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On May 22 2013 10:07 iSunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 09:57 SCST wrote:On May 22 2013 09:46 Doodsmack wrote:
Having watched the season progress as far as it has, it's really clear to me that WCS AM and EU need to be region locked. Having this random group of Koreans playing...if they're that good, they should just be playing in Korea, to try to be the best. It's basically meaningless to be the winner among the random group of Koreans that joined WCS AM. And to have a translator for the post-game interview because this guy can't even speak English even though WCS is split into different regions...lol it's pretty fucking retarded. Blizzard badly needs to make the next WCS season region-locked. Agreed, but I fear the vocal minority of foreigners that seem obsessed with getting Koreans in all of the WCS "regions" are going to validate Blizzards excuse of "we just want the best players, regardless of region" . . . which is of course nonsense that they used to cover up their lack of planning and foresight. Blizzard originally wanted a region lock, which is obvious, but now their egos are at stake and I fear they might just stick with the WCS Korea and WCS Korea 2 (America) forever. Especially if people keep posting nonsense defending the Korean's participation in the other regions as "I just wanna see the best games", without considering that it's literally destroying Starcraft's potential for strong American viewership. IMHO this should never be about race, but their long-time living location. Blizzard needs to be very sensitive about this. And even if I might get some flank on this, Nestea playing for the US is not something I would like to see. If he cannot compete in Korea anymore, he needs to improve his game and not play for other regions.
Not sure where you got the idea it was about race. By Korean I'm sure everyone is meaning nationality. I agree that residency is the ticket to fixing this.
For example: any resident of a region can participate in said region. Blizzard claims the legalities of proving residency are "too difficult", but that to me is absolute rubbish. As an immigrant myself, it's clear that to be a "resident" of a country you should have some form of ID that proves you are a resident. I mean first off, who on earth would be a resident in a country and not have basic, portable identification to prove it? Second, if for some odd reason a person is actually "unable to prove residency" in their region, then the responsibility lies on said person to obtain the ID. Am I missing something here?
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On May 22 2013 10:15 corpsepose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 10:13 FabledIntegral wrote:
This is one of the first times I've heard TotalBiscuit cast and I must say it's absolutely awful. He clearly does not have a good understanding of the game. Things he mentioned were just making me absolutely cringe. Telling STC to "go home" when he was in the bunker, going batshit insane about a fast tech to colossi on 1gate after a 1base star --> expand build when that's one of the most likely, if not the most likely, followup, a complete lack of understanding about why the players were doing certain actions, etc. I'm rarely this critical, but ughh yeah, he's always been very play by play oriented, lacks knowledge about the subtler aspects of sc2 etc. so while pairing him with axeltoss is quite entertaining the analysis is very lacking
I take all my analysis from TL LR which is why I am always wrong - TotalBiscuit
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On May 22 2013 10:16 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 10:15 AgentW wrote:On May 22 2013 10:14 Dodgin wrote: Crank about to win the group, Canadian sweep for 1st places so far if he does. Hey, stop claiming all the winners! Don't you know you have to share with us? It was on the first page of the thread, not like I just decided right now ;o
Damn, I guess we just have been getting unlucky then 
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On May 22 2013 10:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00  TheStC spawns in the top left  CranK spawns in the bottom right
1:40
rax first for TheStC
gateway first for CranK
gas for TheStC
2:00
gas for CranK
quick probe scout from CranK sees rax and gas
reaper started for TheStC
Cybernetics core for CranK
3:00
2nd gas for CranK
zealot for CranK
ebay block in the natural of CranK
mothership core for CranK
reactor for TheStC
4:00
reaper jumps into the main of CranK and gets a full scout
mothership core chases the reaper away
Factory for TheStC
CC on the high ground for TheStC
ebay finally canceled in the natural of CranK
Nexus for CranK
5:00
Robo for CranK
bunker in the main for TheStC by his main CC
widow mine started for TheStC
Starport for TheStC
Bunker salvaged
double forge for CranK
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On May 22 2013 10:17 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 10:15 corpsepose wrote:On May 22 2013 10:13 FabledIntegral wrote:
This is one of the first times I've heard TotalBiscuit cast and I must say it's absolutely awful. He clearly does not have a good understanding of the game. Things he mentioned were just making me absolutely cringe. Telling STC to "go home" when he was in the bunker, going batshit insane about a fast tech to colossi on 1gate after a 1base star --> expand build when that's one of the most likely, if not the most likely, followup, a complete lack of understanding about why the players were doing certain actions, etc. I'm rarely this critical, but ughh yeah, he's always been very play by play oriented, lacks knowledge about the subtler aspects of sc2 etc. so while pairing him with axeltoss is quite entertaining the analysis is very lacking I take all my analysis from TL LR which is why I am always wrong - TotalBiscuit
But..but we are always right.
