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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
May 05 2013 08:31 GMT
#601
Bogus is the strongest all round player ATM, and probably the best sc2 player to date, but sOs, parting and Flash (when he isn't going mech) will be able to take him head on 50-50. From what I've seen Soulkey will not last in a prepared Bo5, neither will Life.

In terms of micro, macro, multitask and strategy benchmarks, Bogus is better or equal to anyone else in history.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
May 05 2013 08:31 GMT
#602
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26035 Posts
May 05 2013 08:32 GMT
#603
WHen Nestea and MVP were taking their early championships. I didn't say it 'had' to happen, just my personal preference. Feels wrong to me when somebody who is clearly the best player in a period has a bad day at the office and doesn't have the medal to prove it.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
May 05 2013 08:32 GMT
#604
On May 05 2013 17:26 BlackCompany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:16 lolmlg wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:12 Ghanburighan wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:06 samurai80 wrote:
On May 05 2013 16:58 MasterCynical wrote:
wow.

innovation might Single handedly cause a round of terran nerfs.

The thing is, in the case of Mvp, he wasn't that dominant against other terrans (including Taeja and aLive) but he was versus zergs and to a lesser extent versus protoss, hence the nerf. For Innovation he looks too good against all, so it's harder to say the race is OP.


That's not the case at all. He took people like Clide, Bomber, MKP, MMA, etc to town so very often during his best days. I'd say his rivalry was with Nestea, a zerg. But he was the favourite against every race. Only MMA had a good chance against him during MMA's very best period.

I don't really remember MVP vs. Nestea being anything notable. Nestea was a bit of a moron in the one series that sticks out in my mind. I forget what tournament that was but it was the finals and people were confused about it for days.


Wasn't that the series where nestea had a 10k/5k bank vs a barely maxed MVP and still lost the final game?


He's probably referring to Blizzcon 2011 where Nestea maxed on 27 brood lords with almost no anti-air and derped into a perfectly defended MVP. The game was good hype for casual viewers since it looked pretty epic (source: had a friend at Blizzcon that loves WoW. Figured he'd sit in on the starcraft games, lost his nut).

But that was only one of many series MVP and Nestea fought I believe. I at least remember GSL 2011 January had a semi final between the two which was MVP's only losses (in games) in that entire season.
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Kelwyn
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany143 Posts
May 05 2013 08:32 GMT
#605
On May 05 2013 17:26 BlackCompany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:16 lolmlg wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:12 Ghanburighan wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:06 samurai80 wrote:
On May 05 2013 16:58 MasterCynical wrote:
wow.

innovation might Single handedly cause a round of terran nerfs.

The thing is, in the case of Mvp, he wasn't that dominant against other terrans (including Taeja and aLive) but he was versus zergs and to a lesser extent versus protoss, hence the nerf. For Innovation he looks too good against all, so it's harder to say the race is OP.


That's not the case at all. He took people like Clide, Bomber, MKP, MMA, etc to town so very often during his best days. I'd say his rivalry was with Nestea, a zerg. But he was the favourite against every race. Only MMA had a good chance against him during MMA's very best period.

I don't really remember MVP vs. Nestea being anything notable. Nestea was a bit of a moron in the one series that sticks out in my mind. I forget what tournament that was but it was the finals and people were confused about it for days.


Wasn't that the series where nestea had a 10k/5k bank vs a barely maxed MVP and still lost the final game?


Those were the days of the Blizzcon 2011 Finals
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
May 05 2013 08:32 GMT
#606
On May 05 2013 17:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:30 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:25 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:20 UnKooL wrote:
Is anybody currently on Innovation's level? I think the closest would be Rain or Parting, but even they don't seem as dominant as innovation.

If widow mines didn't exist Life could compete with Innovation for sure.

Funny, since Life has already figured widow mines out, right?

You can't figure out a 75/25 invisible unit that does devastating AOE and can be built two at a time -_-


Well, i'd say sacrificing a 25/0 .5 supply unit that can be built two at a time and then killing the 75/25 unit is pretty close to figuring it out
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kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
May 05 2013 08:33 GMT
#607
On May 05 2013 17:26 BlackCompany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:16 lolmlg wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:12 Ghanburighan wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:06 samurai80 wrote:
On May 05 2013 16:58 MasterCynical wrote:
wow.

innovation might Single handedly cause a round of terran nerfs.

