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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 26 2013 21:07 GMT
#6941
On May 27 2013 06:06 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 03:11 Benjamin99 wrote:
Thanks!!!

Stephano legend!!

Sorry MVP and fans Stephano is going to crush you dreams

" Yes Korea go back home"


Now about that......stephano go home!! MVP baby!


Yes yes
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
May 26 2013 21:08 GMT
#6942
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:54 Ysellian wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:53 Bagration wrote:
This ongoing debate is basically the SC2 version of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_debate

Free trade vs Protectionism

Feel free to peruse the article for arguments


Great analogy.


Nothing like it.

I'm generally getting really pissed that people actually defend this farce. The world cup in football don't only got German,Spanish,Brazilian and Argentinian teams do they? We actually got countries in Africa representing Africa

And that's why football is the biggest sport in the world

Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport. Even though you are such a low minority but very loud


also in football there is a league system where nobody cares if ronaldo is born in portugal if he plays in madrid or robben is dutch when he plays in muenchen.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
May 26 2013 21:08 GMT
#6943
On May 27 2013 06:06 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 03:11 Benjamin99 wrote:
Thanks!!!

Stephano legend!!

Sorry MVP and fans Stephano is going to crush you dreams

" Yes Korea go back home"


Now about that......stephano go home!! MVP baby!

Hahahaha, nice catch! :p Rub it in...
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
May 26 2013 21:08 GMT
#6944
On May 27 2013 06:04 Bizeheryer wrote:
Play of the tournament:


more like misplay of the tournament :D
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 26 2013 21:09 GMT
#6945
On May 27 2013 06:07 Antylamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

What?

I never even played BW and I'm fine with Koreans winning

The only people who like Koreans are filthy BW elitists those accursed old men holding esports back for the young generations.
Glorious SEA doto
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 26 2013 21:09 GMT
#6946
On May 27 2013 06:08 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:06 Canucklehead wrote:
On May 27 2013 03:11 Benjamin99 wrote:
Thanks!!!

Stephano legend!!

Sorry MVP and fans Stephano is going to crush you dreams

" Yes Korea go back home"


Now about that......stephano go home!! MVP baby!

Hahahaha, nice catch! :p Rub it in...


Its OK I would have done the same
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
eronica
Profile Joined October 2012
175 Posts
May 26 2013 21:09 GMT
#6947
On May 27 2013 06:07 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:05 eronica wrote:
When Stephano won NASL (NORTH AMERICAN star league) nobody said anything. Don't lie to yourself, it's about korean and foreigner. The country/region debate is just an excuse.

Of course, just like nobody is complaining about Snute now, and no one complained when Naniwa won MLG before Koreans started coming to US tournaments.


Snute is good example (not the naniwa case though, MLG is just MLG,nothing seems to be related to region)
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
May 26 2013 21:09 GMT
#6948
On May 27 2013 06:06 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:00 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:58 farnham wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:53 Bagration wrote:
This ongoing debate is basically the SC2 version of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_debate

Free trade vs Protectionism

Feel free to peruse the article for arguments
this is not about trade of goods. its about the qualification of a person to participate in an event. people suggesting that certain people should not be allowed to participate due to them being born in a certain country are basically being racists.


Holy shit, I'm amazed that you managed to post that without drowning in your cereal. This post shows a shocking level of ignorance.

It's a *regional* tournament. Only people that *live in the fucking region* should be able to participate. Or should Lebron James be allowed to play in the European basketball championships?

He would be allowed to play in the EU leagues, like all the Americans who already do. Maybe you should look at this like the leagues and not the EU championship then.


We have plenty of non-locked leagues. They're great to watch- I'm not hating on watching top Koreans play, I very much enjoy (coincidentally) watching MVP play. But this tourney should have been region locked.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
May 26 2013 21:09 GMT
#6949
Great tournament! Just putting that in so people who look tomorrow will now that there actually has been a fantastic tournament! Well done ESL. Loved the instant replays with the players faces after the game!
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
May 26 2013 21:09 GMT
#6950
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

Didn't IPL try the region-lock thing for S1 and failed horribly?
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
May 26 2013 21:09 GMT
#6951
On May 27 2013 06:05 eronica wrote:
When Stephano won NASL (NORTH AMERICAN star league) nobody said anything. Don't lie to yourself, it's about korean and foreigner. The country/region debate is just an excuse.

That's just a name though. If NASL was ran by Blizzard and there was EUSL and KRSL being ran at the same time, it would've raised some eyebrows.

WCS also has the baggage of being strictly region-locked last year, so people are more likely to assume the same here.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
May 26 2013 21:10 GMT
#6952
On May 27 2013 06:09 eronica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:07 sitromit wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:05 eronica wrote:
When Stephano won NASL (NORTH AMERICAN star league) nobody said anything. Don't lie to yourself, it's about korean and foreigner. The country/region debate is just an excuse.

Of course, just like nobody is complaining about Snute now, and no one complained when Naniwa won MLG before Koreans started coming to US tournaments.


