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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
May 04 2013 09:51 GMT
#561
It makes me so happy to see Ryung do well. Kid's got mad talent.

At the same time, it's a bit sad to see just how hard Prime have fallen since their... prime (huehuehue).
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
May 04 2013 10:00 GMT
#562
On May 04 2013 17:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 17:26 opterown wrote:
On May 04 2013 17:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 04 2013 17:04 opterown wrote:
On May 04 2013 17:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 04 2013 16:58 Pyloss wrote:
Gratz to Axiom!

Now, sure the results always are 4-0 or 4-0....i think it would be better to do a BO9 again. Right?


I'd honestly like to see a return to BO9 format. Problem is then Prime would have to send out the coach as an ace.

way to be a dick


Better email the sponsors. Oh wait.

Actually can I interview you? I find you really interesting. You are the first Australian in the world who can't take a joke.

poor form to kick a team when it's down, you didn't see me dissing your team last week when they got all-killed. better to cheer for a team than to diss other teams in my opinion.

i can take a joke fine, i think you'll be similarly unamused if someone dicks about similarly to your team


Implying it didn't already happen yet you saw no public butthurt from me. I'd have good reason to, as a sponsor and marketing manager whereas you are a fan, you do not have any involvement with PRIME. So get over yourself, take a joke and quit whining. This attitude makes esports a dull affair.


Wow that was a brutal beat down....

To be fair, opterown is acknowledged by team Prime as one of their publicists on teamliquid.
So he's not just some totally random fan.

They even sent him swag if I recall correctly:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=406952
moo...for DRG
brrip
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom211 Posts
May 04 2013 10:20 GMT
#563
How the mighty have fallen. Still waiting for a GSTL team to get it together the way SlayerS did during their rise. It's amazing that Axiom can do so well with such a small line up, but I don't understand why teams aren't more motivated to prep B teamers to specifically snipe/cheese against certain players. Is GSTL too much of a sideshow with WCS?
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
May 04 2013 10:28 GMT
#564
On May 04 2013 19:20 brrip wrote:
How the mighty have fallen. Still waiting for a GSTL team to get it together the way SlayerS did during their rise. It's amazing that Axiom can do so well with such a small line up, but I don't understand why teams aren't more motivated to prep B teamers to specifically snipe/cheese against certain players. Is GSTL too much of a sideshow with WCS?

It has almost always been, imo.
The only times when it really was a good competition was, when you had
a) a rising player that wants to prove himself and carries his team to victory (DRG before his rise to stardom being the prime example)
b) you have the rare circumstance of a team really trying to win (SlayerS and FXO in the past).

Most of the time the teams themselves don't take it very serious it seems (looking at you IM).
Get off my lawn, young punks
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 10:36:25
May 04 2013 10:35 GMT
#565
On May 04 2013 19:28 ACrow wrote:

Most of the time the teams themselves don't take it very serious it seems (looking at you IM).


This statement is so full of shit.

IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Expez
Profile Joined November 2011
10 Posts
May 04 2013 10:37 GMT
#566
Why the fuck would you put the player names in the recommended games section? The results of the first 5 games was spoiled when I opened the section to see if that day of GSTL was even worth watching.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
May 04 2013 10:45 GMT
#567
On May 04 2013 19:37 Expez wrote:
Why the fuck would you put the player names in the recommended games section? The results of the first 5 games was spoiled when I opened the section to see if that day of GSTL was even worth watching.

Ah you're right that's my bad, sorry.
Moderatorlickypiddy
Folkennn
Profile Joined November 2012
Norway12 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 10:52:30
May 04 2013 10:52 GMT
#568
Somewhere, in my heart, I still love you :'(

Marineking
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
May 04 2013 10:52 GMT
#569
On May 04 2013 19:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 19:28 ACrow wrote:

Most of the time the teams themselves don't take it very serious it seems (looking at you IM).


This statement is so full of shit.

IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out.

Well maybe "not taking it seriously" is not the right way of calling it, but they have definitely lost a lot of games by simply fielding weak players. Yes, it's good to for those players to gain experience that way, but it does show that, in the short run, IM doesn't care about winning this league.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
May 04 2013 10:54 GMT
#570
On May 04 2013 19:52 mechengineer123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 19:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:28 ACrow wrote:

Most of the time the teams themselves don't take it very serious it seems (looking at you IM).


This statement is so full of shit.

IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out.

Well maybe "not taking it seriously" is not the right way of calling it, but they have definitely lost a lot of games by simply fielding weak players. Yes, it's good to for those players to gain experience that way, but it does show that, in the short run, IM doesn't care about winning this league.


You also have to consider that Mvp and NesTea have both stated multiple times that they're uncomfortable playing in the GSTL, especially as the ace.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
brrip
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 10:55:48
May 04 2013 10:55 GMT
#571
On May 04 2013 19:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 19:28 ACrow wrote:

Most of the time the teams themselves don't take it very serious it seems (looking at you IM).


This statement is so full of shit.

IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out.


No need for the "full of shit". Taking a competition seriously = trying to win, not using it like training for your B teamers.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 11:04:46
May 04 2013 10:57 GMT
#572
On May 04 2013 19:55 brrip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 19:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:28 ACrow wrote:

Most of the time the teams themselves don't take it very serious it seems (looking at you IM).


