013 05:44 Wintex wrote:
Brb burn run.

lol you stay true to your word
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 26 2013 20:45 GMT
#6807
Lol Dimaga is amazing.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 26 2013 20:45 GMT
#6808
I hope Dimaga does well at Season finals. Such a passionate and nice guy
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
eGoRama
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 20:46:06
May 26 2013 20:45 GMT
#6809
On May 27 2013 05:43 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:39 Rampoon wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:37 samurai80 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting.

apparently 120,000 people disagree...

Apparently I m part of the 120,000 people u mention... I mean I watched it for other matches but this is much less exciting when u know who is gonna win.


I'll just leave this idea here:

I for one love watching this type of stuff just because there IS a good chance that there'll be a strong korean (terran or whatever) in the final and if a European gets there and wins the games then the win will be all the more awesome to watch....just me.


Exactly, imagine next season if Naniwa or someone fights Mvp in the finals and WINS, it will be the most hype thing ever.


They should use some DNA tests to confirm that the participants are really from Europe origin, or it wont be good enough WCS :D
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
May 26 2013 20:45 GMT
#6810
http://strawpoll.me/67979/r
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
May 26 2013 20:45 GMT
#6811
On May 27 2013 05:41 Dodgin wrote:
You can complain all you want about Mvp playing in Europe but let's be serious, his presence in the tournament brings it to a much higher level of prestige. He's only one man, Europe can stop him next season. It's not even like Mvp is the best player in the world anymore.



Having him there build huge hype and storyline for any foreigner that will face him in next season!
Always give without remembering & always receive without forgetting.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 26 2013 20:45 GMT
#6812
On May 27 2013 05:40 Gr33d wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:38 diophan wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting.

apparently 120,000 people disagree...


They were watching because a European was playing in the finals...


You sure talked to 120,000 people and confirmed they hate watching MVP pretty quickly.


And you talked to the 120,000 people and confirmed they love watching MVP pretty quickly too.
The all korean matches have shit amount of viewers, because the large majority doesnt care for them. They want to relate to players and thats easier with an american or european (because those are the biggest markets with the highest amount of viewers) than an korean.


I get that in the case of WCS AM, because It's a lot of Koreans without the history of Mvp.

But this is Mvp, he's an icon of this game and any tournament featuring him will be better off for it. We know his story and can relate to him, It's not like some random person who has never won a tournament before took the crown.

EU will fight back.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 26 2013 20:45 GMT
#6813
On May 27 2013 05:44 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:40 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:38 diophan wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting.

apparently 120,000 people disagree...


They were watching because a European was playing in the finals...


You sure talked to 120,000 people and confirmed they hate watching MVP pretty quickly.


And you talked to the 120,000 people and confirmed they love watching MVP pretty quickly too.
The all korean matches have shit amount of viewers, because the large majority doesnt care for them. They want to relate to players and thats easier with an american or european (because those are the biggest markets with the highest amount of viewers) than an korean.


This is not true, KR vs KR can get tons of foreign viewers (Flash vs Life and MLG is the running example). People do enjoy watching Koreans, but this was a REGIONAL tournament. Korean players knocked Europeans out of the their own regional tournament, it's a complete joke. I'd have nothing to say if this was simply Dreamhack or IEM or something, but it wasn't. It was the "European championship", and it was a complete farce as far as determining the European power rankings and developing the foreign scene. And WCS AM is a joke that shouldn't even be discussed.


It is a farce best way to describe it. However I do think MVP like Dodgin said is going to life the European skill level.
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
May 26 2013 20:45 GMT
#6814
On May 27 2013 05:45 DJHelium wrote:
http://strawpoll.me/67979/r

What is this I don't even
diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
May 26 2013 20:45 GMT
#6815
On May 27 2013 05:44 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:40 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:38 diophan wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting.

apparently 120,000 people disagree...


They were watching because a European was playing in the finals...


You sure talked to 120,000 people and confirmed they hate watching MVP pretty quickly.


And you talked to the 120,000 people and confirmed they love watching MVP pretty quickly too.
The all korean matches have shit amount of viewers, because the large majority doesnt care for them. They want to relate to players and thats easier with an american or european (because those are the biggest markets with the highest amount of viewers) than an korean.


This is not true, KR vs KR can get tons of foreign viewers (Flash vs Life and MLG is the running example). People do enjoy watching Koreans, but this was a REGIONAL tournament. Korean players knocked Europeans out of the their own regional tournament, it's a complete joke. I'd have nothing to say if this was simply Dreamhack or IEM or something, but it wasn't. It was the "European championship", and it was a complete farce as far as determining the European power rankings and developing the foreign scene. And WCS AM is a joke that shouldn't even be discussed.


Maybe don't give equal standing and payouts to regions which aren't equal if you don't want people crossing over. The Stanley cup final isn't between the best NHL team and the team in Mexico.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 20:46:50
May 26 2013 20:45 GMT
#6816
On May 27 2013 05:43 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:42 StarVe wrote:
ESL will never hire NA casters because they're fucking huge and Redeye and Carmac would look like midgets once the hugging starts.

Who needs NA casters when you got Kaelaris, Tod and Apollo?

I don't need them here.

Hopefully they work out a plan to keep ToD as a caster even though he's in Premier, I like him a lot and I think he's gotten quite a bit of praise during Season 1.
I'd love it if they managed to get HasuObs as a replacement for when ToD is unavailable.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
May 26 2013 20:46 GMT
#6817
On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting.

apparently 120,000 people disagree...


They were watching because a European was playing in the finals...


Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k.


How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too.

I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked.


Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive.


Who cares how they do at the finals? I was watching WCS EU to watch Europeans play starcraft. The only reason I watched the finals was to watch a European player defend his region, and it didn't happen. I love MVP, but he shouldn't have been in this tournament.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
May 26 2013 20:46 GMT
#6818
On May 27 2013 05:43 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:42 StarVe wrote:
ESL will never hire NA casters because they're fucking huge and Redeye and Carmac would look like midgets once the hugging starts.

Who needs NA casters when you got Kaelaris, Tod and Apollo?

Mixing in TB would probably be good, he brings lots of viewers
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
May 26 2013 20:46 GMT
#6819
On May 27 2013 05:40 Gr33d wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:38 diophan wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting.

apparently 120,000 people disagree...


They were watching because a European was playing in the finals...


You sure talked to 120,000 people and confirmed they hate watching MVP pretty quickly.


And you talked to the 120,000 people and confirmed they love watching MVP pretty quickly too.
The all korean matches have shit amount of viewers, because the large majority doesnt care for them. They want to relate to players and thats easier with an american or european (because those are the biggest markets with the highest amount of viewers) than an korean.


The Korean matches are at a terrible time for Americans and probably not a very good time for EU though I assume its slightly better.

Also its not really fair to make a claim and then say since you cant prove or disprove it my claim is true.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 26 2013 20:46 GMT
#6820
A lot of people just witnessed a flawlessly run tournament with epic games and great entertainment throughout.

Strangely some people don't like that and are having to find stuff to bitch about.

That Final was so fucking epic man, and the MVP vs Dimaga game ..holy shit.

Just let yourself be happy
Zerg for Life
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