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ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 08:44:44
May 05 2013 08:44 GMT
#621
Ahh now I feel nostalgic for the good old 2011 days where Nestea chased drops back and forth across shakuras plateau with his whole ling baneling army, July baneling busted any protoss who didn't respectfully build at least 3 cannons when forge expanding and there was a lovely cycle of Mvp >Polt> MMA which eventually came full circle when MMA started consistently beating Mvp. Also I miss sky terran, losira winning all the time despite losing his natural hatch to 2rax and PvP being the most rediculous thing ever.

Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2929 Posts
May 05 2013 08:46 GMT
#622
On May 05 2013 17:41 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:36 TAMinator wrote:
I dont think people understand how good sOs is in here. He beat Innovation in a tournament very recently already (and beat Life in the finals). The GSL is definetely between sOs and Innovation

Hes just the Protoss flavour of the month. The best Protoss player changes every couple of weeks. I think it is cause there is a lot more luck involved in Protoss matches.


ROFL are you serious? sOs has been dominating proleague the entire season and showing solid gsl results for months.
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
May 05 2013 08:48 GMT
#623
That was predictable :D
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 08:51:15
May 05 2013 08:49 GMT
#624
Speaking of which, it's still only a matter of time before KeSPa takes over. It was always the logical thing as they had the money, power and regime. Obviously it's not like a complete takeover immediately like the whole Elephant, but it was clear that it would happen slowly and eventually.
kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
May 05 2013 08:49 GMT
#625
On May 05 2013 17:36 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:32 GTPGlitch wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:30 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:25 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:20 UnKooL wrote:
Is anybody currently on Innovation's level? I think the closest would be Rain or Parting, but even they don't seem as dominant as innovation.

If widow mines didn't exist Life could compete with Innovation for sure.

Funny, since Life has already figured widow mines out, right?

You can't figure out a 75/25 invisible unit that does devastating AOE and can be built two at a time -_-


Well, i'd say sacrificing a 25/0 .5 supply unit that can be built two at a time and then killing the 75/25 unit is pretty close to figuring it out

In theory it sounds great but when there are 10+ widow mines and units killing the kings before you can set them off it doesn't work so well. Thats why we are seeing so many Zerg all ins. It is frightening to face widow mines in the mid game. I am hopeful that people will mess with Swarm hosts a bit as they work well vs widow mines but I am not sure if they are viable.


Problem is that before (WoL pre infestors/queen patches) ling/bling/mutas was balanced versus marine/tanks, and the mutas were really usefull, because they defended the drops, sniped the tanks (making it hard for a terran to hold a position for too long) and killed the medivacs.
In Hots mutas are a bit better, but they don't really fullfill a role of "sniping mines". And it's hard to cut on the mutas, because with boost drops are really f***ing good. I hoped that life would "show me the way" to beat terran in the group of death, and he ended up getting absolutely crushed by Innovation.
I don't mind innovation rolling good zerg left and right (I liked to see MMA play back in the day :p), but the games he plays are often not even close ...
Juanald you're my hero I miss you -> best troll ever on TL <3
oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
May 05 2013 08:50 GMT
#626
Sad to say it but A-A-A-A-A- ALL KILL!
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
May 05 2013 08:51 GMT
#627
On May 05 2013 17:49 kubiks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:36 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:32 GTPGlitch wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:30 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:25 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:20 UnKooL wrote:
Is anybody currently on Innovation's level? I think the closest would be Rain or Parting, but even they don't seem as dominant as innovation.

If widow mines didn't exist Life could compete with Innovation for sure.

Funny, since Life has already figured widow mines out, right?

You can't figure out a 75/25 invisible unit that does devastating AOE and can be built two at a time -_-


Well, i'd say sacrificing a 25/0 .5 supply unit that can be built two at a time and then killing the 75/25 unit is pretty close to figuring it out

In theory it sounds great but when there are 10+ widow mines and units killing the kings before you can set them off it doesn't work so well. Thats why we are seeing so many Zerg all ins. It is frightening to face widow mines in the mid game. I am hopeful that people will mess with Swarm hosts a bit as they work well vs widow mines but I am not sure if they are viable.


~yadda~
I don't mind innovation rolling good zerg left and right (I liked to see MMA play back in the day :p), but the games he plays are often not even close ...


The games he plays aren't close no matter what race the opponent is ^_^
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ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2984 Posts
May 05 2013 08:53 GMT
#628
Bogus just farmed on EG-TL. He killed a few creeps before entering the real battle T_T;
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 08:54:41
May 05 2013 08:54 GMT
#629
On May 05 2013 17:36 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:32 GTPGlitch wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:30 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:25 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:20 UnKooL wrote:
Is anybody currently on Innovation's level? I think the closest would be Rain or Parting, but even they don't seem as dominant as innovation.

If widow mines didn't exist Life could compete with Innovation for sure.

Funny, since Life has already figured widow mines out, right?

You can't figure out a 75/25 invisible unit that does devastating AOE and can be built two at a time -_-


Well, i'd say sacrificing a 25/0 .5 supply unit that can be built two at a time and then killing the 75/25 unit is pretty close to figuring it out

In theory it sounds great but when there are 10+ widow mines and units killing the kings before you can set them off it doesn't work so well. Thats why we are seeing so many Zerg all ins. It is frightening to face widow mines in the mid game. I am hopeful that people will mess with Swarm hosts a bit as they work well vs widow mines but I am not sure if they are viable.


