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[WCS EU] Finals Day 2 Premier Season 1 2013 - Page 165

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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
May 26 2013 17:29 GMT
#3281
wtf i go grab some food and the game is already over?
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
May 26 2013 17:29 GMT
#3282
On May 27 2013 02:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:26 Ph4ZeD wrote:
ForGG demonstrating how he can only win via cheesing against good players.


> TLO cheeses
> Everyone praises him

> ForGG cheeses
> Only gets hatred

smh


Well TLO spouts PC stuff all the time and shows some emotion now and then.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
May 26 2013 17:29 GMT
#3283
I wouldn't mind a triple 8 in the next game. :p
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
May 26 2013 17:29 GMT
#3284
On May 27 2013 02:26 Cinim wrote:
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On May 27 2013 02:25 HonorZ wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:23 Cinim wrote:
Honestly ForGG doesn't even deserve ro8, he just isn't of the same caliber of anyone else in ro8.

He got to the semi finals, only winning TvT just being insanely lucky with draws. I know in the past some people got quite far dodging 1 matchup(Naniwa in GSL dodging zergs).
However, ForGG dodged 2 matchups. The only non TvT so far he played he lost, and only got 1 game narrowly, other two matches he got crushed. I really think they need to make regulations for these things to happen less regularely, because this is just completely silly. ForGG doesn't deserve to be here for just being good in 1 matchup, Lucifron deserves to be in this semifinal by a massive margin.


I disagree. ForGG is a top player from Europe. Of course he would go far... You can't say that based on 1 game.


It's not based on 1 game. It's based on 3 games vs Sase, 3 games vs TLO and these two games he just played vs stephano where he still didn't show the skill level of the rest of top 8 in WCS EU


Forgg is really good at TvT. Just because he's not great against zerg and can't split doesn't mean he's not worthy of getting top 8. Plus the competition level of WCS EU is really low. Just look at Stephano's game 1. Even though he won, he played really subpar.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 26 2013 17:29 GMT
#3285
On May 27 2013 02:28 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:26 Ph4ZeD wrote:
ForGG demonstrating how he can only win via cheesing against good players.


> TLO cheeses
> Everyone praises him

> ForGG cheeses
> Only gets hatred

smh

thats because how often do you see terran cheese a zerg? how often do you see a zerg cheese a terran?


That has to be the stupidest reasoning I've heard for hypocrisy.
Long live the King of Wings
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 26 2013 17:29 GMT
#3286
On May 27 2013 02:27 sitromit wrote:
That wasn't even 11/11, he started his rax at 12.

Yeah, it was 12/13.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10156 Posts
May 26 2013 17:29 GMT
#3287
On May 27 2013 02:28 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:26 Ph4ZeD wrote:
ForGG demonstrating how he can only win via cheesing against good players.


> TLO cheeses
> Everyone praises him

> ForGG cheeses
> Only gets hatred

smh

thats because how often do you see terran cheese a zerg? how often do you see a zerg cheese a terran?



Nowadays ? Zerg cheese terrans all the time. 11/11 is like something from the past.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5225 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 17:30:33
May 26 2013 17:29 GMT
#3288
Stephano will still take this.
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
May 26 2013 17:30 GMT
#3289
On May 27 2013 02:27 saddaromma wrote:
the fact that 2rax is still viable makes me sad. Its a free 1-game win for terran. No skill is needed.


Basic misunderstanding right there. It is viable because zergs keeps on delaying the pool , over , and over , and over , and
+ Show Spoiler +

over, and over , and over, and over , and over, and over , and over , and over , and over , and over , and over again.
Its not too strong, its simply a signal saying : Hatch into POOL ON 15! or die
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 26 2013 17:30 GMT
#3290
On May 27 2013 02:28 Sated wrote:
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On May 27 2013 02:28 Hrrrrm wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:26 TwiStEr wrote:
cant beat the foreigner in a macro game .. better cheese


That's like a Boxer trying to beat a Sumo Wrestler at his own game. You play to your strength even if it's "cheese". If your opponent can't defend it, that's his problem.

I read this as (T)BoxeR against a Sumo Wrestler...


It still applies though
AdministratorBreak the chains
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 17:30:49
May 26 2013 17:30 GMT
#3291
On May 27 2013 02:29 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:26 Ph4ZeD wrote:
ForGG demonstrating how he can only win via cheesing against good players.


> TLO cheeses
> Everyone praises him

> ForGG cheeses
> Only gets hatred

smh

I didn't like TLO cheesing either, but at least he hasn't made his career around it.


