On May 17 2013 10:29 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: ZUBUUUUUU!
I don't see Symbol playing either, but I still think Azubu edges AA out in the end 4-3
Actually I'm not sure he really cares, he just don't want to show too much ZvT, and he can always do a build that he already did in GSL and seems to have a good winrate (hi roachbanes ). He could even use it to mindgame Innovation
I forgot I had Symbol on my main team. I guess I would like for him to come out and do some damage tonight. AZUBU favoring BBoongBBoong a lot recently over viOLet. I wonder what that's about? I guess B4 performing better in practice?
spoilers are completely up to the individual.. if you really dont want to know before u watch the vod staying off tl and twitter and facebook are just common sense.
On May 18 2013 13:27 Dodgin wrote: It's a good thing for Axiom-Acer that It's bo7 now, if Scarlett and MMA were both overseas for WCS they wouldn't have enough players for a match.
On May 18 2013 13:27 Dodgin wrote: It's a good thing for Axiom-Acer that It's bo7 now, if Scarlett and MMA were both overseas for WCS they wouldn't have enough players for a match.
Well if the match was next week then 4 of their players would be in New York for WCS AM
On May 18 2013 13:28 Dodgin wrote: Apparently Miya's retirement honor is ruined, Thisisgame is killing esports.
Ethan did his job. He shouldn't be ashamed cause tb/genna are butthurt cause they're too slow to announce. They're the ones that didn't back miya in the first place and played a part in miya's retirement.
On May 18 2013 13:28 Dodgin wrote: Apparently Miya's retirement honor is ruined, Thisisgame is killing esports.
Ethan did his job. He shouldn't be ashamed cause tb/genna are butthurt cause they're too slow to announce. They're the ones that didn't back miya in the first place and played a part in miya's retirement.
Even ignoring that, I'm not sure that Miya's retirement is some kind of big news that you want to hide. It's not the same as picking up a player at all.
On May 18 2013 13:28 Dodgin wrote: Apparently Miya's retirement honor is ruined, Thisisgame is killing esports.
Ethan did his job. He shouldn't be ashamed cause tb/genna are butthurt cause they're too slow to announce. They're the ones that didn't back miya in the first place and played a part in miya's retirement.
this is how drama starts, when people start assuming things
On May 18 2013 13:28 Dodgin wrote: Apparently Miya's retirement honor is ruined, Thisisgame is killing esports.
Ethan did his job. He shouldn't be ashamed cause tb/genna are butthurt cause they're too slow to announce. They're the ones that didn't back miya in the first place and played a part in miya's retirement.
Chucklehead is more like it. Doesn't have a clue about the situation and yet feels like he has the right to comment anyway. This community would be a lot better without you.
On May 18 2013 13:28 Dodgin wrote: Apparently Miya's retirement honor is ruined, Thisisgame is killing esports.
Ethan did his job. He shouldn't be ashamed cause tb/genna are butthurt cause they're too slow to announce. They're the ones that didn't back miya in the first place and played a part in miya's retirement.
Chucklehead is more like it. Doesn't have a clue about the situation and yet feels like he has the right to comment anyway. This community would be a lot better without you.
Aww I'd be offended if I didn't know your first defense mechanism is always to insult first in cases you don't agree with someone. Don't be mad because you threw your player under the bus at MLG. I felt the team always should fight for their own players, something axiom doesn't agree with. So you not only got that wrong, but his retirement announcement wrong too.
Sad to hear about Miya. He's was one of those Slayers B-teamers (along with Crank, Golden and Sleep) that I always heard about and hoped would become the next badass gosu.
On May 18 2013 13:39 Dodgin wrote: Judah @Ethan_Ahn 1m
I can not be the team's plans for Crank, I'm sorry if Axiom plan Coated damage.
I think he's trying to say Crank coated Miya in paint and called him a cancer to the team?
I think he's saying that he wasn't aware that Axiom had plans for Miya's retirement and is sorry for any trouble he caused.
Unless it's an exceptional case, someone really really popular/famous, Koreans don't seem to think much of player retirements. It's extremely minor news to them and so he didn't expect it to be a remotely big deal at all. I guess it's also why it's really difficult to figure out things like if players are still on teams or have retired when we haven't seen them for a while.
On May 18 2013 13:41 Canucklehead wrote: Aww I'd be offended if I didn't know your first defense mechanism is always to insult first in cases you don't agree with someone. Don't be mad because you threw your player under the bus at MLG. I felt the team always should fight for their own players, something axiom doesn't agree with. So you not only got that wrong, but his retirement announcement wrong too.
All I see is a bunch of ignorant noise from a toxic community member.
