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On May 27 2013 05:53 farnham wrote:
wow so now the tournament is over suddenly it is a problem that koreans were allowed?
why not ban koreans from sc2 outside of korea. that will surely help the growth of esports. i know i wont be watching wcs eu or na then.
Suddenly? This was called out as problem as soon as the system was announced. And the "I won't be watching eu or na then" is meaningless because people like you are such a small minority that it would barely be noticed.
Esports doesnt grow because of koreans. It grows with the *western* audience.
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On May 27 2013 05:56 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe? It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe. Okay so lets just make a tounry in Korea, only invite foreigners and call the winner "Champion of Korea". Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:56 Ventris wrote:On May 27 2013 05:53 bluQ wrote:On May 27 2013 05:52 Assirra wrote:On May 27 2013 05:48 Zarahtra wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Not really though. If the money that goes into esports in the west is all sucked up to the east, there is a lot less incentitive to actually get infrastructure up in the west to develop talent. I personally don't think they should region lock it by nationality, but rather by what scene you contribute most to. Fx. Polt contributes pretty much exclusively to AM now, so I feel it makes sense he's locked to AM. Same with ForGG for EU, he's only playing in EU right? That means for the AM and EU money, these players need to actually be contributing to those regions and with that raising the skill level of those regions. And if you do hardcore region locking nobody will care when you win a european/american tournament since they know there are a 100 koreans you won't even touch. This is exactly what happened with BW. Then don't fucking call it WCS EUROPE... I would even go so far and call it false marketing by Blizzard ... Why. The name says the tournament is part of Blizzards WCS and played out in Europe. And the tournament is exactly what it says on the tin. It is the tournament to crown the european champion, which guess what, is not european. Read my post about my CL analogy if you can't follow me.
24 out of 32 in EU were invites, only 3 of them were Korean. 2 Koreans got top 4. It's not their fault that EU players aren't very good. GSL gave countless seeds to foreigners over the years.
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On May 27 2013 05:57 GunSec wrote:
what is the problem with some people here, really bitter lol
100% of LR threads turn weird after all the games are over.
To be fair, 60% of LR threads turn weird during the games already, so that's not much of an accomplishment.
It just depends on what mood you're in to decide whether you should stay and fight the more ridiculous statements or whether you should simply get up and leave.
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On May 27 2013 05:59 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:55 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe? It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe. Uh, no, it isn't. It isn't played in Europe? Please continue, you are most entertaining to read together with that Benjamin guy
Yeah, i could have sworn Cologne was in Europe. Must be something with my eyes.
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On May 27 2013 05:58 farnham wrote:this is not about trade of goods. its about the qualification of a person to participate in an event. people suggesting that certain people should not be allowed to participate due to them being born in a certain country are basically being racists.
Holy shit, I'm amazed that you managed to post that without drowning in your cereal. This post shows a shocking level of ignorance.
It's a *regional* tournament. Only people that *live in the fucking region* should be able to participate. Or should Lebron James be allowed to play in the European basketball championships?
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On May 27 2013 05:59 Sent. wrote:
No show today?
you mean xtra time? I dont think so unnfortunatly
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So disappointed watching Koreans win every tournament. Well played by Stephano but this is boring me.
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On May 27 2013 06:01 Azriel wrote:
So disappointed watching Koreans win every tournament. Well played by Stephano but this is boring me.
![[image loading]](http://fireden.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/mvp-smile.gif)
Definitely boring
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On May 27 2013 06:00 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:57 GunSec wrote:
what is the problem with some people here, really bitter lol 100% of LR threads turn weird after all the games are over. To be fair, 60% of LR threads turn weird during the games already, so that's not much of an accomplishment.