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On May 22 2013 10:16 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 10:07 iSunrise wrote:On May 22 2013 09:57 SCST wrote:On May 22 2013 09:46 Doodsmack wrote:
Having watched the season progress as far as it has, it's really clear to me that WCS AM and EU need to be region locked. Having this random group of Koreans playing...if they're that good, they should just be playing in Korea, to try to be the best. It's basically meaningless to be the winner among the random group of Koreans that joined WCS AM. And to have a translator for the post-game interview because this guy can't even speak English even though WCS is split into different regions...lol it's pretty fucking retarded. Blizzard badly needs to make the next WCS season region-locked. Agreed, but I fear the vocal minority of foreigners that seem obsessed with getting Koreans in all of the WCS "regions" are going to validate Blizzards excuse of "we just want the best players, regardless of region" . . . which is of course nonsense that they used to cover up their lack of planning and foresight. Blizzard originally wanted a region lock, which is obvious, but now their egos are at stake and I fear they might just stick with the WCS Korea and WCS Korea 2 (America) forever. Especially if people keep posting nonsense defending the Korean's participation in the other regions as "I just wanna see the best games", without considering that it's literally destroying Starcraft's potential for strong American viewership. IMHO this should never be about race, but their long-time living location. Blizzard needs to be very sensitive about this. And even if I might get some flank on this, Nestea playing for the US is not something I would like to see. If he cannot compete in Korea anymore, he needs to improve his game and not play for other regions. Not sure where you got the idea it was about race. By Korean I'm sure everyone is meaning nationality. I agree that residency is the ticket to fixing this. For example: any resident of a region can participate in said region. Blizzard claims the legalities of proving residency are "too difficult", but that to me is absolute rubbish. As an immigrant myself, it's clear that to be a "resident" of a country you should have some form of ID that proves you are a resident. I mean first off, who on earth would be a resident in a country and not have basic, portable identification to prove it? Second, if for some odd reason a person is actually "unable to prove residency" in their region, then the responsibility lies on said person to obtain the ID. Am I missing something here?
Isnt there a problem with visa issues tho?
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On May 22 2013 10:18 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 10:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00 TheStC spawns in the top left CranK spawns in the bottom right 1:40 rax first for TheStC gateway first for CranK gas for TheStC 2:00 gas for CranK quick probe scout from CranK sees rax and gas reaper started for TheStC Cybernetics core for CranK 3:00 2nd gas for CranK zealot for CranK ebay block in the natural of CranK mothership core for CranK reactor for TheStC 4:00 reaper jumps into the main of CranK and gets a full scout mothership core chases the reaper away Factory for TheStC CC on the high ground for TheStC ebay finally canceled in the natural of CranK Nexus for CranK 5:00 Robo for CranK bunker in the main for TheStC by his main CC widow mine started for TheStC Starport for TheStC Bunker salvaged double forge for CranK
6:00
double hellion production for TheStC
medivac for TheStC
1-1 started for CranK
7:00
reaper jumps into the main again
2 more rax for TheStC
cannons in the mineral lines of CranK
2nd gas for TheStC
TheStC takes his natural
stim research started for TheStC
marine widow mine push into the natural of CranK
4 hellion drop in the main of CranK
8:00
photon overcharge on the natural nexus
stalkers chase the medivac away
marines and widow mine move into the main
CranK cleans everything up and only lost 3 workers
Twilight council for CranK
warp prism for Crank
2 more gates for CranK
9:00
Marauder production started for TheSTC
hellion drop in the natural of CranK kills 7 more probes
double ebay for TheStC
2-2 started for CranK
3rd CC on the way for TheStC
charge research started for CranK
10:00
observer in TheStC's natural sees him load up 2 medivacs
1-1 started for TheStC
5 more gates for CranK
drop in the natural of CranK is repelled by photon overcharge
combat shields for TheStC
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wow, a protoss who actually targets medivacs with photon overchage. How about that.