The thing is, in the case of Mvp, he wasn't that dominant against other terrans (including Taeja and aLive) but he was versus zergs and to a lesser extent versus protoss, hence the nerf. For Innovation he looks too good against all, so it's harder to say the race is OP.


That's not the case at all. He took people like Clide, Bomber, MKP, MMA, etc to town so very often during his best days. I'd say his rivalry was with Nestea, a zerg. But he was the favourite against every race. Only MMA had a good chance against him during MMA's very best period.

I don't really remember MVP vs. Nestea being anything notable. Nestea was a bit of a moron in the one series that sticks out in my mind. I forget what tournament that was but it was the finals and people were confused about it for days.


Wasn't that the series where nestea had a 10k/5k bank vs a barely maxed MVP and still lost the final game?


Ghost were really obnoxious back then. They could snipe the hell out of any Tier 3 units zerg could do. In conjonction with tanks, on a rather thight map (shakuras plateau), it's really hard to break a terran position. Nestea just boteched that a bit more than he should have.
But Mvp wasn't the only one to have done that, and korean didn't do it too much because they prefered to just continue on marine/tank/drop because it was efficient enough. I still remember some europeans doing ghost/tank turtleuling, and managing to win agaisnt zegr having 3/4 of the map....
Ghost needed to be nerf, but they have been nerfed a little bit too much (the only real problem was they were sniping pretty much any high tech unit zerg could do...)
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k3n705
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada134 Posts
May 05 2013 08:33 GMT
#608
"To be honest with you Diane, I'm surprised."
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
May 05 2013 08:35 GMT
#609
On May 05 2013 17:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:30 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:25 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:20 UnKooL wrote:
Is anybody currently on Innovation's level? I think the closest would be Rain or Parting, but even they don't seem as dominant as innovation.

If widow mines didn't exist Life could compete with Innovation for sure.

Funny, since Life has already figured widow mines out, right?

You can't figure out a 75/25 invisible unit that does devastating AOE and can be built two at a time -_-

But I thought that's what people say that sets him apart from other zergs in terms of ZvT, and now he's not the best anymore because of widow mines.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
May 05 2013 08:35 GMT
#610
On May 05 2013 17:32 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:26 BlackCompany wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:16 lolmlg wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:12 Ghanburighan wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:06 samurai80 wrote:
On May 05 2013 16:58 MasterCynical wrote:
wow.

innovation might Single handedly cause a round of terran nerfs.

The thing is, in the case of Mvp, he wasn't that dominant against other terrans (including Taeja and aLive) but he was versus zergs and to a lesser extent versus protoss, hence the nerf. For Innovation he looks too good against all, so it's harder to say the race is OP.


That's not the case at all. He took people like Clide, Bomber, MKP, MMA, etc to town so very often during his best days. I'd say his rivalry was with Nestea, a zerg. But he was the favourite against every race. Only MMA had a good chance against him during MMA's very best period.

I don't really remember MVP vs. Nestea being anything notable. Nestea was a bit of a moron in the one series that sticks out in my mind. I forget what tournament that was but it was the finals and people were confused about it for days.


Wasn't that the series where nestea had a 10k/5k bank vs a barely maxed MVP and still lost the final game?


He's probably referring to Blizzcon 2011 where Nestea maxed on 27 brood lords with almost no anti-air and derped into a perfectly defended MVP. The game was good hype for casual viewers since it looked pretty epic (source: had a friend at Blizzcon that loves WoW. Figured he'd sit in on the starcraft games, lost his nut).

But that was only one of many series MVP and Nestea fought I believe. I at least remember GSL 2011 January had a semi final between the two which was MVP's only losses (in games) in that entire season.