On May 18 2013 13:39 Dodgin wrote: Judah @Ethan_Ahn 1m
I can not be the team's plans for Crank, I'm sorry if Axiom plan Coated damage.
I think he's trying to say Crank coated Miya in paint and called him a cancer to the team?
I think he's saying that he wasn't aware that Axiom had plans for Miya's retirement and is sorry for any trouble he caused.
Unless it's an exceptional case, someone really really popular/famous, Koreans don't seem to think much of player retirements. It's extremely minor news to them and so he didn't expect it to be a remotely big deal at all. Which is also why it's really difficult to figure out things like if players are still on teams or have retired when we haven't seen them for a while.
I can see why he would think It's not a big deal, seeing as Miya isn't a big name legendary player or anything, It's just minor news like you said.
The biggest news to come out of this will be " MLG made Miya retire " drama posts
On May 18 2013 13:28 Dodgin wrote: Apparently Miya's retirement honor is ruined, Thisisgame is killing esports.
Ethan did his job. He shouldn't be ashamed cause tb/genna are butthurt cause they're too slow to announce. They're the ones that didn't back miya in the first place and played a part in miya's retirement.
Chucklehead is more like it. Doesn't have a clue about the situation and yet feels like he has the right to comment anyway. This community would be a lot better without you.
Aww I'd be offended if I didn't know your first defense mechanism is always to insult first in cases you don't agree with someone. Don't be mad because you threw your player under the bus at MLG. I felt the team always should fight for their own players, something axiom doesn't agree with. So you not only got that wrong, but his retirement announcement wrong too.
Genna took the decision she did because she didn't want to fuck over the bracket. It wasn't an easy decision, but to put the blame on Axiom when it was MLG's admins who fucked up is silly.
I'm assuming there was supposed to be some kind of embargo in place, otherwise I would hope TB wouldn't expect the media not to report what they knew... that's their job, after all. Hopefully it was just a miscommunication...
On May 18 2013 13:28 Dodgin wrote: Apparently Miya's retirement honor is ruined, Thisisgame is killing esports.
Ethan did his job. He shouldn't be ashamed cause tb/genna are butthurt cause they're too slow to announce. They're the ones that didn't back miya in the first place and played a part in miya's retirement.
Chucklehead is more like it. Doesn't have a clue about the situation and yet feels like he has the right to comment anyway. This community would be a lot better without you.
Aww I'd be offended if I didn't know your first defense mechanism is always to insult first in cases you don't agree with someone. Don't be mad because you threw your player under the bus at MLG. I felt the team always should fight for their own players, something axiom doesn't agree with. So you not only got that wrong, but his retirement announcement wrong too.
Genna took the decision she did because she didn't want to fuck over the bracket. It wasn't an easy decision, but to put the blame on Axiom when it was MLG's admins who fucked up is silly.
Oh it was MLG's fault in the first place, and I said that at the time too. I just feel a team should always back their player in cases like that, but obviously not in all cases such as idra.
downtime in gsl is getting so ridiculous nowadays. I can play like 3 games of starcraft in between matches... It used to be so good. A couple mins max.
On May 18 2013 13:28 Dodgin wrote: Apparently Miya's retirement honor is ruined, Thisisgame is killing esports.
Ethan did his job. He shouldn't be ashamed cause tb/genna are butthurt cause they're too slow to announce. They're the ones that didn't back miya in the first place and played a part in miya's retirement.
Chucklehead is more like it. Doesn't have a clue about the situation and yet feels like he has the right to comment anyway. This community would be a lot better without you.
Aww I'd be offended if I didn't know your first defense mechanism is always to insult first in cases you don't agree with someone. Don't be mad because you threw your player under the bus at MLG. I felt the team always should fight for their own players, something axiom doesn't agree with. So you not only got that wrong, but his retirement announcement wrong too.
Genna took the decision she did because she didn't want to fuck over the bracket. It wasn't an easy decision, but to put the blame on Axiom when it was MLG's admins who fucked up is silly.
Oh it was MLG's fault in the first place, and I said that at the time too. I just feel a team should always back their player in cases like that, but obviously not in all cases such as idra.
Ok, you are free to disagree. But Axiom's decision was not unreasonable, nor was it an easy one to make. While you can disagree with the decision, it's also important to be respectful of the difficult position Axiom and Miya were put into.
On May 18 2013 13:48 droppanda wrote: downtime in gsl is getting so ridiculous nowadays. I can play like 3 games of starcraft in between matches... It used to be so good. A couple mins max.