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wow Crank is all over the map taking out the medivacs
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On May 22 2013 10:21 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 10:18 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 22 2013 10:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00 TheStC spawns in the top left CranK spawns in the bottom right 1:40 rax first for TheStC gateway first for CranK gas for TheStC 2:00 gas for CranK quick probe scout from CranK sees rax and gas reaper started for TheStC Cybernetics core for CranK 3:00 2nd gas for CranK zealot for CranK ebay block in the natural of CranK mothership core for CranK reactor for TheStC 4:00 reaper jumps into the main of CranK and gets a full scout mothership core chases the reaper away Factory for TheStC CC on the high ground for TheStC ebay finally canceled in the natural of CranK Nexus for CranK 5:00 Robo for CranK bunker in the main for TheStC by his main CC widow mine started for TheStC Starport for TheStC Bunker salvaged double forge for CranK 6:00 double hellion production for TheStC medivac for TheStC 1-1 started for CranK 7:00 reaper jumps into the main again 2 more rax for TheStC cannons in the mineral lines of CranK 2nd gas for TheStC TheStC takes his natural stim research started for TheStC marine widow mine push into the natural of CranK 4 hellion drop in the main of CranK 8:00 photon overcharge on the natural nexus stalkers chase the medivac away marines and widow mine move into the main CranK cleans everything up and only lost 3 workers Twilight council for CranK warp prism for Crank 2 more gates for CranK 9:00 Marauder production started for TheSTC hellion drop in the natural of CranK kills 7 more probes double ebay for TheStC 2-2 started for CranK 3rd CC on the way for TheStC charge research started for CranK 10:00 observer in TheStC's natural sees him load up 2 medivacs 1-1 started for TheStC 5 more gates for CranK drop in the natural of CranK is repelled by photon overcharge combat shields for TheStC
11:00
Templar archives for CranK
TheStC scouts the warp prism with a full medivac
TheStC drops his marines and kills the warp prism
antoher warp prism started for CranK
armory for theStC
TheStC lands his 3rd base
12:00
ghost academy for TheStC
3rd base started for CranK
concussive shells for TheStC
Storm research started for CranK
bunker in the natural for TheStC
TheStC walling off his natural
13:00
full medivac flies over crank's army and dies
2-2 started for TheStC
another bunker for TheStC
ghost production started for TheStC
14:00
hellbats started for TheStC
another medivac picked off
CranK 10 supply ahead
Robo bay for CranK
2nd robo for CranK
immortal started for CranK
15:00
drop in the natural of CranK
photon overcharge on the natural nexus forces it away
warp prism full of zealots drops in the main of TheStC
warp prism is killed off
zealots are cleaned up after a few scv kills
double Colossus production started for CranK
double viking production started for TheStC
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both play bad but and 1 is winning wcs am ro16 group^^
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Crank is really playing well.
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On May 22 2013 10:16 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 10:07 iSunrise wrote:On May 22 2013 09:57 SCST wrote:On May 22 2013 09:46 Doodsmack wrote:
Having watched the season progress as far as it has, it's really clear to me that WCS AM and EU need to be region locked. Having this random group of Koreans playing...if they're that good, they should just be playing in Korea, to try to be the best. It's basically meaningless to be the winner among the random group of Koreans that joined WCS AM. And to have a translator for the post-game interview because this guy can't even speak English even though WCS is split into different regions...lol it's pretty fucking retarded. Blizzard badly needs to make the next WCS season region-locked. Agreed, but I fear the vocal minority of foreigners that seem obsessed with getting Koreans in all of the WCS "regions" are going to validate Blizzards excuse of "we just want the best players, regardless of region" . . . which is of course nonsense that they used to cover up their lack of planning and foresight. Blizzard originally wanted a region lock, which is obvious, but now their egos are at stake and I fear they might just stick with the WCS Korea and WCS Korea 2 (America) forever. Especially if people keep posting nonsense defending the Korean's participation in the other regions as "I just wanna see the best games", without considering that it's literally destroying Starcraft's potential for strong American viewership. IMHO this should never be about race, but their long-time living location. Blizzard needs to be very sensitive about this. And even if I might get some flank on this, Nestea playing for the US is not something I would like to see. If he cannot compete in Korea anymore, he needs to improve his game and not play for other regions. Not sure where you got the idea it was about race. By Korean I'm sure everyone is meaning nationality. I agree that residency is the ticket to fixing this. For example: any resident of a region can participate in said region. Blizzard claims the legalities of proving residency are "too difficult", but that to me is absolute rubbish. As an immigrant myself, it's clear that to be a "resident" of a country you should have some form of ID that proves you are a resident. I mean first off, who on earth would be a resident in a country and not have basic, portable identification to prove it? Second, if for some odd reason a person is actually "unable to prove residency" in their region, then the responsibility lies on said person to obtain the ID. Am I missing something here?