This statement is so full of shit.

IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out.


No need for the "full of shit". Taking a competition seriously = trying to win, not using it like training for your B teamers.


If you were Coach Kang, what would you rather have done: send out Mvp and NesTea and watch them not do very well because, as they said, they don't like being sent out in Team Leagues? Or send out the newbies to train and grow them for future televised matches?

People seem to think IM could've just sent out NesTea and all-killed everybody, but if you actually followed their interviews and matches you would know that's simply not the case. And other than just the players' and coach's words, you can look at their lifetime statistics for Team Leagues (compiled thanks to tlpd): Mvp is 12-12 and NesTea is 3-7. If they were closer to, say, 18-6 and 7-3, you may have had a point, but as it stands you really don't.

IM did the best they possibly could have.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
May 04 2013 11:04 GMT
#573
On May 04 2013 19:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 19:28 ACrow wrote:

Most of the time the teams themselves don't take it very serious it seems (looking at you IM).


This statement is so full of shit.

IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out.

While it is laudable that they used GSTL to train rookies, and exposing them was certainly very successful (great fan of their line-up ), they still didn't take the competition as such seriously. A competition is trying to win. They did not try their best.
Get off my lawn, young punks
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
May 04 2013 11:04 GMT
#574
On May 04 2013 20:04 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 19:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:28 ACrow wrote:

Most of the time the teams themselves don't take it very serious it seems (looking at you IM).


This statement is so full of shit.

IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out.

While it is laudable that they used GSTL to train rookies, and exposing them was certainly very successful (great fan of their line-up ), they still didn't take the competition as such seriously. A competition is trying to win. They did not try their best.


Read my post above.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 11:15:09
May 04 2013 11:12 GMT
#575
On May 04 2013 20:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 20:04 ACrow wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:28 ACrow wrote:

Most of the time the teams themselves don't take it very serious it seems (looking at you IM).


This statement is so full of shit.

IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out.

While it is laudable that they used GSTL to train rookies, and exposing them was certainly very successful (great fan of their line-up ), they still didn't take the competition as such seriously. A competition is trying to win. They did not try their best.


Read my post above.

I did, and it's "full of not so believable points".
MVP and Nestea are pro gamers, acting as if they'd get panic attacks when they're fielded as aces is hard to believe. For me, it sounds more like that the team as a whole is not considering the league as something that is essential to win, which was the origianl point I was trying to make.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
May 04 2013 13:14 GMT
#576
3 games of ryung was all about meh meh and no ?O_O
@taefoxy
betaman
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom355 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 13:52:29
May 04 2013 13:51 GMT
#577
On May 04 2013 17:04 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 17:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 04 2013 16:58 Pyloss wrote:
Gratz to Axiom!

Now, sure the results always are 4-0 or 4-0....i think it would be better to do a BO9 again. Right?


I'd honestly like to see a return to BO9 format. Problem is then Prime would have to send out the coach as an ace.

way to be a dick


Wow, you live in the country that invented sledging and yet you can't take a bit of good natured banter? How do you survive?
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
May 04 2013 15:25 GMT
#578
On May 04 2013 20:12 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 20:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 04 2013 20:04 ACrow wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:28 ACrow wrote:

Most of the time the teams themselves don't take it very serious it seems (looking at you IM).


This statement is so full of shit.

IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out.

While it is laudable that they used GSTL to train rookies, and exposing them was certainly very successful (great fan of their line-up ), they still didn't take the competition as such seriously. A competition is trying to win. They did not try their best.


Read my post above.

I did, and it's "full of not so believable points".
MVP and Nestea are pro gamers, acting as if they'd get panic attacks when they're fielded as aces is hard to believe. For me, it sounds more like that the team as a whole is not considering the league as something that is essential to win, which was the origianl point I was trying to make.


Feel free to dig up their interviews from 2011 and read them then, just like I did at the time.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
May 04 2013 15:50 GMT
#579
On May 05 2013 00:25 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 20:12 ACrow wrote:
On May 04 2013 20:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 04 2013 20:04 ACrow wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:28 ACrow wrote:

Most of the time the teams themselves don't take it very serious it seems (looking at you IM).


This statement is so full of shit.

IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out.

While it is laudable that they used GSTL to train rookies, and exposing them was certainly very successful (great fan of their line-up ), they still didn't take the competition as such seriously. A competition is trying to win. They did not try their best.


Read my post above.

I did, and it's "full of not so believable points".
MVP and Nestea are pro gamers, acting as if they'd get panic attacks when they're fielded as aces is hard to believe. For me, it sounds more like that the team as a whole is not considering the league as something that is essential to win, which was the origianl point I was trying to make.


Feel free to dig up their interviews from 2011 and read them then, just like I did at the time.

MasterOfPuppets is correct, there have been plenty of times when, even at their best, Nestea and MVP didn't consider themselves very good bo1 players in teamleagues.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 04 2013 18:12 GMT
#580
On May 04 2013 22:14 Porishan wrote:
3 games of ryung was all about meh meh and no ?O_O


A little one-sided unfortunately. Watch the ByuN game for a great example of TvT.
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