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ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
May 26 2013 21:11 GMT
#6961
On May 27 2013 06:04 Bizeheryer wrote:
Play of the tournament:



Thats amazing,haha... forGG at 0:09 is having an anti-gasm
“Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also.” - Marcus Aurelius
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
May 26 2013 21:11 GMT
#6962
On May 27 2013 06:08 farnham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:54 Ysellian wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:53 Bagration wrote:
This ongoing debate is basically the SC2 version of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_debate

Free trade vs Protectionism

Feel free to peruse the article for arguments


Great analogy.


Nothing like it.

I'm generally getting really pissed that people actually defend this farce. The world cup in football don't only got German,Spanish,Brazilian and Argentinian teams do they? We actually got countries in Africa representing Africa

And that's why football is the biggest sport in the world

Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport. Even though you are such a low minority but very loud


also in football there is a league system where nobody cares if ronaldo is born in portugal if he plays in madrid or robben is dutch when he plays in muenchen.

Umm, yes they do. At least in germany there is a rule for not having too many foreigenr players on the team. Afaik its 12 player must be german.
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 26 2013 21:11 GMT
#6963
On May 27 2013 06:10 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:09 Fusilero wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:07 Antylamon wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

What?

I never even played BW and I'm fine with Koreans winning

The only people who like Koreans are filthy BW elitists those accursed old men holding esports back for the young generations.

Leave the forums immediately, you dirty casual LoL fan. You're hurting SC2 stream stability.

I heard you like Koreans starve you're holding back the globalisation of esports you fuck.
Glorious SEA doto
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
May 26 2013 21:11 GMT
#6964
On May 27 2013 06:07 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:05 eronica wrote:
When Stephano won NASL (NORTH AMERICAN star league) nobody said anything. Don't lie to yourself, it's about korean and foreigner. The country/region debate is just an excuse.

Of course, just like nobody is complaining about Snute now, and no one complained when Naniwa won MLG before Koreans started coming to US tournaments.

good point. stephano should not have played in MLG or NASL
eronica
Profile Joined October 2012
175 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 21:12:23
May 26 2013 21:12 GMT
#6965
On May 27 2013 06:10 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:09 eronica wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:07 sitromit wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:05 eronica wrote:
When Stephano won NASL (NORTH AMERICAN star league) nobody said anything. Don't lie to yourself, it's about korean and foreigner. The country/region debate is just an excuse.

Of course, just like nobody is complaining about Snute now, and no one complained when Naniwa won MLG before Koreans started coming to US tournaments.


Snute is good example (not the naniwa case though, MLG is just MLG,nothing seems to be related to region)


Neither of those events purported to be regional championships.


Neither of WCS from today since Blizzard changed it that way.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
May 26 2013 21:12 GMT
#6966
On May 27 2013 06:10 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:09 eronica wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:07 sitromit wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:05 eronica wrote:
When Stephano won NASL (NORTH AMERICAN star league) nobody said anything. Don't lie to yourself, it's about korean and foreigner. The country/region debate is just an excuse.

Of course, just like nobody is complaining about Snute now, and no one complained when Naniwa won MLG before Koreans started coming to US tournaments.


Snute is good example (not the naniwa case though, MLG is just MLG,nothing seems to be related to region)


Neither of those events purported to be regional championships.

Snute is in ro8 WCS America. Everyone is complaining about the Koreans but not Snute. How is that different from Koreans in WCS EU?
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 21:14:48
May 26 2013 21:12 GMT
#6967
On May 27 2013 06:09 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

Didn't IPL try the region-lock thing for S1 and failed horribly?


And WCS EU had region lock last season and it was a gigantic success!

On May 27 2013 06:12 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:10 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:09 eronica wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:07 sitromit wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:05 eronica wrote:
When Stephano won NASL (NORTH AMERICAN star league) nobody said anything. Don't lie to yourself, it's about korean and foreigner. The country/region debate is just an excuse.

Of course, just like nobody is complaining about Snute now, and no one complained when Naniwa won MLG before Koreans started coming to US tournaments.


Snute is good example (not the naniwa case though, MLG is just MLG,nothing seems to be related to region)


Neither of those events purported to be regional championships.