The racial comment actually wasn't directed at you, I just mentioned that, so that no one would get the wrong idea when I commented on the situation in general.
I agree with everything you just said. There is one rare case, like MC, who plays in the EU, but if I'm not completely mistaken, he's still a korean resident (ID)?
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On May 22 2013 10:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 10:21 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 22 2013 10:18 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 22 2013 10:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00 TheStC spawns in the top left CranK spawns in the bottom right 1:40 rax first for TheStC gateway first for CranK gas for TheStC 2:00 gas for CranK quick probe scout from CranK sees rax and gas reaper started for TheStC Cybernetics core for CranK 3:00 2nd gas for CranK zealot for CranK ebay block in the natural of CranK mothership core for CranK reactor for TheStC 4:00 reaper jumps into the main of CranK and gets a full scout mothership core chases the reaper away Factory for TheStC CC on the high ground for TheStC ebay finally canceled in the natural of CranK Nexus for CranK 5:00 Robo for CranK bunker in the main for TheStC by his main CC widow mine started for TheStC Starport for TheStC Bunker salvaged double forge for CranK 6:00 double hellion production for TheStC medivac for TheStC 1-1 started for CranK 7:00 reaper jumps into the main again 2 more rax for TheStC cannons in the mineral lines of CranK 2nd gas for TheStC TheStC takes his natural stim research started for TheStC marine widow mine push into the natural of CranK 4 hellion drop in the main of CranK 8:00 photon overcharge on the natural nexus stalkers chase the medivac away marines and widow mine move into the main CranK cleans everything up and only lost 3 workers Twilight council for CranK warp prism for Crank 2 more gates for CranK 9:00 Marauder production started for TheSTC hellion drop in the natural of CranK kills 7 more probes double ebay for TheStC 2-2 started for CranK 3rd CC on the way for TheStC charge research started for CranK 10:00 observer in TheStC's natural sees him load up 2 medivacs 1-1 started for TheStC 5 more gates for CranK drop in the natural of CranK is repelled by photon overcharge combat shields for TheStC 11:00 Templar archives for CranK TheStC scouts the warp prism with a full medivac TheStC drops his marines and kills the warp prism antoher warp prism started for CranK armory for theStC TheStC lands his 3rd base 12:00 ghost academy for TheStC 3rd base started for CranK concussive shells for TheStC Storm research started for CranK bunker in the natural for TheStC TheStC walling off his natural 13:00 full medivac flies over crank's army and dies 2-2 started for TheStC another bunker for TheStC ghost production started for TheStC 14:00 hellbats started for TheStC another medivac picked off CranK 10 supply ahead Robo bay for CranK 2nd robo for CranK immortal started for CranK 15:00 drop in the natural of CranK photon overcharge on the natural nexus forces it away warp prism full of zealots drops in the main of TheStC warp prism is killed off zealots are cleaned up after a few scv kills double Colossus production started for CranK double viking production started for TheStC
16:00
Extended thermal lance research started for CranK
Ghost cloak started for TheStC
small engagement in the middle of the map
storm hits part of the Terran army and emps miss the protoss
17:00
TheStC breaking down the rocks to the 3rd off CranK
photon overcharge on the 3rd nexus
emp hits the army of CranK
2 colossi are taken out
CranK gets a storm off
more HTs come in and storm and TheStC is forced back again
18:00
+1 ship weapons for TheStC
3-3 started for TheStC
2nd starport for TheStC
4th base started for CranK
4th base finished for TheStC
19:00
+3 armor started for CranK
warp prism for CranK
hellbat drop at the 3rd of CranK
20:00
hellbats are cleaned up
storm hits a small force of units of TheStC
moebius reactor for TheStC
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at this point as terran u can just pray the protoss does not warpprism zealot dt
