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DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
May 17 2013 16:39 GMT
#281
It feels like swarm hosts turns the game in a TBS instead of an RTS.
Avicularia
Profile Joined February 2012
540 Posts
May 17 2013 16:39 GMT
#282
On May 18 2013 01:37 Kevan wrote:
Short list of HotS units I don't like:

-Hellbat
-Swarm Host

OMG you really like mines!
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
May 17 2013 16:39 GMT
#283
On May 18 2013 01:35 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 01:33 Doublemint wrote:
On May 18 2013 01:32 Qikz wrote:
Please go carriers, tempests do not kill corrupters.


This is a doomed endeavor as the air of stephano will be heavily upgraded already...


Carriers are still better than tempests in this situation.

Oh god it makes me so angry.


True dat... yet still not effective :-/

I am wondering whether Locusts will get nerfed at some point. I faced this as well a couple of times on the ladder and most of the time it ended similarly. Attack upgrade 3 gives Locusts 15 damage vs all - a stalker(125/50) is 12/16 vs armored^^
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
jammedk
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark315 Posts
May 17 2013 16:39 GMT
#284
So after a couple of months of HOTS, and finally a single turtle zerg swam host game - OMG IT'S WOL BL/INF AGAIN ?!?!?! - Swamhosts are broken and boring?!?! - Credit this game to Feasts inaptitude, not the meta.
DoubleB
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany870 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 16:41:20
May 17 2013 16:39 GMT
#285
On May 18 2013 01:36 garbanzo wrote:
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On May 18 2013 01:35 DoubleB wrote:
So if everyone agrees air would be a good decision, why do progamer never get those 200/200 air deathball up asap?

Because they would end up getting killed by the swarm hosts as opposed to starving to death.

Lets have a mindgame: you go for the standard Zlot, Stalker, Collosus + HT style. After your push (which destroyed a bit but couldn't kill the zerg) you are in a splitmap decision on 4bases. Why you just dont go for the 3-4stargates and get some Carriers mixed in? Like every 3stalker/zlot who dies could start a carrier. After you've got like 5-6carriers//2-3colossi//1-2HTs (for feedbacks) + some minor shit like stalkers you push out and crush those spines+SHs

I mean yea it sounds easy and I know it isn't, but it is still a better plan than to stay there and starve to death !
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3399 Posts
May 17 2013 16:39 GMT
#286
Will make zergs aggressive they said.
Sieges are exciting they said.
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
May 17 2013 16:39 GMT
#287
On May 18 2013 01:37 Otolia wrote:
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On May 18 2013 01:35 Zheryn wrote:
It's pathetic that this Feast guy is in Premier league. He's dealing with swarm hosts almost as bad as the random protoss players I meet in master league.

Maybe you should try to qualify. Perhaps you'll get lucky.


Well, it's not perticularly hard to win vs protoss players who keep making stalkers and collossus vs a zerg deathball tbh, I'd probably have a fair chance.
hundred thousand krouner
[OGN]Remmy
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1206 Posts
May 17 2013 16:39 GMT
#288
If only Stephano hadn't made that decision to retire.
指原莉乃 應援
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
May 17 2013 16:39 GMT
#289
C'mon Feast gogo! and this time go easy on the stargates man :/
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 16:40:27
May 17 2013 16:39 GMT
#290
On May 18 2013 01:38 Melliflue wrote:
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On May 18 2013 01:36 Insoleet wrote:
On May 18 2013 01:34 Melliflue wrote:
On May 18 2013 01:33 Insoleet wrote:
Its not SH being broken at all. It's just Feast playing terribly bad

I think he has got the tunnel vision syndrome since Stephano started turtling...

Turtling with Swarmhost is bad. Good protoss know how to break it. Watch parting games for reference.

Not everybody has Parting's god-like micro to pull off such attacks :p


Feast totally has the necesssary micro to deal with it.

He just keeps warping in stalkers and colossus without transitionning to voidrays/colossi/carriers. Stupid...

But Stephano had a lot of corrupters out, and they were upgraded. I thought corruptors rip through carriers so it means the Protoss needs to build up a significant number of void-rays whilst locusts are continually attacking the Protoss bases.



Voidrays totally rape corruptors. Everybody knows it since the beginning of HOTS.

Colossi/vrays with carriers for huge DPS on support units totally destroy this stupid comp.

Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
May 17 2013 16:39 GMT
#291
With the exception of Proleague, it seems like Protoss are being shot down in almost every competition out there.
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
May 17 2013 16:39 GMT
#292
On May 18 2013 01:39 Avicularia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 01:37 Kevan wrote:
Short list of HotS units I don't like:

-Hellbat
-Swarm Host

OMG you really like mines!


It is a lesser evil
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
May 17 2013 16:40 GMT
#293
Guys, you can really only blame it because of the map and Feasts bad unit composition. Swarm Hosts are strong units when used correctly, but this really wasn't indicator of imbalanced thing... Feast just didn't do anything, really.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
May 17 2013 16:40 GMT
#294
On May 18 2013 01:39 Zheryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 01:37 Otolia wrote:
On May 18 2013 01:35 Zheryn wrote:
It's pathetic that this Feast guy is in Premier league. He's dealing with swarm hosts almost as bad as the random protoss players I meet in master league.

Maybe you should try to qualify. Perhaps you'll get lucky.


Well, it's not perticularly hard to win vs protoss players who keep making stalkers and collossus vs a zerg deathball tbh, I'd probably have a fair chance.


Unless you face someone who has exceptional micro like Parting. :p
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
May 17 2013 16:40 GMT
#295
On May 18 2013 01:39 garbanzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 01:37 AgentW wrote:
On May 18 2013 01:36 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Didn't seem like Feast had the slightest good idea how to play against that composition. Not saying that it's easy but whatever he did there with his mass Stalkers and Collossi was bound to fail.

Do you have any suggestions? Honestly asking, as I haven't a clue how I would fight that once it's up.

I really think he could have killed Stephano after he killed the third base. Once he left that position then Stephano had a stranglehold on all avenues in the map. Feast could have even reinforced his army with the warp prism that he had in the main.

I suppose that pushing all in off of three bases and constantly reinforcing that attack would have worked, but I don't think there's a way to win if you split the map and your warp prism attack don't work. Continuing that attack is almost definitely the best idea, I think.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
May 17 2013 16:40 GMT
#296
On May 18 2013 01:39 garbanzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 01:37 AgentW wrote:
On May 18 2013 01:36 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Didn't seem like Feast had the slightest good idea how to play against that composition. Not saying that it's easy but whatever he did there with his mass Stalkers and Collossi was bound to fail.

Do you have any suggestions? Honestly asking, as I haven't a clue how I would fight that once it's up.

I really think he could have killed Stephano after he killed the third base. Once he left that position then Stephano had a stranglehold on all avenues in the map. Feast could have even reinforced his army with the warp prism that he had in the main.

Regarding unit composition counter the protoss could had transitioned into phoneix/voidray since they counter swarm/corruptors, Stephano had to transition into hydras/mutas to actually combat that.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10163 Posts
May 17 2013 16:40 GMT
#297
On May 18 2013 01:39 Insoleet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 01:38 Melliflue wrote:
On May 18 2013 01:36 Insoleet wrote:
On May 18 2013 01:34 Melliflue wrote:
On May 18 2013 01:33 Insoleet wrote:
Its not SH being broken at all. It's just Feast playing terribly bad

I think he has got the tunnel vision syndrome since Stephano started turtling...

Turtling with Swarmhost is bad. Good protoss know how to break it. Watch parting games for reference.

Not everybody has Parting's god-like micro to pull off such attacks :p


Feast totally has the necesssary micro to deal with it.

He just keeps warping in stalkers and colossus without transitionning to voidrays/colossi/carriers. Stupid...

But Stephano had a lot of corrupters out, and they were upgraded. I thought corruptors rip through carriers so it means the Protoss needs to build up a significant number of void-rays whilst locusts are continually attacking the Protoss bases.



Voidrays totally rape corruptors. Everybody knows it since the beginning of HOTS.

Colossi/vrays with carriers for huge DPS on support units totally destroy this stupid comp.



And that's why zergs slow push with spores, vipers and corruptors aswell.
[OGN]Remmy
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1206 Posts
May 17 2013 16:41 GMT
#298
They are talking in so much fun.
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
May 17 2013 16:41 GMT
#299
On May 18 2013 01:39 Kommander wrote:
With the exception of Proleague, it seems like Protoss are being shot down in almost every competition out there.


It's always October in Proleague
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 17 2013 16:41 GMT
#300
Remember a few weeks ago when people kept talking about how useless swarm hosts were and people would say things like "I've never even seen a pro win with swarm hosts"
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