They didn't start cuz everyone was glued to the amazing HerO-Zest game on Proleague
On May 18 2013 13:59 devgchr wrote: Wow I'm stealing this build, this is really sick.
You'll have a hard time, the map is very special :/
By the way I'm pretty disappointed at ganzi, he could have guess 100% that somethign was fishy. Late third, you scout the guy have nothing in his main (not even lair) at a late timing, just fucking scan the natural bro -_-
Prime only has two matches left before they disband, probably.
Who haven't they played yet?
Whoa now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Did Prime announce they were disbanding, or are we all just saying that because they are doing terribly in GSTL and have a stagnant roster?
Prime only has two matches left before they disband, probably.
Who haven't they played yet?
Whoa now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Did Prime announce they were disbanding, or are we all just saying that because they are doing terribly in GSTL?
It's rumors combined with the facts that we know about the Prime house thanks to that guy who used to live there spilling all of their secrets on TL.
Prime only has two matches left before they disband, probably.
Who haven't they played yet?
Whoa now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Did Prime announce they were disbanding, or are we all just saying that because they are doing terribly in GSTL and have a stagnant roster?
It's pure speculation, but informed speculation. Rumours are running amok that they have problems with sponsoring. Their players are all doing crappily in GSTL, and they aren't even allowing their newer players to get booth experience.
That said, even NSH didn't disband, so many they will stay alive.
Don't know why people are hating on Khaldor; I think it was justified to criticise that play. Just because you really like a player doesn't mean they can do no wrong.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Popkiller wrote: i dunno... feel like scarlett is fine.
she was. khaldor being khaldor. she made supernova invest lots of minerals into marines and bunkers while she can easily transition to drones with the sec hatch
On May 18 2013 14:13 Popkiller wrote: i dunno... feel like scarlett is fine.
She is fine, but she scouted a proxy rax in her nat before putting down a hatch, and supernova didn't see her overlord. She should be far ahead it seems.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Popkiller wrote: i dunno... feel like scarlett is fine.
she was. khaldor being khaldor. she made supernova invest lots of minerals into marines and bunkers while she can easily transition to drones with the sec hatch
If it was catz, he would have canceled the rax, sent the drone across the map and proxy hatch supernova's natural since supernova would have built a cc first on the high ground.
On May 18 2013 14:17 plogamer wrote: I think people are just annoyed that Khaldor has to repeat the same thing multiple things while the game is progressing on.
not just that, he interrupts wolf waaaaay too often for how long theyve been working together
Khaldor analyzed it spot on. It's was a good idea if she intentionally let barracks finish, but absolutely no reason whatsoever to not just pull 2 drones to stop the bunker... Scarlett wouldn't have to make so many lings and she would have been way ahead at that point.
Aww she went full foreigner. But it's okay her first two games already convinced me that she's more than just any other foreigner, prey to the koreans <3
On May 18 2013 14:13 Popkiller wrote: i dunno... feel like scarlett is fine.
she was. khaldor being khaldor. she made supernova invest lots of minerals into marines and bunkers while she can easily transition to drones with the sec hatch
And yet she was down in supply for the entire game after that point. It was a bad decision.
i think scarlett just panicked a bit in the beginning and made way too many lings to hold / mismanaged a bit. fix that and a bit better mapcontrol and she would have been in a decent spot i think.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Popkiller wrote: i dunno... feel like scarlett is fine.
she was. khaldor being khaldor. she made supernova invest lots of minerals into marines and bunkers while she can easily transition to drones with the sec hatch
And yet she was down in supply for the entire game after that point. It was a bad decision.
yeah she let too much happen, couldn't make enough drones at the start.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Popkiller wrote: i dunno... feel like scarlett is fine.
she was. khaldor being khaldor. she made supernova invest lots of minerals into marines and bunkers while she can easily transition to drones with the sec hatch
I just asked her and she agreed with everything I said. So why dont you just leave and hate on someone else? :-)
On May 18 2013 14:13 Popkiller wrote: i dunno... feel like scarlett is fine.
she was. khaldor being khaldor. she made supernova invest lots of minerals into marines and bunkers while she can easily transition to drones with the sec hatch
I just asked her and she agreed with everything I said. So why dont you just leave and hate on someone else? :-)
I agree with your point, but I don't know why you needed to harp on it for so long -.-. You're scaring Wolf man!
On May 18 2013 14:33 Khaldor wrote: Because it was the deciding point in the game. Same way we talk about positive decisions that win the game for a player. Its our job :-P
nothing wrong with what you're doing here, some people just get butthurt when their players play make mistakes and commentators point them out
I don't know why you would make this many BCs. The point is to get a few to poke away at your opponent's ground, they suck compared to vikings and ravens in the air battles.
