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Sup3rior
Sweden442 Posts
On April 28 2013 22:29 SayTT wrote: Hi, you need to cry one more time to win the magical unicorn. That unicorn will fly you away to the land where there is no Naniwa in top 2 of dreamhack stockholm open 2013. hahaha wtfpwnd!!! | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On April 28 2013 22:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: IMO you shouldn't be playing best of 3's so late in the tournament it has to be best of five semis at least and preferably best of five quarters too. ofc there are always time issues, but imo bo5 for all bracket games (unless there's double elim in which case bo3 is ok) and bo7 finals works best. bo7 semis is a bit too much imo | ||
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Kaewins
Bulgaria138 Posts
On April 28 2013 22:29 SayTT wrote: Hi, you need to cry one more time to win the magical unicorn. That unicorn will fly you away to the land where there is no Naniwa in top 2 of dreamhack stockholm open 2013. Oh, you got it all wrong. The ones crying are Naniwa's fanboys. I simply express my opinion. I know it hurts you, but it is what it is. I have no issue with Naniwa's presence in top 2 of Dreamhack, mind you. The way he got there just shows to me, that we shouldn't rush to declare him the best foreigner. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 28 2013 22:54 opterown wrote: ofc there are always time issues, but imo bo5 for all bracket games (unless there's double elim in which case bo3 is ok) and bo7 finals works best. bo7 semis is a bit too much imo Agreed, for weekend lan's bo7 semis is too much and can be a bit dull especially if it's a stomp or not the best players are involved. For GSL style events though best of 7 semis is fine. It's well worth sacrificing time in other areas to make sure you can play best of five in the knockout games. Another positive I have about Dreamhack is the lack of a 3rd place game, those are terrible and should never ever be in any tournament. They are boring games and so often push the event on too long so people have to go to bed and miss the finals. | ||
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
i can understand DH scheduling issues since it's a 2 day event, the first day was already chock full of series and so was the second day. a 3-day event would be cool (2 groups stages day 1, one group stage day 2 with a few bracket games, and the final 8 players on day 3 or something) | ||
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herMan
Japan2057 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacktv/b/396294648 At 10:09:30 | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 28 2013 22:59 opterown wrote: the 3/4th place game though can be important if the finalists need rest in between their series I'd rather just have 30-40 minutes downtime, than 20 minutes downtime to setup, an hour (or even longer) to play the series then another 20 minutes downtime to setup the final. So often as a European when I watch US events it's really touch and go whether I can stay up for the final and get at least some sleep for work the next day. I'm happy to stay up until 1am (I wake up at 5am) but later than that is really pushing it. So of course it fucks me right off when it gets to 11pm and they're like "now it's time for a best of seven third place game", which drags on for 2 hours including downtime. Obviously some American is going to quote this giving me a whole manner of bullshit about American events catering for American people, but Europeans are 30-40% of the audience so it seems obvious to me that they should try and accommodate both us and North Americans unless they want vastly reduced viewing figures for their finals. i can understand DH scheduling issues since it's a 2 day event, the first day was already chock full of series and so was the second day. a 3-day event would be cool (2 groups stages day 1, one group stage day 2 with a few bracket games, and the final 8 players on day 3 or something) Or just skip the 1st group stage entirely? It was pretty pointless. | ||
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hastur420
Belize178 Posts
On April 28 2013 22:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: MC's a bit overrated in this regard and like Stephano his winnings/success is in large part to them both attending basically every tournament going. No doubt they're both great players but they've won a lot of money from second tier LAN events without ever taking down an MLG or an IPL once they started bringing all of Code S over. umm... Stephano beat mma, revival, puzzle, lucky, thestc, inori, violet in ipl3. even if the whole code s wasn't there his road to the finals was like one of the hardest for a foreigner ever. also nasl was just as impressive, he beat hero and mc in a row where those 2 were considered best pvz'ers in the world. don't know why you bring Stephano into this, main reason he got famous was that he won tournaments by raping koreans... | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On April 28 2013 23:00 herMan wrote: Does anyone know the song played during the Naniwa and Jaedong entrance walk? http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacktv/b/396294648 At 10:09:30 Is this it? | ||
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On April 28 2013 22:02 opterown wrote: life's 2 MLGs and one ISQ (not reaallyyy a weekend tourney anyway) are not close to Leenock's achievements on weekend tournaments. MC's only gotten one IEM and one HSC as well (and a non-premier redbull as well i guess) Add Blizzard Cup, it's certainly a weekend tournament. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 28 2013 23:28 hastur420 wrote: umm... Stephano beat mma, revival, puzzle, lucky, thestc, inori, violet in ipl3. even if the whole code s wasn't there his road to the finals was like one of the hardest for a foreigner ever. also nasl was just as impressive, he beat hero and mc in a row where those 2 were considered best pvz'ers in the world. don't know why you bring Stephano into this, main reason he got famous was that he won tournaments by raping koreans... Stephano didn't beat MMA at IPL3, I'm not sure any of the player he beat were Code S at the time. But aside from that none of that disproves anything I said at all, in fact I don't think you even read it. Stephano and MC have both won weekend LAN's with a 6/10 or 7/10 level lineups but neither have won a weekend LAN with a 9/10 or 10/10 lineup like Leenock has three times. | ||
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TheSilverfox
Sweden1928 Posts
Here you have the Spotify Playlist: http://open.spotify.com/user/toiva/playlist/2Yyeby9c6BJZeecEqQ9lNR | ||
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hastur420
Belize178 Posts
