EPTAt the same time, it's a bit sad to see just how hard Prime have fallen since their... prime (huehuehue).
[GSTL] PRIME vs. Ax-Acer 2013 Season 1 - Page 29
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
At the same time, it's a bit sad to see just how hard Prime have fallen since their... prime (huehuehue). | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On May 04 2013 17:29 TotalBiscuit wrote: Implying it didn't already happen yet you saw no public butthurt from me. I'd have good reason to, as a sponsor and marketing manager whereas you are a fan, you do not have any involvement with PRIME. So get over yourself, take a joke and quit whining. This attitude makes esports a dull affair. Wow that was a brutal beat down.... To be fair, opterown is acknowledged by team Prime as one of their publicists on teamliquid. So he's not just some totally random fan. They even sent him swag if I recall correctly: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=406952 | ||
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brrip
United Kingdom211 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On May 04 2013 19:20 brrip wrote: How the mighty have fallen. Still waiting for a GSTL team to get it together the way SlayerS did during their rise. It's amazing that Axiom can do so well with such a small line up, but I don't understand why teams aren't more motivated to prep B teamers to specifically snipe/cheese against certain players. Is GSTL too much of a sideshow with WCS? It has almost always been, imo. The only times when it really was a good competition was, when you had a) a rising player that wants to prove himself and carries his team to victory (DRG before his rise to stardom being the prime example) b) you have the rare circumstance of a team really trying to win (SlayerS and FXO in the past). Most of the time the teams themselves don't take it very serious it seems (looking at you IM). | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 04 2013 19:28 ACrow wrote: Most of the time the teams themselves don't take it very serious it seems (looking at you IM). This statement is so full of shit. IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out. | ||
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Expez
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On May 04 2013 19:37 Expez wrote: Why the fuck would you put the player names in the recommended games section? The results of the first 5 games was spoiled when I opened the section to see if that day of GSTL was even worth watching. Ah you're right that's my bad, sorry. | ||
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Folkennn
Norway12 Posts
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
On May 04 2013 19:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote: This statement is so full of shit. IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out. Well maybe "not taking it seriously" is not the right way of calling it, but they have definitely lost a lot of games by simply fielding weak players. Yes, it's good to for those players to gain experience that way, but it does show that, in the short run, IM doesn't care about winning this league. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 04 2013 19:52 mechengineer123 wrote: Well maybe "not taking it seriously" is not the right way of calling it, but they have definitely lost a lot of games by simply fielding weak players. Yes, it's good to for those players to gain experience that way, but it does show that, in the short run, IM doesn't care about winning this league. You also have to consider that Mvp and NesTea have both stated multiple times that they're uncomfortable playing in the GSTL, especially as the ace. | ||
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brrip
United Kingdom211 Posts
On May 04 2013 19:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote: This statement is so full of shit. IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out. No need for the "full of shit". Taking a competition seriously = trying to win, not using it like training for your B teamers. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 04 2013 19:55 brrip wrote: No need for the "full of shit". Taking a competition seriously = trying to win, not using it like training for your B teamers. If you were Coach Kang, what would you rather have done: send out Mvp and NesTea and watch them not do very well because, as they said, they don't like being sent out in Team Leagues? Or send out the newbies to train and grow them for future televised matches? People seem to think IM could've just sent out NesTea and all-killed everybody, but if you actually followed their interviews and matches you would know that's simply not the case. And other than just the players' and coach's words, you can look at their lifetime statistics for Team Leagues (compiled thanks to tlpd): Mvp is 12-12 and NesTea is 3-7. If they were closer to, say, 18-6 and 7-3, you may have had a point, but as it stands you really don't. IM did the best they possibly could have. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On May 04 2013 19:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote: This statement is so full of shit. IM took it seriously, not in terms of trying to win it, but in terms of trying to give their other players a chance to get more experience and exposure. Even though IM have done poorly for a while in team leagues, the experience that their other players got from it is why they have eventually produced champions such as First, Seed, YoDa and YongHwa and other strong players such as LosirA and Happy, instead of relying on Mvp and NesTea forever and eventually dying out. While it is laudable that they used GSTL to train rookies, and exposing them was certainly very successful (great fan of their line-up  ), they still didn't take the competition as such seriously. A competition is trying to win. They did not try their best. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 04 2013 20:04 ACrow wrote: While it is laudable that they used GSTL to train rookies, and exposing them was certainly very successful (great fan of their line-up ), they still didn't take the competition as such seriously. A competition is trying to win. They did not try their best. Read my post above. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
I did, and it's "full of not so believable points". MVP and Nestea are pro gamers, acting as if they'd get panic attacks when they're fielded as aces is hard to believe. For me, it sounds more like that the team as a whole is not considering the league as something that is essential to win, which was the origianl point I was trying to make. | ||
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Taefox
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betaman
United Kingdom355 Posts
Wow, you live in the country that invented sledging and yet you can't take a bit of good natured banter? How do you survive? | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 04 2013 20:12 ACrow wrote: I did, and it's "full of not so believable points". MVP and Nestea are pro gamers, acting as if they'd get panic attacks when they're fielded as aces is hard to believe. For me, it sounds more like that the team as a whole is not considering the league as something that is essential to win, which was the origianl point I was trying to make. Feel free to dig up their interviews from 2011 and read them then, just like I did at the time. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On May 05 2013 00:25 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Feel free to dig up their interviews from 2011 and read them then, just like I did at the time. MasterOfPuppets is correct, there have been plenty of times when, even at their best, Nestea and MVP didn't consider themselves very good bo1 players in teamleagues. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On May 04 2013 22:14 Porishan wrote: 3 games of ryung was all about meh meh and no ?O_O A little one-sided unfortunately. Watch the ByuN game for a great example of TvT. | ||
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