People already tried them out.
Funny thing is Life build 2SH in both of games against Bogus in an attempt to set the mines off.
But it failed horribly.
Locusts just get sniped by MMM.

They aren't viable in ZvT unless T decides to go mech(which no one does because Bio+Mine are the best composition now).
Play your best
Morphage
Profile Joined September 2011
France492 Posts
May 05 2013 08:54 GMT
#630
On May 04 2013 17:49 Morphage wrote:
Innovation could very well all kill after his performance in GSL


Wohooo I called it ^^ Not very hard to call though hehe
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
May 05 2013 08:55 GMT
#631
On May 05 2013 17:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Widowmines are obnoxious as hell. They've killed off marine/tank completely, which I really prefer to watch

It's not just widow mines, vipers also play a big part to why we don't see tanks any more unless the terran is going pure mech.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 08:56:14
May 05 2013 08:56 GMT
#632
On May 05 2013 17:54 Morphage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 17:49 Morphage wrote:
Innovation could very well all kill after his performance in GSL


Wohooo I called it ^^ Not very hard to call though hehe


Ever body called it though ^.^
kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
May 05 2013 08:56 GMT
#633
On May 05 2013 17:51 GTPGlitch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:49 kubiks wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:36 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:32 GTPGlitch wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:30 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:25 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:20 UnKooL wrote:
Is anybody currently on Innovation's level? I think the closest would be Rain or Parting, but even they don't seem as dominant as innovation.

If widow mines didn't exist Life could compete with Innovation for sure.

Funny, since Life has already figured widow mines out, right?

You can't figure out a 75/25 invisible unit that does devastating AOE and can be built two at a time -_-


Well, i'd say sacrificing a 25/0 .5 supply unit that can be built two at a time and then killing the 75/25 unit is pretty close to figuring it out

In theory it sounds great but when there are 10+ widow mines and units killing the kings before you can set them off it doesn't work so well. Thats why we are seeing so many Zerg all ins. It is frightening to face widow mines in the mid game. I am hopeful that people will mess with Swarm hosts a bit as they work well vs widow mines but I am not sure if they are viable.


~yadda~
I don't mind innovation rolling good zerg left and right (I liked to see MMA play back in the day :p), but the games he plays are often not even close ...


The games he plays aren't close no matter what race the opponent is ^_^


His games looks way closer agaisnt protoss or terran...(and today I think the 2 games he might have lost were the first 2)
Juanald you're my hero I miss you -> best troll ever on TL <3
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
May 05 2013 08:57 GMT
#634
On May 05 2013 17:55 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Widowmines are obnoxious as hell. They've killed off marine/tank completely, which I really prefer to watch

It's not just widow mines, vipers also play a big part to why we don't see tanks any more unless the terran is going pure mech.


I'd love to seek the Tank come back, but the Tank is just so poor in HotS metagame and don't scale well.
LiLSighKoh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States588 Posts
May 05 2013 08:57 GMT
#635
After Taeja lost, I knew the all-kill was coming..
"Want some? Go get some!"
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
May 05 2013 08:58 GMT
#636
On May 05 2013 17:55 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Widowmines are obnoxious as hell. They've killed off marine/tank completely, which I really prefer to watch

It's not just widow mines, vipers also play a big part to why we don't see tanks any more unless the terran is going pure mech.


Funny thing is that Tanks are becoming the WOL Hydra now.lol

Play your best
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
May 05 2013 09:02 GMT
#637
Bah this is so frustrating... EG-TL no offense but you gotta get your shit together
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
fluidin
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore1084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 09:05:18
May 05 2013 09:04 GMT
#638
On May 05 2013 17:54 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:36 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:32 GTPGlitch wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:30 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:25 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:20 UnKooL wrote:
Is anybody currently on Innovation's level? I think the closest would be Rain or Parting, but even they don't seem as dominant as innovation.

If widow mines didn't exist Life could compete with Innovation for sure.

Funny, since Life has already figured widow mines out, right?

You can't figure out a 75/25 invisible unit that does devastating AOE and can be built two at a time -_-


Well, i'd say sacrificing a 25/0 .5 supply unit that can be built two at a time and then killing the 75/25 unit is pretty close to figuring it out

In theory it sounds great but when there are 10+ widow mines and units killing the kings before you can set them off it doesn't work so well. Thats why we are seeing so many Zerg all ins. It is frightening to face widow mines in the mid game. I am hopeful that people will mess with Swarm hosts a bit as they work well vs widow mines but I am not sure if they are viable.


People already tried them out.
Funny thing is Life build 2SH in both of games against Bogus in an attempt to set the mines off.
But it failed horribly.
Locusts just get sniped by MMM.

They aren't viable in ZvT unless T decides to go mech(which no one does because Bio+Mine are the best composition now).


Flash went mech T_T (oh tvz, my bad)
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
May 05 2013 09:07 GMT
#639
On May 05 2013 17:58 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:55 Bagi wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Widowmines are obnoxious as hell. They've killed off marine/tank completely, which I really prefer to watch

It's not just widow mines, vipers also play a big part to why we don't see tanks any more unless the terran is going pure mech.


Funny thing is that Tanks are becoming the WOL Hydra now.lol



Wow they are. Only used in mirror matches or weird all-ins. That's exactly what the Hydra was.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
May 05 2013 09:08 GMT
#640
Innovation is pretty good at this here game.
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