On April 28 2013 23:36 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Stephano didn't beat MMA at IPL3, I'm not sure any of the player he beat were Code S at the time. But aside from that none of that disproves anything I said at all, in fact I don't think you even read it. Stephano and MC have both won weekend LAN's with a 6/10 or 7/10 level lineups but neither have won a weekend LAN with a 9/10 or 10/10 lineup like Leenock has three times. he beat mma in the qualifiers. mma and puzzlewere code s, the others were code a/b but not like there aren't code s caliber players in code b... completely unnecessary attempt to shit on stephano who at that time beat like every korean, was by far the most succesful foreigner for the longest time, and nobody even mentioned him so far here... or are we just mentioning titles that random players won more than others? how about leenock vs mc, gsl wins? that would be completely unnecessary too yeah. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 28 2013 23:46 hastur420 wrote: he beat mma in the qualifiers. mma and puzzlewere code s, the others were code a/b but not like there aren't code s caliber players in code b... completely unnecessary attempt to shit on stephano who at that time beat like every korean, was by far the most succesful foreigner for the longest time, and nobody even mentioned him so far here... or are we just mentioning titles that random players won more than others? how about leenock vs mc, gsl wins? that would be completely unnecessary too yeah. Wind your neck in kid and stop being such a baby. Or can't you take any criticism of Stephano without crying? The qualifiers were online (and therefore meaningless) and iirc both players had already qualified anyway (thus making them even lower than meaningless, Naniwa vs Nestea probe rush levels of meaninglessness) The conversation was that Leenock is the most successful player of all time in terms of foreign weekend LAN events. Someone claimed MC was comparable which I correctly pointed out isn't true because he's never won an event where 90% of the absolute elite of the Sc2 scene were present. So while MC's probably won more money at these events his results aren't the equal of Leenock's, another example of this being Stephano who also has probably made more money than Leenock at foreign LAN's but like MC hasn't been anywhere near as sucessful because he's never won an event where 90% of Code S turned up, Leenock has won three such events and reached the final of another. I don't think MC or Stephano have even made the final of such an event, unless you count MLG Orlando where MC lost to Huk, but imo that lineup was more of a 7/10 or 8/10. I don't give a shit whether Stephano is the most successful foreigner because that is not what was being discussed right now, we were talking about the best LAN player in Sc2 history. Stephano is not a contender for this, or are you such a fanboy you can't accept that? | ||
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hastur420
Belize178 Posts
pretty pathetic that you feel the need to shit on other players while showing your adoration of leenock... he won more than MC yeah that's true. a lot of MC's money is from the open season and he had a lot of 2nd-3rd etc placements where he got a lot of money from. but why bring stephano in for example? let me show you how it's done if you don't want to look like an ass. "wow xy player is really good he won a tournament again! that is his yth tournament wow he is so awesome" let me show you how an ass does it: "wow xy player is really good, he is better than [insert random player out of thin air the ass just wants to shit on for no reason] who is overrated and when he won it wasn't as though and he entered every tournament!!!!!!!!!!!!!" see now you can proudly identify yourself as the 2nd one, congrats. i'm not a fanboy of anyone, don't make weak attempts. why is it even necessary to compare the two? it feels like you just don't like stephano which is fine, but this dreamhack and leenock has basically nothing to do with him. also Stephano won A LOT of tournaments. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 29 2013 00:04 hastur420 wrote: i didn't even compare the two, obviously leenock won more. pretty pathetic that you feel the need to shit on other players while showing your adoration of leenock... he won more than MC yeah that's true. a lot of MC's money is from the open season and he had a lot of 2nd-3rd etc placements where he got a lot of money from. let me show you how it's done if you don't want to look like an ass. "wow xy player is really good he won a tournament again! that is his yth tournament wow he is so awesome" let me show you how an ass does it: "wow xy player is really good, he is better than [insert random player out of thin air the ass just wants to shit on for no reason] who is overrated and when he won it wasn't as though!!!!!!!!!!!!!" see now you can proudly identify yourself as the 2nd one, congrats. i'm not a fanboy of anyone, don't make weak attempts. MC is one of my favourite players, much more so than Leenock who I'm pretty indifferent to. I was definitely not shitting on MC, just stating facts. If everyone posted like your first example (about 80% of TL do anyway) this forum would be the most inane, boring, circle jerk fest going. Debate is what makes forums worth posting on, posting "yayy <insert random player> is great at this game" is fucking boring and belongs solely in the infinite circle jerk quagmire of the 'fanclub' section. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
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hastur420
Belize178 Posts
On April 29 2013 00:09 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: MC is one of my favourite players, much more so than Leenock who I'm pretty indifferent to. I was definitely not shitting on MC, just stating facts. If everyone posted like your first example (about 80% of TL do anyway) this forum would be the most inane, boring, circle jerk fest going. Debate is what makes forums worth posting on, posting "yayy <insert random player> is great at this game" is fucking boring and belongs solely in the infinite circle jerk quagmire of the 'fanclub' section. yeah probably it's boring, and maybe the MC comparison was justified, but the stephano one wasn't. | ||
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ratbert
Germany1041 Posts
 but i wonder why theres no discussion about Polt, who (for me at least) had the most underwhelming result of all compared to what was expected beforehand. and NaNis incredible 2nd place makes me hope he'll destroy WCS EU | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 29 2013 00:28 ratbert wrote: wouldn't be a tourney LR thread 1 day after it has finished without some nice pro / con stephano discussion featuring aeroplaneoverthesea but i wonder why theres no discussion about Polt, who (for me at least) had the most underwhelming result of all compared to what was expected beforehand. and NaNis incredible 2nd place makes me hope he'll destroy WCS EU I don't think you can read too much into the results of a player in one tournament. Polt was overrated by the TL prediction team but good players have always had random terrible tournaments. There are no extremely consistent players in Sc2. | ||
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