On May 18 2013 14:59 GreyKnight wrote: Amazingly poor casting this game...they had no idea what was going on.
The casting was fine, the end result of that fight was definitely unexpected. There were no tanks on the ground to stop the bio from moving in and Ryung didn't focus fire the bc's well enough, they were all on 1/2 or lower HP.
On May 18 2013 14:59 GreyKnight wrote: Amazingly poor casting this game...they had no idea what was going on.
The casting was fine, the end result of that fight was definitely unexpected. There were no tanks on the ground to stop the bio from moving in and Ryung didn't focus fire the bc's well enough, they were all on 1/2 or lower HP.
it was a pretty fucking clutch timing from supernova combined with getting a good engagement, ryung would have had enough viking just 30 seconds later.
Making the Stargate transition isn't ideal for Alicia, especially when he should know Roach/Hydra is a composition Symbol prefers in ZvP. I would think Colossi is better to deal with Symbol.
Why do they go stargate vs Symbol, I mean this guy was using Hydras vs P in WoL where it was considered a thrash unit by a majority. Now that it got buffed, well...
Symbol is great at picking the perfect engagements against the Skytoss. He knew exactly when the cooldown on Void Rays were, and when to time an attack with the Locusts.
I'm surprised the swarm hosts were so effective after making so many hydras and delaying them that long. crank already had 3 colossus before they even hit yet they've still done so much.
Am I missing something? Why don't the Zerg just target down the colossi and then mass Hydras to gun down the Void Rays? Surely hydras are the counter to mass void rays?
On May 18 2013 16:05 DeCoder wrote: Am I missing something? Why don't the Zerg just target down the colossi and then mass Hydras to gun down the Void Rays? Surely hydras are the counter to mass void rays?
nah, the corruptors would die too fast, and I don't think the hydras would beat the voids anyways lol
On May 18 2013 16:05 DeCoder wrote: Am I missing something? Why don't the Zerg just target down the colossi and then mass Hydras to gun down the Void Rays? Surely hydras are the counter to mass void rays?
Your corrupters would melt if you just targeted down the colossus.
On May 18 2013 16:14 PviLLe3 wrote: whats that warnings column about, i know if u pause without a good reason you get one but thats a lot of warnings i dont recall seeing/hearing about
For example, every time your equipment is at fault and you pause, you get a warning, even though it is a good reason to pause.
On May 18 2013 16:11 Emzeeshady wrote: corrupturds need some sort of buff -_-
replace them with the Devourer in BW :D
This. It isn't even about the balance. Corruptors are boring as shit.
Shame such a cool unit model is wasted :/
Acid Spores are so cool, I never fully understood what they did. I believe they slowed down the attack and made the target take extra damage right? Similar to Corruption I guess...
On May 18 2013 16:05 DeCoder wrote: Am I missing something? Why don't the Zerg just target down the colossi and then mass Hydras to gun down the Void Rays? Surely hydras are the counter to mass void rays?
nah, the corruptors would die too fast, and I don't think the hydras would beat the voids anyways lol
On May 18 2013 16:11 Emzeeshady wrote: corrupturds need some sort of buff -_-
replace them with the Devourer in BW :D
This. It isn't even about the balance. Corruptors are boring as shit.
Shame such a cool unit model is wasted :/
Acid Spores are so cool, I never fully understood what they did. I believe they slowed down the attack and made the target take extra damage right? Similar to Corruption I guess...
From Liquipedia:
The Acid Spores are a unique damage type caused only by the Devourer. Each unit hit by a Devourer's attack - including the ones within one matrix of the target that are affected by splash - receive one Acid Spore per hit to a maximum of nine. For each Acid Spore attached to a unit, that unit's cooldown is increased by approximately 12.5%, with a hard floor of 3 ticks. Note that the Protoss Carrier is not affected by Acid Spores in this regard since it doesn't attack directly.
The second effect Acid spores have is that for each Spore a unit has stacked on it, it takes one extra damage per attack. For example, one Mutalisk would deal 9 points of damage to the first unit its Glave Wurm would hit, 3 points to the second and one point to the third. If however it attacks a group of units affected by nine Spores each, the Mutalisk would deal 18, 12 and 10 points of damage respectively. This is why Devourer-Mutalisk is such a powerful combination.
The Acid Spores will also reveal any units that attempt to cloak; however, this effect must be present on the target prior to its cloaking. Cloaked units that are not detected and not already affected by acid spores will not have Acid Spores placed on them.
