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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
May 05 2013 08:03 GMT
#561
Bogus + AK47
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
May 05 2013 08:03 GMT
#562
On May 05 2013 17:01 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 16:58 mrbamboo wrote:
1235 people have innovation on their FPL team, that's more than 50% of FPL teams,


8 points, man. what do you expect? probably should have been ten.

Yeah that's the cheapest #1 player I can remember seeing in FPL
Yhamm is the god of predictions
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
May 05 2013 08:03 GMT
#563
On May 05 2013 17:01 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:00 McBengt wrote:
On May 05 2013 16:58 Wombat_NI wrote:
On May 05 2013 16:57 ThomasR wrote:
JD joining EG really stunting his development into a better sc2 player

How is that? He was hardly tearing it up under Team8, and if anything EGTL at least have some good Protoss players that he can fix his legendary JvP over time


JD just took third place at DH, being one stupid hatch first vs proxy gate game away from the finals. I'd say that some pretty good improvement.

I'm sure that will be disparaged because the tournament took place outside of Korea


Even though he played other koreans, of course. Logic is no match for puerile e-hating, alas.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
Spacekyod
Profile Joined December 2010
United States818 Posts
May 05 2013 08:03 GMT
#564
On May 05 2013 17:00 Wombat_NI wrote:
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On May 05 2013 16:59 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 05 2013 16:57 FakeDeath wrote:
On May 05 2013 16:56 mrtomjones wrote:
Were any of the games close? I just tuned in..


Nah.
Except that TvT against Taeja.

Bogus just straight up rolled over HerO,JD and Alive.
EZ-TL.

To be fair not many players can take on Innovation these days. EGTL only has 1 Code S level player anyway and he is injured.

When did HerO get injured?


lol. he's talking about Taeja.
Riders of the Plastic Groove. "When all-in fails, all-in again!" Finally... Make way for the real DONG!
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 08:04:14
May 05 2013 08:03 GMT
#565
On May 05 2013 16:58 mrbamboo wrote:
1235 people have innovation on their FPL team, that's more than 50% of FPL teams,

And more than 50% of those people just need to tell everybody that they indeed have Innovation on their FPL team. Damn fantasy sports.
why even
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
May 05 2013 08:03 GMT
#566
Anny more games or is it done now?
evergreensc
Profile Joined December 2012
United States268 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 08:04:34
May 05 2013 08:03 GMT
#567
On May 05 2013 17:01 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 16:58 mrbamboo wrote:
1235 people have innovation on their FPL team, that's more than 50% of FPL teams,


8 points, man. what do you expect? probably should have been ten.


Yeah that was pretty much the easiest pick ever.

OTOH I have Flash on my anti and that could really kick me in the ass.
Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
May 05 2013 08:04 GMT
#568
It was so painful to watch this. Hope JD will improve.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
May 05 2013 08:04 GMT
#569
Poll: Would you recommend Innovation?

Yes (56)
 
100%

56 total votes

Your vote: Would you recommend Innovation?

(Vote): Yes

And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
May 05 2013 08:04 GMT
#570
so are there regular posters that don't have Innovation on their FPL team?
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 05 2013 08:04 GMT
#571
On May 05 2013 17:03 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:01 negativedge wrote:
On May 05 2013 16:58 mrbamboo wrote:
1235 people have innovation on their FPL team, that's more than 50% of FPL teams,


8 points, man. what do you expect? probably should have been ten.

Yeah that's the cheapest #1 player I can remember seeing in FPL

TBLS hovering around 10 or above in BW all the time just made them so scary to pick up since you had next to no points but now you get bogus who for 8 points is the greatest steal in FPL history since you can have him rack up 5000 points and have a good backing team.
Glorious SEA doto
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
May 05 2013 08:04 GMT
#572
On May 05 2013 17:01 Fusilero wrote:
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On May 05 2013 17:00 Hrrrrm wrote:
Feel so bad for Coach Park. I honestly believe he has no idea what to do anymore with these guys. EG-TL should've started in GSTL first and worked their way up.

The only answer is for coach park to enter the booth himself and carry EG-TL with his bare hands.


It's also only been a relatively short amount of time. Big changes like he's been implementing take time to kick in.