Snute is good example (not the naniwa case though, MLG is just MLG,nothing seems to be related to region)


Neither of those events purported to be regional championships.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
May 26 2013 21:10 GMT
#6953
On May 27 2013 06:06 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:00 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:58 farnham wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:53 Bagration wrote:
This ongoing debate is basically the SC2 version of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_debate

Free trade vs Protectionism

Feel free to peruse the article for arguments
this is not about trade of goods. its about the qualification of a person to participate in an event. people suggesting that certain people should not be allowed to participate due to them being born in a certain country are basically being racists.


Holy shit, I'm amazed that you managed to post that without drowning in your cereal. This post shows a shocking level of ignorance.

It's a *regional* tournament. Only people that *live in the fucking region* should be able to participate. Or should Lebron James be allowed to play in the European basketball championships?

He would be allowed to play in the EU leagues, like all the Americans who already do. Maybe you should look at this like the leagues and not the EU championship then.

If you want to watch something like EU championship - WCG Samsung European Encounter is the way to go. (Wiki)2012 StarCraft II World Championship Series/Europe/Nationals/Combined Europe

But I agree it blows that Mvp crashed the party.
Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
May 26 2013 21:10 GMT
#6954
Oh... Great just saw the results. Many people were concerned about Stephano play nowadays before WCS Europe. Now he proved that he is still one of the best players.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 21:10:55
May 26 2013 21:10 GMT
#6955
On May 27 2013 06:09 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:07 Antylamon wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

What?

I never even played BW and I'm fine with Koreans winning

The only people who like Koreans are filthy BW elitists those accursed old men holding esports back for the young generations.

Leave the forums immediately, you dirty casual LoL fan. You're hurting SC2 stream stability.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 26 2013 21:10 GMT
#6956
On May 27 2013 06:09 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

Didn't IPL try the region-lock thing for S1 and failed horribly?

IPL1 was an NA trial run to see if IGN could pull off a tournament then they made promises of helping the NA scene. Then they decided fuck that noise let's bring in 5000 Koreans.
Glorious SEA doto
Fischbacher
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada666 Posts
May 26 2013 21:10 GMT
#6957
On May 27 2013 06:03 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:02 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:00 Ventris wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:59 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:55 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD....

So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe?

It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe.


Uh, no, it isn't.


It isn't played in Europe?

Please continue, you are most entertaining to read together with that Benjamin guy

Yeah, i could have sworn Cologne was in Europe. Must be something with my eyes.


Woosh. My statement was made concerning the title of WCS EU. It is called the European championship because it's supposed to be the champion of European players. No one cares where the people are when they play- look at WCS AM, the first rounds were played online with people literally playing from Korea.


Actually, it is called WCS EU because it determines the champion of the European region by playing out the Ro16 and forward in Europe. It doesn't have anything to do with who lives where or who is a citizen of what country, the only thing that matters is that the players are in Europe for the live rounds. You might want it to be otherwise, but that's not the case.

So Spain is the Austrian, Swiss, South African, Polish and Ukrainian Football champion because they played all the matches of their Euro / World Cup victories there?

The fact that all the games are played in Europe doesn't imply that it makes any sense to declare the winner European champion. WCS Europe champion, sure, but saying that someone is champion of a certain region implies that the participants are from (or has significant ties) to said region. Spending two weeks in Europe hardly makes you European.

(I don't really have any issues with Koreans taking part in WCS EU or AM - except that I am really sad to see so many players give up GSL / OSL - but saying that the winners of WCS EU or AM are the European or American champion strikes me as somewhat ridiculous)
Gr33d
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany423 Posts
May 26 2013 21:10 GMT
#6958
On May 27 2013 06:07 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:05 eronica wrote:
When Stephano won NASL (NORTH AMERICAN star league) nobody said anything. Don't lie to yourself, it's about korean and foreigner. The country/region debate is just an excuse.

Of course, just like nobody is complaining about Snute now, and no one complained when Naniwa won MLG before Koreans started coming to US tournaments.


I gues you did not visit the threads when the players for the NASL were announced, let alone for the finals. In NAs case its so sad though that it kinda became funny.
Ideas like Shoutcraft NA go in the right direction and they are a success, would get even better with the "blizzard power" behind it.
Fanatics find their heaven in never ending storming wind || Auguries of destruction be a lullaby for rebirth
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 21:11:12
May 26 2013 21:10 GMT
#6959
On May 27 2013 06:09 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:07 Antylamon wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

What?

I never even played BW and I'm fine with Koreans winning

The only people who like Koreans are filthy BW elitists those accursed old men holding esports back for the young generations.


Nice hyperbole fusilero. I know the truth hurt sometimes. But a good friend will tell you the truth it no matter if you don't like to hear it.
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 26 2013 21:11 GMT
#6960
On May 27 2013 06:09 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:05 eronica wrote:
When Stephano won NASL (NORTH AMERICAN star league) nobody said anything. Don't lie to yourself, it's about korean and foreigner. The country/region debate is just an excuse.

That's just a name though. If NASL was ran by Blizzard and there was EUSL and KRSL being ran at the same time, it would've raised some eyebrows.

WCS also has the baggage of being strictly region-locked last year, so people are more likely to assume the same here.


Fair point, but if people want to argue for or against something they might want to drop silly assumptions and stick to (what looks like) facts, or threads just end up like most LR threads
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