On May 18 2013 16:11 Emzeeshady wrote: corrupturds need some sort of buff -_-
replace them with the Devourer in BW :D
This. It isn't even about the balance. Corruptors are boring as shit.
Shame such a cool unit model is wasted :/
Acid Spores are so cool, I never fully understood what they did. I believe they slowed down the attack and made the target take extra damage right? Similar to Corruption I guess...
From Liquipedia:
The Acid Spores are a unique damage type caused only by the Devourer. Each unit hit by a Devourer's attack - including the ones within one matrix of the target that are affected by splash - receive one Acid Spore per hit to a maximum of nine. For each Acid Spore attached to a unit, that unit's cooldown is increased by approximately 12.5%, with a hard floor of 3 ticks. Note that the Protoss Carrier is not affected by Acid Spores in this regard since it doesn't attack directly.
The second effect Acid spores have is that for each Spore a unit has stacked on it, it takes one extra damage per attack. For example, one Mutalisk would deal 9 points of damage to the first unit its Glave Wurm would hit, 3 points to the second and one point to the third. If however it attacks a group of units affected by nine Spores each, the Mutalisk would deal 18, 12 and 10 points of damage respectively. This is why Devourer-Mutalisk is such a powerful combination.
The Acid Spores will also reveal any units that attempt to cloak; however, this effect must be present on the target prior to its cloaking. Cloaked units that are not detected and not already affected by acid spores will not have Acid Spores placed on them.
Damn AxA so impressive. It's so weird, individually they seem to struggle, and even in other team leagues (ATC.) But together they somehow become an unstoppable force. Even with only 5 players today and missing ace MMA they were still able to pull it out over a strong Azubu team.
Wow, I stopped watching and switched to proleague because I thought Symbol was so far ahead he couldn't lose the game. Didn't know he had no idea how to deal with void rays.
On May 18 2013 16:11 Emzeeshady wrote: corrupturds need some sort of buff -_-
replace them with the Devourer in BW :D
This. It isn't even about the balance. Corruptors are boring as shit.
Shame such a cool unit model is wasted :/
Acid Spores are so cool, I never fully understood what they did. I believe they slowed down the attack and made the target take extra damage right? Similar to Corruption I guess...
From Liquipedia:
The Acid Spores are a unique damage type caused only by the Devourer. Each unit hit by a Devourer's attack - including the ones within one matrix of the target that are affected by splash - receive one Acid Spore per hit to a maximum of nine. For each Acid Spore attached to a unit, that unit's cooldown is increased by approximately 12.5%, with a hard floor of 3 ticks. Note that the Protoss Carrier is not affected by Acid Spores in this regard since it doesn't attack directly.
The second effect Acid spores have is that for each Spore a unit has stacked on it, it takes one extra damage per attack. For example, one Mutalisk would deal 9 points of damage to the first unit its Glave Wurm would hit, 3 points to the second and one point to the third. If however it attacks a group of units affected by nine Spores each, the Mutalisk would deal 18, 12 and 10 points of damage respectively. This is why Devourer-Mutalisk is such a powerful combination.
The Acid Spores will also reveal any units that attempt to cloak; however, this effect must be present on the target prior to its cloaking. Cloaked units that are not detected and not already affected by acid spores will not have Acid Spores placed on them.
what does "with a hard floor of 3 ticks" means?
I'd assume it's capped at 3 seconds between attacks
On May 18 2013 16:04 Dodgin wrote: Crank is the best coach ever, this is the second time he has won the match for his team now.
What other team can say that? When Choya tried to be Oz he got wrecked.
i dno choya has pulled off some intense wins lol. i particularly remember that game against MMA on crossfire
I was just making a mean joke about that one time Choya sent himself out as ace, Choya definitely had some great games in GSTL during his time as a player.
On May 18 2013 16:04 Dodgin wrote: Crank is the best coach ever, this is the second time he has won the match for his team now.
What other team can say that? When Choya tried to be Oz he got wrecked.
i dno choya has pulled off some intense wins lol. i particularly remember that game against MMA on crossfire
I was just making a mean joke about that one time Choya sent himself out as ace, Choya definitely had some great games in GSTL during his time as a player.
Choya had an entire sniper strategy prepared. He just executed it improperly and then it was hard to follow-up from there.
choya didn't even send himself out as ace; the decision may have been unclear to us as spectators with limited information but it's been known since that oz was not doing well at all in PvT, he didn't want to be sent out, and i think choya made the best decision he could
i suppose it's something to make a joke about and i shouldn't take it too seriously, haha.
Afaik Oz said that he didn't want to play that time. And Choya accepted that and chose to not send him out. Can't remember who I heard it from, Unstable I think.
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