Snute is in ro8 WCS America. Everyone is complaining about the Koreans but not Snute. How is that different from Koreans in WCS EU?


Check my post in the day 1 of the r016 WSC NA and you will see I said the exact same thing. That an Australian and a Norwegian and a bunch of Korean is representing NA is a farce. The NA sc2 scene is almost dead atm.
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 21:13:36
May 26 2013 21:13 GMT
#6968
On May 27 2013 06:12 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:09 ssxsilver wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

Didn't IPL try the region-lock thing for S1 and failed horribly?


And WCS EU had region lock last season and it was a gigantic success!

So was today.

Half of the people in this thread are just upset Stephano lost and are blaming the WCS EU structure for it lol.
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
May 26 2013 21:14 GMT
#6969
On May 27 2013 06:11 bluQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:08 farnham wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:54 Ysellian wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:53 Bagration wrote:
This ongoing debate is basically the SC2 version of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_debate

Free trade vs Protectionism

Feel free to peruse the article for arguments


Great analogy.


Nothing like it.

I'm generally getting really pissed that people actually defend this farce. The world cup in football don't only got German,Spanish,Brazilian and Argentinian teams do they? We actually got countries in Africa representing Africa

And that's why football is the biggest sport in the world

Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport. Even though you are such a low minority but very loud


also in football there is a league system where nobody cares if ronaldo is born in portugal if he plays in madrid or robben is dutch when he plays in muenchen.

Umm, yes they do. At least in germany there is a rule for not having too many foreigenr players on the team. Afaik its 12 player must be german.

Never heard about the Bosman Entscheidung huh

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosman-Entscheidung
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 26 2013 21:14 GMT
#6970
On May 27 2013 06:09 eronica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:07 sitromit wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:05 eronica wrote:
When Stephano won NASL (NORTH AMERICAN star league) nobody said anything. Don't lie to yourself, it's about korean and foreigner. The country/region debate is just an excuse.

Of course, just like nobody is complaining about Snute now, and no one complained when Naniwa won MLG before Koreans started coming to US tournaments.


Snute is good example (not the naniwa case though, MLG is just MLG,nothing seems to be related to region)


It's basically people don't seem to mind when Europeans come over to win tournaments in the USA, but as soon as a Korean does it, and all hell breaks loose
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
May 26 2013 21:14 GMT
#6971
This thread is going nowhere fast.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 26 2013 21:14 GMT
#6972
On May 27 2013 06:13 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:12 Benjamin99 wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:09 ssxsilver wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

Didn't IPL try the region-lock thing for S1 and failed horribly?


And WCS EU had region lock last season and it was a gigantic success!

So was today.

Half of the people in this thread are just upset Stephano lost and are blaming the WCS EU structure for it lol.


No Derez people have said this for so long go check out day 1 of the WCS NA r016 thread
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 21:15:41
May 26 2013 21:14 GMT
#6973
On May 27 2013 06:11 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:10 StarVe wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:09 Fusilero wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:07 Antylamon wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

What?

I never even played BW and I'm fine with Koreans winning

The only people who like Koreans are filthy BW elitists those accursed old men holding esports back for the young generations.

Leave the forums immediately, you dirty casual LoL fan. You're hurting SC2 stream stability.

I heard you like Koreans starve you're holding back the globalisation of esports you fuck.

Nah, man, quite the contrary! I've been boycotting Proleague for a few weeks now but I haven't seen an immediate effect yet, esports doesn't seem to be more globalised in my eyes.

Also, as a sign of solidarity with Whiplash and SNM, I've emailed OGN and their sponsors to fire the Korean casters.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 26 2013 21:14 GMT
#6974
On May 27 2013 06:13 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:12 Benjamin99 wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:09 ssxsilver wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

Didn't IPL try the region-lock thing for S1 and failed horribly?


And WCS EU had region lock last season and it was a gigantic success!

So was today.

Half of the people in this thread are just upset Stephano lost and are blaming the WCS EU structure for it lol.


I mean I can get why they're complaining, Stephano would have beaten any other EU player in a bo7(probably). So in their eyes their hero was cheated out of a championship by having to play against Mvp.