Is there a Proleague "offseason"? I feel like this is what EG-TL needs, so they can really buckle down and practice hard without the stress of having to win for a while. It's no real different from any sports team who goes through a big coaching and system change, it doesn't get better after only a month or two.
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IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
May 05 2013 08:05 GMT
#573
On May 05 2013 17:03 McBengt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 17:01 Wombat_NI wrote:
On May 05 2013 17:00 McBengt wrote:
On May 05 2013 16:58 Wombat_NI wrote:
On May 05 2013 16:57 ThomasR wrote:
JD joining EG really stunting his development into a better sc2 player

How is that? He was hardly tearing it up under Team8, and if anything EGTL at least have some good Protoss players that he can fix his legendary JvP over time


JD just took third place at DH, being one stupid hatch first vs proxy gate game away from the finals. I'd say that some pretty good improvement.

I'm sure that will be disparaged because the tournament took place outside of Korea


Even though he played other koreans, of course. Logic is no match for puerile e-hating, alas.


As if the dreamhack Korean lineup was comparable to GSL or proleague.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
May 05 2013 08:06 GMT
#574
On May 05 2013 16:58 MasterCynical wrote:
wow.

innovation might Single handedly cause a round of terran nerfs.

The thing is, in the case of Mvp, he wasn't that dominant against other terrans (including Taeja and aLive) but he was versus zergs and to a lesser extent versus protoss, hence the nerf. For Innovation he looks too good against all, so it's harder to say the race is OP.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
May 05 2013 08:08 GMT
#575
On May 05 2013 17:06 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 16:58 MasterCynical wrote:
wow.

innovation might Single handedly cause a round of terran nerfs.

The thing is, in the case of Mvp, he wasn't that dominant against other terrans (including Taeja and aLive) but he was versus zergs and to a lesser extent versus protoss, hence the nerf. For Innovation he looks too good against all, so it's harder to say the race is OP.


Wait what? Mvp has historically had one of the best, if not the best TvT in WoL. He was thought to be nearly unstoppable in TvT during his prime where he had a crazy 14 game win streak of something.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
May 05 2013 08:09 GMT
#576
On May 05 2013 16:58 MasterCynical wrote:
wow.

innovation might Single handedly cause a round of terran nerfs.


I am afraid you may be right. It is not like it never happened before (Mvp).
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26760 Posts
May 05 2013 08:09 GMT
#577
On May 05 2013 17:06 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 16:58 MasterCynical wrote:
wow.

innovation might Single handedly cause a round of terran nerfs.

The thing is, in the case of Mvp, he wasn't that dominant against other terrans (including Taeja and aLive) but he was versus zergs and to a lesser extent versus protoss, hence the nerf. For Innovation he looks too good against all, so it's harder to say the race is OP.

MVP was historically meant to be (relatively) weak vs Protoss and relied on his set preparation a lot against that race. Some of his early GSLs came in the most Terran-heavy periods as well so don't underestimate his chops in the mirror.

His use of ghosts got them nerfed sadly (I miss that sight), but that was a curious nerf tbh, it hadn't really caught on as play you would see all the time (i.e late WoL BL/Infestor) and was hard to transition to as well.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
May 05 2013 08:12 GMT
#578
On May 05 2013 17:06 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 16:58 MasterCynical wrote:
wow.

innovation might Single handedly cause a round of terran nerfs.

The thing is, in the case of Mvp, he wasn't that dominant against other terrans (including Taeja and aLive) but he was versus zergs and to a lesser extent versus protoss, hence the nerf. For Innovation he looks too good against all, so it's harder to say the race is OP.


That's not the case at all. He took people like Clide, Bomber, MKP, MMA, etc to town so very often during his best days. I'd say his rivalry was with Nestea, a zerg. But he was the favourite against every race. Only MMA had a good chance against him during MMA's very best period.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
May 05 2013 08:12 GMT
#579
On May 05 2013 17:06 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 16:58 MasterCynical wrote:
wow.

innovation might Single handedly cause a round of terran nerfs.

The thing is, in the case of Mvp, he wasn't that dominant against other terrans (including Taeja and aLive) but he was versus zergs and to a lesser extent versus protoss, hence the nerf. For Innovation he looks too good against all, so it's harder to say the race is OP.


He had over 70% win rate in TvT....
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
May 05 2013 08:13 GMT
#580
eztl i guess.
no surprise
Incredible Miracle
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