True that, but there is unnecessary weird (the whole anti-Korean stuff) and totally awesome weird (  MVP - Jürgen Jung Hyun). I hope this Jürgen thing sticks 
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On May 27 2013 06:00 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:56 bluQ wrote:On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe? It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe. Okay so lets just make a tounry in Korea, only invite foreigners and call the winner "Champion of Korea". On May 27 2013 05:56 Ventris wrote:On May 27 2013 05:53 bluQ wrote:On May 27 2013 05:52 Assirra wrote:On May 27 2013 05:48 Zarahtra wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:
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They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Not really though. If the money that goes into esports in the west is all sucked up to the east, there is a lot less incentitive to actually get infrastructure up in the west to develop talent. I personally don't think they should region lock it by nationality, but rather by what scene you contribute most to. Fx. Polt contributes pretty much exclusively to AM now, so I feel it makes sense he's locked to AM. Same with ForGG for EU, he's only playing in EU right? That means for the AM and EU money, these players need to actually be contributing to those regions and with that raising the skill level of those regions. And if you do hardcore region locking nobody will care when you win a european/american tournament since they know there are a 100 koreans you won't even touch. This is exactly what happened with BW. Then don't fucking call it WCS EUROPE... I would even go so far and call it false marketing by Blizzard ... Why. The name says the tournament is part of Blizzards WCS and played out in Europe. And the tournament is exactly what it says on the tin. It is the tournament to crown the european champion, which guess what, is not european. Read my post about my CL analogy if you can't follow me. 24 out of 32 in EU were invites, only 3 of them were Korean. 2 Koreans got top 4. It's not their fault that EU players aren't very good. GSL gave countless seeds to foreigners over the years.
Love how every one of your posts is just a variation of shitting on EU players and the scene.
Why are you even in the WCS EU thread?
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On May 27 2013 06:00 Ventris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:59 Fluffboll wrote:On May 27 2013 05:55 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe? It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe. Uh, no, it isn't. It isn't played in Europe? Please continue, you are most entertaining to read together with that Benjamin guy Yeah, i could have sworn Cologne was in Europe. Must be something with my eyes.
Woosh. My statement was made concerning the title of WCS EU. It is called the European championship because it's supposed to be the champion of European players. No one cares where the people are when they play- look at WCS AM, the first rounds were played online with people literally playing from Korea.
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On May 27 2013 05:59 Sent. wrote:
No show today?
LOL you are just a little bit late, you just woke up?
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On May 27 2013 05:59 Antylamon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:58 farnham wrote:this is not about trade of goods. its about the qualification of a person to participate in an event. people suggesting that certain people should not be allowed to participate due to them being born in a certain country are basically being racists. Uh, barring Koreans from entering a tournament is racist? If anything it's confirming there's more good SC2 players in Korea Not that I support barring Koreans from foreign tournaments
certainly it is. there are people living in europe that may want to try to participate in wcs eu that happen to be of korean ethnicy but have never enjoyed being in a professional environment in korea (people like daisy come into mind). why discriminate such people just because they are of korean ethnicy? On May 27 2013 06:00 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:58 farnham wrote:this is not about trade of goods. its about the qualification of a person to participate in an event. people suggesting that certain people should not be allowed to participate due to them being born in a certain country are basically being racists. Holy shit, I'm amazed that you managed to post that without drowning in your cereal. This post shows a shocking level of ignorance. It's a *regional* tournament. Only people that *live in the fucking region* should be able to participate. Or should Lebron James be allowed to play in the European basketball championships?
so what is the problem? MVP not being of european ethnicy or MVP not having his permanent residency in europe? forgg, mma and mc now seems to live in europe. they seem to be living in the region.
can MVP live in europe and go to korea sometimes to meet his family, friends, team to be considered a permanent resident? if yes, how long, how frequently?
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On May 27 2013 06:02 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 06:00 Ventris wrote:On May 27 2013 05:59 Fluffboll wrote:On May 27 2013 05:55 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe? It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe. Uh, no, it isn't. It isn't played in Europe? Please continue, you are most entertaining to read together with that Benjamin guy Yeah, i could have sworn Cologne was in Europe. Must be something with my eyes. Woosh. My statement was made concerning the title of WCS EU. It is called the European championship because it's supposed to be the champion of European players. No one cares where the people are when they play- look at WCS AM, the first rounds were played online with people literally playing from Korea.