Mvp is not invincible, MMA, Forgg and any other KR players in EU are not even close to invincible, beat them next time.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
May 26 2013 21:14 GMT
#6975
Now that the bitching is dying down, does anyone know if they have released information on WCS AM finals?

Where it will be held, casters and such?
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
May 26 2013 21:14 GMT
#6976
On May 27 2013 06:09 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:07 Antylamon wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

What?

I never even played BW and I'm fine with Koreans winning

The only people who like Koreans are filthy BW elitists those accursed old men holding esports back for the young generations.

Can't tell if serious
GunSec
Profile Joined February 2010
1095 Posts
May 26 2013 21:14 GMT
#6977
On May 27 2013 06:11 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:10 StarVe wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:09 Fusilero wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:07 Antylamon wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

What?

I never even played BW and I'm fine with Koreans winning

The only people who like Koreans are filthy BW elitists those accursed old men holding esports back for the young generations.

Leave the forums immediately, you dirty casual LoL fan. You're hurting SC2 stream stability.

I heard you like Koreans starve you're holding back the globalisation of esports you fuck.


wow you are out of line now, let it out mate let it out
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 26 2013 21:15 GMT
#6978
On May 27 2013 06:09 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:07 Antylamon wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

What?

I never even played BW and I'm fine with Koreans winning

The only people who like Koreans are filthy BW elitists those accursed old men holding esports back for the young generations.


Yes they crush boys dream I say I want game and practice best in world someday but they say no theres no point cus korean play game
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 26 2013 21:15 GMT
#6979
On May 27 2013 06:10 Fischbacher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:03 Zealously wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:02 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:00 Ventris wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:59 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:55 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD....

So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe?

It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe.


Uh, no, it isn't.


It isn't played in Europe?

Please continue, you are most entertaining to read together with that Benjamin guy

Yeah, i could have sworn Cologne was in Europe. Must be something with my eyes.


Woosh. My statement was made concerning the title of WCS EU. It is called the European championship because it's supposed to be the champion of European players. No one cares where the people are when they play- look at WCS AM, the first rounds were played online with people literally playing from Korea.


Actually, it is called WCS EU because it determines the champion of the European region by playing out the Ro16 and forward in Europe. It doesn't have anything to do with who lives where or who is a citizen of what country, the only thing that matters is that the players are in Europe for the live rounds. You might want it to be otherwise, but that's not the case.

So Spain is the Austrian, Swiss, South African, Polish and Ukrainian Football champion because they played all the matches of their Euro / World Cup victories there?

The fact that all the games are played in Europe doesn't imply that it makes any sense to declare the winner European champion. WCS Europe champion, sure, but saying that someone is champion of a certain region implies that the participants are from (or has significant ties) to said region. Spending two weeks in Europe hardly makes you European.

(I don't really have any issues with Koreans taking part in WCS EU or AM - except that I am really sad to see so many players give up GSL / OSL - but saying that the winners of WCS EU or AM are the European or American champion strikes me as somewhat ridiculous)


Here are Blizzard's thoughts on the matter. And differentiating "European champion" and "WCS Europe champion" is a matter of semantics - if you win the European section of the series, you're the champion of the European section of the tournament. You're not a European champion, certainly, but you're the champion of the European tournament. One rolls off the tongue, one doesn't. I think that's all there is to the matter.
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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
May 26 2013 21:15 GMT
#6980
On May 27 2013 06:12 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:10 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:09 eronica wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:07 sitromit wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:05 eronica wrote:
When Stephano won NASL (NORTH AMERICAN star league) nobody said anything. Don't lie to yourself, it's about korean and foreigner. The country/region debate is just an excuse.

Of course, just like nobody is complaining about Snute now, and no one complained when Naniwa won MLG before Koreans started coming to US tournaments.


Snute is good example (not the naniwa case though, MLG is just MLG,nothing seems to be related to region)


Neither of those events purported to be regional championships.

Snute is in ro8 WCS America. Everyone is complaining about the Koreans but not Snute. How is that different from Koreans in WCS EU?


It's equally bad.
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