Wat.

Timing attacks != cheese, I recommend you go watch Arena 2008 MSL before making claims like fOrGG making his career around cheese.

On May 27 2013 02:29 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:26 Ph4ZeD wrote:
ForGG demonstrating how he can only win via cheesing against good players.


> TLO cheeses
> Everyone praises him

> ForGG cheeses
> Only gets hatred

smh


There is a big difference between a Zerg and Terran cheese, and this is coming from a Protoss player. The 11/11 is the most powerful one base all-in in any matchup. It has a ridiculously high win rate compared to other one base openings. This is why people hate it, it doesn't show skill.


Despite the fact that Zergs haven't died to a 11/11 since pre-queen patch?
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 17:31:14
May 26 2013 17:30 GMT
#3292
On May 27 2013 02:28 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:27 saddaromma wrote:
the fact 2rax is still viable makes me sad. Its a free 1-game win for terran. No skill is needed.

Then why isn't it used more often, I wonder? Perhaps because Zerg has all the tools needed to defend it?

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On May 27 2013 02:27 Undead1993 wrote:
sometimes 2 rax fail so hard and sometime it takes the game, i never see the difference

The differences in execution/defence can be quite subtle, but I can assure you they do exist.

Seemed to me like holding the rines and scvs back down the ramp kind of messed up with stephano. He sent all his drones, to the nat, and sent like 5 drones to kill the scv, but then forgg showed up with his "army" and stephano backed off.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
May 26 2013 17:30 GMT
#3293
2 rax is the most graceful strategy in Starcraft. You could not call yourselft a terran if you haven't done a successful 2rax once in youe life.
Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
May 26 2013 17:30 GMT
#3294
i liked the 2rax =( and i´m even rooting for stephano
invisible tetris level master
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 26 2013 17:30 GMT
#3295
On May 27 2013 02:29 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:26 Ph4ZeD wrote:
ForGG demonstrating how he can only win via cheesing against good players.


> TLO cheeses
> Everyone praises him

> ForGG cheeses
> Only gets hatred

smh

I didn't like TLO cheesing either, but at least he hasn't made his career around it.


Hehe
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 26 2013 17:30 GMT
#3296
On May 27 2013 02:28 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:27 Abominous wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:26 Ph4ZeD wrote:
ForGG demonstrating how he can only win via cheesing against good players.


> TLO cheeses
> Everyone praises him

> ForGG cheeses
> Only gets hatred

smh

Get used to unreasonable TLO bias.

Symbol cheesed because he's an idiot who can't play this game.
TLO cheesed because he's smart and knows that he can't take lucifron in a straight up match.

What


TLO was merely praying to his one true god, Symbol.
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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
May 26 2013 17:30 GMT
#3297
On May 27 2013 02:28 Ippo wrote:
Show nested quote +
@EGStephanoRC: Hahaha. I'm speechless!


hehe

Not being able to hold an 11/11 is funny indeed ;p.
deus.machinarum
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria658 Posts
May 26 2013 17:30 GMT
#3298
On May 27 2013 02:27 Undead1993 wrote:
sometimes 2 rax fail so hard and sometime it takes the game, i never see the difference

Well, in both cases it's boring as hell to watch...

I actually like aggressive gameplans but oh well.....2 rax is 2 rax is 2 rax
Nothing worth having comes easy.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
May 26 2013 17:30 GMT
#3299
On May 27 2013 02:28 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:26 Ph4ZeD wrote:
ForGG demonstrating how he can only win via cheesing against good players.


> TLO cheeses
> Everyone praises him

> ForGG cheeses
> Only gets hatred

smh

thats because how often do you see terran cheese a zerg? how often do you see a zerg cheese a terran?

the same with protoss cheesing zerg unless its like a cannon rush I never see that, but a 2 base all in I would say the same thing.



My head hurts
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
May 26 2013 17:30 GMT
#3300
On May 27 2013 02:30 Chr15t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:27 saddaromma wrote:
the fact that 2rax is still viable makes me sad. Its a free 1-game win for terran. No skill is needed.


Basic misunderstanding right there. It is viable because zergs keeps on delaying the pool , over , and over , and over , and
+ Show Spoiler +

over, and over , and over, and over , and over, and over , and over , and over , and over , and over , and over again.
Its not too strong, its simply a signal saying : Hatch into POOL ON 15! or die


Dr. Cox, is that you?
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
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