Ah okay, my memory isnt that good
The only thing i rememmber was the huge bank Nestea has^^
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
May 05 2013 08:36 GMT
#611
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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
May 05 2013 08:36 GMT
#612
I dont think people understand how good sOs is in here. He beat Innovation in a tournament very recently already (and beat Life in the finals). The GSL is definetely between sOs and Innovation
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
May 05 2013 08:36 GMT
#613
On May 05 2013 17:33 kubiks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:26 BlackCompany wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:16 lolmlg wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:12 Ghanburighan wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:06 samurai80 wrote:
On May 05 2013 16:58 MasterCynical wrote:
wow.

innovation might Single handedly cause a round of terran nerfs.

The thing is, in the case of Mvp, he wasn't that dominant against other terrans (including Taeja and aLive) but he was versus zergs and to a lesser extent versus protoss, hence the nerf. For Innovation he looks too good against all, so it's harder to say the race is OP.


That's not the case at all. He took people like Clide, Bomber, MKP, MMA, etc to town so very often during his best days. I'd say his rivalry was with Nestea, a zerg. But he was the favourite against every race. Only MMA had a good chance against him during MMA's very best period.

I don't really remember MVP vs. Nestea being anything notable. Nestea was a bit of a moron in the one series that sticks out in my mind. I forget what tournament that was but it was the finals and people were confused about it for days.


Wasn't that the series where nestea had a 10k/5k bank vs a barely maxed MVP and still lost the final game?


Ghost were really obnoxious back then. They could snipe the hell out of any Tier 3 units zerg could do. In conjonction with tanks, on a rather thight map (shakuras plateau), it's really hard to break a terran position. Nestea just boteched that a bit more than he should have.
But Mvp wasn't the only one to have done that, and korean didn't do it too much because they prefered to just continue on marine/tank/drop because it was efficient enough. I still remember some europeans doing ghost/tank turtleuling, and managing to win agaisnt zegr having 3/4 of the map....
Ghost needed to be nerf, but they have been nerfed a little bit too much (the only real problem was they were sniping pretty much any high tech unit zerg could do...)


Ya, ghost snipe was a bit stupid. But now they cant even snipe Zerglings with 1 shot, which is probably as stupid as before <.<
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26035 Posts
May 05 2013 08:37 GMT
#614
Widowmines are obnoxious as hell. They've killed off marine/tank completely, which I really prefer to watch
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
May 05 2013 08:37 GMT
#615
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WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
May 05 2013 08:38 GMT
#616
I kind of miss tanks too, I wouldn't mind if tanks synergized with MMM play more, maybe higher minerals and lower gas?
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
May 05 2013 08:39 GMT
#617
On May 05 2013 17:30 NicksonReyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:25 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:20 UnKooL wrote:
Is anybody currently on Innovation's level? I think the closest would be Rain or Parting, but even they don't seem as dominant as innovation.

If widow mines didn't exist Life could compete with Innovation for sure.

Funny, since Life has already figured widow mines out, right?


Sorry but Life just was on his off day.
Bogus did outplayed him though.
Play your best
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
May 05 2013 08:41 GMT
#618
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
May 05 2013 08:42 GMT
#619
On May 05 2013 17:37 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:35 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:30 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:25 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:20 UnKooL wrote:
Is anybody currently on Innovation's level? I think the closest would be Rain or Parting, but even they don't seem as dominant as innovation.

If widow mines didn't exist Life could compete with Innovation for sure.

Funny, since Life has already figured widow mines out, right?

You can't figure out a 75/25 invisible unit that does devastating AOE and can be built two at a time -_-

But I thought that's what people say that sets him apart from other zergs in terms of ZvT, and now he's not the best anymore because of widow mines.

Whats sets him apart from other zergs is his greta micro/multi tasking and his super aggressive play style. Plus his don't give a fuck attitude. Hes like the Eminem of SC2.

Would be no surprise from you to say that if I assume your username is a tribute to Eminem. Is it? ^^
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NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
May 05 2013 08:43 GMT
#620
On May 05 2013 17:39 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:30 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:25 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:20 UnKooL wrote:
Is anybody currently on Innovation's level? I think the closest would be Rain or Parting, but even they don't seem as dominant as innovation.

If widow mines didn't exist Life could compete with Innovation for sure.

Funny, since Life has already figured widow mines out, right?


Sorry but Life just was on his off day.
Bogus did outplayed him though.

I know. All I want to say is that don't use Innovation vs Life to complain about mines.
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