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On May 22 2013 10:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 10:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 22 2013 10:21 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 22 2013 10:18 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 22 2013 10:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00 TheStC spawns in the top left CranK spawns in the bottom right 1:40 rax first for TheStC gateway first for CranK gas for TheStC 2:00 gas for CranK quick probe scout from CranK sees rax and gas reaper started for TheStC Cybernetics core for CranK 3:00 2nd gas for CranK zealot for CranK ebay block in the natural of CranK mothership core for CranK reactor for TheStC 4:00 reaper jumps into the main of CranK and gets a full scout mothership core chases the reaper away Factory for TheStC CC on the high ground for TheStC ebay finally canceled in the natural of CranK Nexus for CranK 5:00 Robo for CranK bunker in the main for TheStC by his main CC widow mine started for TheStC Starport for TheStC Bunker salvaged double forge for CranK 6:00 double hellion production for TheStC medivac for TheStC 1-1 started for CranK 7:00 reaper jumps into the main again 2 more rax for TheStC cannons in the mineral lines of CranK 2nd gas for TheStC TheStC takes his natural stim research started for TheStC marine widow mine push into the natural of CranK 4 hellion drop in the main of CranK 8:00 photon overcharge on the natural nexus stalkers chase the medivac away marines and widow mine move into the main CranK cleans everything up and only lost 3 workers Twilight council for CranK warp prism for Crank 2 more gates for CranK 9:00 Marauder production started for TheSTC hellion drop in the natural of CranK kills 7 more probes double ebay for TheStC 2-2 started for CranK 3rd CC on the way for TheStC charge research started for CranK 10:00 observer in TheStC's natural sees him load up 2 medivacs 1-1 started for TheStC 5 more gates for CranK drop in the natural of CranK is repelled by photon overcharge combat shields for TheStC 11:00 Templar archives for CranK TheStC scouts the warp prism with a full medivac TheStC drops his marines and kills the warp prism antoher warp prism started for CranK armory for theStC TheStC lands his 3rd base 12:00 ghost academy for TheStC 3rd base started for CranK concussive shells for TheStC Storm research started for CranK bunker in the natural for TheStC TheStC walling off his natural 13:00 full medivac flies over crank's army and dies 2-2 started for TheStC another bunker for TheStC ghost production started for TheStC 14:00 hellbats started for TheStC another medivac picked off CranK 10 supply ahead Robo bay for CranK 2nd robo for CranK immortal started for CranK 15:00 drop in the natural of CranK photon overcharge on the natural nexus forces it away warp prism full of zealots drops in the main of TheStC warp prism is killed off zealots are cleaned up after a few scv kills double Colossus production started for CranK double viking production started for TheStC 16:00 Extended thermal lance research started for CranK Ghost cloak started for TheStC small engagement in the middle of the map storm hits part of the Terran army and emps miss the protoss 17:00 TheStC breaking down the rocks to the 3rd off CranK photon overcharge on the 3rd nexus emp hits the army of CranK 2 colossi are taken out CranK gets a storm off more HTs come in and storm and TheStC is forced back again 18:00 +1 ship weapons for TheStC 3-3 started for TheStC 2nd starport for TheStC 4th base started for CranK 4th base finished for TheStC 19:00 +3 armor started for CranK warp prism for CranK hellbat drop at the 3rd of CranK 20:00 hellbats are cleaned up storm hits a small force of units of TheStC moebius reactor for TheStC
21:00
+3 attack started for CranK
3 more gates for CranK
2 more rax for TheStC
another CC for TheStC
22:00
hellbat drop at the 3rd of CranK
photon overcharge on the 3rd nexus
warp prism warps in 6 zealots in the main of TheStC and kill the armory right away
Dark shrine for CranK
vikings kill the warp prism
hellbats clean up the zealots in the main
23:00
+1 plasma shields for CranK
Blink research started for CranK
2 more CCs for TheStC
7 colossi out for CranK
both players are maxed
HT on the high ground kills 3 ghosts with feedback
warp prism speed for CranK
24:00
cloaked ghosts move in and EMP everything CranK's army
vikings start slaughtering the colossi
bio of TheStC starts to push into the natural but storms zeone him away
zealots breaking down the rocks to TheStC's 4th
TheStC pushes into the 3rd of CranK and kills the nexus
TheStc has only 1 medivac left and his whole army is injured
TheStc backs off after killing the neuxs
25:00
TheStc taking a 5th base
observer sped for CranK
3rd base restarted for Crank
PF morphing at TheStC's 5th
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CranK going full Parting.
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Crank, the Lord of Storms :O
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