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[GSTL] PRIME vs. Ax-Acer 2013 Season 1 - Page 28

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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 04 2013 08:02 GMT
#541
On May 04 2013 16:58 Pyloss wrote:
Gratz to Axiom!

Now, sure the results always are 4-0 or 4-0....i think it would be better to do a BO9 again. Right?


I'd honestly like to see a return to BO9 format. Problem is then Prime would have to send out the coach as an ace.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 08:06:38
May 04 2013 08:03 GMT
#542
On May 04 2013 17:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 16:58 Pyloss wrote:
Gratz to Axiom!

Now, sure the results always are 4-0 or 4-0....i think it would be better to do a BO9 again. Right?


I'd honestly like to see a return to BO9 format. Problem is then Prime would have to send out the coach as an ace.

ROFL, you are so mean.

In all seriousness, was the format discussed beforehand with the teams?
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
May 04 2013 08:04 GMT
#543
On May 04 2013 16:54 MajOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 16:13 opterown wrote:
On May 04 2013 16:12 GunSec wrote:
lmao Prime doesn't have one good player anymore

#1GM last season pretty bad right



i got news for you, ladder dont matter yesterday mkp played jaehoon for some showmatch thing jaehoon dont even play ladder and he 3-1 him really easy, ladder is just points

But Major, you predicted Bogus's rise to glory, how did you see that if not from his ladder success?
jjakji fan
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 04 2013 08:04 GMT
#544
On May 04 2013 17:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 16:58 Pyloss wrote:
Gratz to Axiom!

Now, sure the results always are 4-0 or 4-0....i think it would be better to do a BO9 again. Right?


I'd honestly like to see a return to BO9 format. Problem is then Prime would have to send out the coach as an ace.

way to be a dick
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
May 04 2013 08:05 GMT
#545
Ahaha, as such a high-profile person, TB, you don't seem to be too much concerned about professionalism.
jjakji fan
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
May 04 2013 08:09 GMT
#546
What's wrong with trash talk?
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
May 04 2013 08:10 GMT
#547
On May 04 2013 17:05 slowbacontron wrote:
Ahaha, as such a high-profile person, TB, you don't seem to be too much concerned about professionalism.


Or he's just taking a different approach than the usual. You can manage a brand/company in different ways, being overly passionate and showing it to the public is one way.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
May 04 2013 08:10 GMT
#548
On May 04 2013 17:04 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 17:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 04 2013 16:58 Pyloss wrote:
Gratz to Axiom!

Now, sure the results always are 4-0 or 4-0....i think it would be better to do a BO9 again. Right?


I'd honestly like to see a return to BO9 format. Problem is then Prime would have to send out the coach as an ace.

way to be a dick


Watch out Opter, or he'll send his legion of fanbois after you...
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Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 08:13:17
May 04 2013 08:12 GMT
#549
On May 04 2013 17:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 16:58 Pyloss wrote:
Gratz to Axiom!

Now, sure the results always are 4-0 or 4-0....i think it would be better to do a BO9 again. Right?


I'd honestly like to see a return to BO9 format. Problem is then Prime would have to send out the coach as an ace.


5 players for BO9 are not that many. Even you can afford them.
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
May 04 2013 08:13 GMT
#550
On May 04 2013 16:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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On May 04 2013 16:08 Evil_Sheep wrote: It seems like terrans always have the advantage in the lategame with vikings to snipe your colossi and ghosts to EMP and snipe your templar, whichever tech path you choose, they can hard counter it.


Unless you're CranK.

The thing about that style is that Terran are starting to get seriously overcommitted to the hard-counters and it's fucking them badly. How many times have you seen Terrans make the "perfect" comp, only to have it picked apart? Once they're lose either their Ghosts or their Vikings, the Protoss just rolls over them because they spent too much supply on specialist units and not enough on DPS and meat. That style relies on the Protoss getting a bad engagement, at which point you can kill them, but if the Protoss is playing defensively and picking you apart with runbys and warp-prism play, you are forced into a nasty engagement where the Protoss has the upper hand.

SC2 is not a game of hard-counters and if you play it like one, you will lose a lot.

I don't think terrans are overcommitted to hard counters, they hardly have a choice. If they don't hard counter they're fucked. I'm not sure hard counter is the right word, because it's not like an auto-win like mass mutas vs anion crystal. There are still lots of ways for protoss to win, it just makes it a lot harder when your tech gets countered.

The earlier game with Creator and Ryung was a good example. Creator went templar tech so Ryung countered with ghosts, got in the EMP and snipes right before the big engagement, and just destroyed Creator's deathball. Even Crank v Byun, Byun was getting ahead because he was so effective at sniping the templar. But when it came down to the big engagement, I don't know if Byun mismicro'd or what, but he didn't get one snipe off and Crank unleashed like a million storms and evaporated ~70 supply in a heartbeat. If Byun had been as on top of his snipe micro as he had during the whole game I think it would've been a very different outcome.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 04 2013 08:15 GMT
#551
Wow Crank played so well against Byun! Excellent control throughout, though I'm surprised Byun didn't deal with that proxy pylon that gave him so much grief at his third.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 04 2013 08:21 GMT
#552
On May 04 2013 17:04 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 17:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 04 2013 16:58 Pyloss wrote:
Gratz to Axiom!

Now, sure the results always are 4-0 or 4-0....i think it would be better to do a BO9 again. Right?


I'd honestly like to see a return to BO9 format. Problem is then Prime would have to send out the coach as an ace.

way to be a dick


Better email the sponsors. Oh wait.