IEM tournaments are named for where they are played at. Should only people from that location be allowed to play in them?
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On May 27 2013 05:56 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:47 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Wudu wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:34 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:32 Psychobabas wrote:On May 27 2013 05:29 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:28 Sakray wrote:
Every WCS (EU/NA/KR) won by a Korean, fuck logic.
GJ Blizzard screwing up on this one. you should complain about the players on EU and NA for not being good enough to win then With your incredible logic. Lets allow Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and all the rest into the Norwegian leagues! -- Bet you're one of those people that didn't complain when foreigners got seeds for the GSL Because the GSL was never meant to crown the "Korean champion"? to be honest how many people would watcht wcs if there wasn't any Koreans? especially if you think of NA player pool! My point is that its ridiculous to call Mvp the "European" champion or whoever wins WCS America the "American" champion. I'm willing to admit that the presence of Koreans in those two tournaments increased the skill level and likely the viewership, but what neither of those tournaments do is determine the best player in either region. The way WCS is set-up right now is just weird, and I somewhat resent it because it means I'll probably never see Mvp (among many strong Koreans) in a GSL (or an OSL) ever again. I want MvP to go for a fifth GSL or his first OSL, not become the champion of a continent he has absolutely zero ties to. Im actually concerned about how when they region lock WCS (which at this point its a fair assumption next year they will) what that will mean for the Koreans who aren't in GSL/OSL currently since several dropped out to play in other regions.
Probably bad things.
There are problems with the WCS format beyond region locking and taking players away from GSL / OSL. One of them is that its just so damn difficult to switch from one region to another, you essentially have to sacrifice a year's worth of results. Would be a lot better if they did it like with the BW OSL / MSL where you had a chance to win any season from the qualifiers.
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On May 27 2013 06:02 GunSec wrote:LOL you are just a little bit late, you just woke up?
I feel so bad for him
Oh well, VOD time for him
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On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive.
If the regions are not locked, then this is just the beginning of a flood of Koreans. More and more 2nd tier Koreans are going to make the move to go after the easy money. You will have a situation of the round of 8 being all Korean in EU and especially NA.
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On May 27 2013 06:02 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 06:00 Ventris wrote:On May 27 2013 05:59 Fluffboll wrote:On May 27 2013 05:55 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe? It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe. Uh, no, it isn't. It isn't played in Europe? Please continue, you are most entertaining to read together with that Benjamin guy Yeah, i could have sworn Cologne was in Europe. Must be something with my eyes. Woosh. My statement was made concerning the title of WCS EU. It is called the European championship because it's supposed to be the champion of European players. No one cares where the people are when they play- look at WCS AM, the first rounds were played online with people literally playing from Korea.
Actually, it is called WCS EU because it determines the champion of the European region by playing out the Ro16 and forward in Europe. It doesn't have anything to do with who lives where or who is a citizen of what country, the only thing that matters is that the players are in Europe for the live rounds. You might want it to be otherwise, but that's not the case.
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I think it's about time to abandon thread... too many people bashing Koreans
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On May 27 2013 06:02 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 06:00 Ventris wrote:On May 27 2013 05:59 Fluffboll wrote:On May 27 2013 05:55 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe? It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe. Uh, no, it isn't. It isn't played in Europe? Please continue, you are most entertaining to read together with that Benjamin guy Yeah, i could have sworn Cologne was in Europe. Must be something with my eyes. Woosh. My statement was made concerning the title of WCS EU. It is called the European championship because it's supposed to be the champion of European players. No one cares where the people are when they play- look at WCS AM, the first rounds were played online with people literally playing from Korea.
You make statements like they are facts yet considering the rules Blizzard disagrees with you.
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