Actually can I interview you? I find you really interesting. You are the first Australian in the world who can't take a joke.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 04 2013 08:26 GMT
#553
On May 04 2013 17:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 17:04 opterown wrote:
On May 04 2013 17:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 04 2013 16:58 Pyloss wrote:
Gratz to Axiom!

Now, sure the results always are 4-0 or 4-0....i think it would be better to do a BO9 again. Right?


I'd honestly like to see a return to BO9 format. Problem is then Prime would have to send out the coach as an ace.

way to be a dick


Better email the sponsors. Oh wait.

Actually can I interview you? I find you really interesting. You are the first Australian in the world who can't take a joke.

poor form to kick a team when it's down, you didn't see me dissing your team last week when they got all-killed. better to cheer for a team than to diss other teams in my opinion.

i can take a joke fine, i think you'll be similarly unamused if someone dicks about similarly to your team
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 04 2013 08:29 GMT
#554
On May 04 2013 17:26 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 17:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 04 2013 17:04 opterown wrote:
On May 04 2013 17:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 04 2013 16:58 Pyloss wrote:
Gratz to Axiom!

Now, sure the results always are 4-0 or 4-0....i think it would be better to do a BO9 again. Right?


I'd honestly like to see a return to BO9 format. Problem is then Prime would have to send out the coach as an ace.

way to be a dick


Better email the sponsors. Oh wait.

Actually can I interview you? I find you really interesting. You are the first Australian in the world who can't take a joke.

poor form to kick a team when it's down, you didn't see me dissing your team last week when they got all-killed. better to cheer for a team than to diss other teams in my opinion.

i can take a joke fine, i think you'll be similarly unamused if someone dicks about similarly to your team


Implying it didn't already happen yet you saw no public butthurt from me. I'd have good reason to, as a sponsor and marketing manager whereas you are a fan, you do not have any involvement with PRIME. So get over yourself, take a joke and quit whining. This attitude makes esports a dull affair.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
May 04 2013 08:29 GMT
#555
Do you hear that sound? It's the sound of my anti-team gently bending me over and taking me from behind.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 04 2013 08:34 GMT
#556
TB is right.

Prime should be shit on for sending the same four players over and over. I don't care if they're by far your four best players. When a team knows who your four players are and know that you aren't even going to use a Zerg, they can have a player to snipe Creator and then focus solely on beating up Terran.

The other kids on Prime may be green as hell and get their ass kicked, but at least give them booth experience or give them a strategy to bust out. No one knows about these guys, and they could really be an ace up your sleeve with no one having information about them. If they aren't good enough to be brought out for GSTL, then kick them off the team or just put them as practice partners.

It might make a bit of sense if they had the four players going out and had all three races represented, but three Terran and a single Protoss? Jeez.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 08:47:33
May 04 2013 08:40 GMT
#557
On May 04 2013 17:34 Fionn wrote:
TB is right.

Prime should be shit on for sending the same four players over and over. I don't care if they're by far your four best players. When a team knows who your four players are and know that you aren't even going to use a Zerg, they can have a player to snipe Creator and then focus solely on beating up Terran.

The other kids on Prime may be green as hell and get their ass kicked, but at least give them booth experience or give them a strategy to bust out. No one knows about these guys, and they could really be an ace up your sleeve with no one having information about them. If they aren't good enough to be brought out for GSTL, then kick them off the team or just put them as practice partners.

It might make a bit of sense if they had the four players going out and had all three races represented, but three Terran and a single Protoss? Jeez.


Yeah it seems like if you're sending your best possible lineup and still getting stomped, you might as well send some of your rookies into the booth because that experience is really invaluable. I guess I can't talk too much since I don't know Prime's situation at all, but it seems like strictly a terrible idea to use virtually the same lineup in every match for pretty much as long as I can remember. Hell, they had an almost identical lineup way back when they won GSTL, that's how long it's been. IMO Prime needs to prioritize training the new blood via booth experience, especially if their best possible lineup is already getting beaten (even by NSHS). The fact that Byun seems to be the only Prime player who handled the HotS transition well doesn't help much.
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
May 04 2013 08:42 GMT
#558
On May 04 2013 17:34 Fionn wrote:
TB is right.

Prime should be shit on for sending the same four players over and over. I don't care if they're by far your four best players. When a team knows who your four players are and know that you aren't even going to use a Zerg, they can have a player to snipe Creator and then focus solely on beating up Terran.

The other kids on Prime may be green as hell and get their ass kicked, but at least give them booth experience or give them a strategy to bust out. No one knows about these guys, and they could really be an ace up your sleeve with no one having information about them. If they aren't good enough to be brought out for GSTL, then kick them off the team or just put them as practice partners.

It might make a bit of sense if they had the four players going out and had all three races represented, but three Terran and a single Protoss? Jeez.

The problem I might see with putting other players, is that actually they do not have strategies to bust out. Look at the quartet which is playing over and over. 3 terrans have similar style of playing, there is no shred of preparation vs. a given team/opponent. They are soooooo predictable. If that is the line of practice the whole team is going with, then I cant see anyone getting sent out instead of the quartet because there is simply no point.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
May 04 2013 09:25 GMT
#559
Wow AxiomAcer is doing better than I ever expected. Also Ryung will win WCS NA now that "IMBAIMBAIMBA" no longer exists.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 04 2013 09:33 GMT
#560
Well this is disappointing albeit not unexpected at this point...
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