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Pippi
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden540 Posts
April 28 2013 18:48 GMT
#11101
Terrans have been doing really good or just as good as the zerg and protoss in previous hots-tournaments so far. The game is still being figured out and thats why I think every tournament for a while will have different races doing great.

Anyway, congrats leenock for a well deserved victory.
Toast and coffe
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 28 2013 19:35 GMT
#11102
On April 29 2013 02:19 syroz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 01:32 Tobon wrote:
On April 28 2013 21:50 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Leenock was phenomenal this tournament and cemented his place as the greatest weekend LAN player in Sc2 history.


Which events do you count as Weekend LANs? Dreamhack, MLG, IEM, HomeStory.. which others? For just the events mentioned...

By win percentage (with at least 50 wins to remove people who got lucky once or twice):

#1: Leenock 123-47 (72%)
#2: MVP 91-39 (70%)
#3: MMA 80-34 (70%)
#4: MarineKing 146-65 (69%)
#5: Polt 107-47 (69%)

By games won:

#1: MC 260-149 (63%) -- would be #13 on the win percentage list
#2: HuK 225-151 (59%) -- would be #19 on the win percentage list
#3: Socke 201-183 (52%)
#4: NaNiwa 196-135 (59%) -- would be #20 on the win percentage list
#5: Ret 187-177 (51%)

Obviously the foreigners are in the games won list because they are AT those events much more often than any Korean except for MC. These are still really respectable numbers for the people on that list, but clearly Leenock has made the most of his opportunities in the weekend LAN setting.

(Aligulac is awesome. Thanks for the data!)



Lol, useless. Wait for an accurate WCS rank, it was done for that.


Yeah, the popular and well-known WCS "weekend LAN rank" metric. How silly of me not to realize I was wasting my time here.
lyxarn
Profile Joined April 2013
Sweden65 Posts
April 28 2013 19:54 GMT
#11103
Anyone knows where I can find the "Dat Esports Money" video of Incontrol and Robert Ohlen in a limo?
"Dota isn't about kills, Dota isn't about gold either. Dota is about winning and taking down the opponents throne." - Loda -
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
April 28 2013 19:56 GMT
#11104
On April 29 2013 04:54 lyxarn wrote:
Anyone knows where I can find the "Dat Esports Money" video of Incontrol and Robert Ohlen in a limo?


That and more here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410042
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
April 28 2013 21:02 GMT
#11105
Hey guys, JD vs. Gumiho, game 2 - 23:20 - sexiest muta split ever against the widow mines at Gumiho's 3rd. Watching the VOD and it's so sick.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
FlyingSteaks
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil433 Posts
April 28 2013 21:12 GMT
#11106
I'm really happy that JD got to the semifinals, pity he didn't win the tournament
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
April 28 2013 21:40 GMT
#11107
Where are people watching VODs? I would like to do so as well. Ty.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Extenz
Profile Joined October 2011
Italy822 Posts
April 28 2013 21:50 GMT
#11108
anyone knows if there are replays of the game not streamed? like mc's games etc..
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
April 28 2013 21:53 GMT
#11109
On April 29 2013 06:40 IPA wrote:
Where are people watching VODs? I would like to do so as well. Ty.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_DreamHack_Open/Stockholm#Streams_.26_VODs

Only sc2links and sc2ratings have sorted ones, as far as I know.

(Reposting. We should have post-tournament updates in the op or perhaps mod notes for these FAQ's)
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
April 28 2013 21:55 GMT
#11110
On April 28 2013 05:13 Shikyo wrote:
Can't win in macro game -> better cheese

Cannot defend all ins -> guilt players into playing macro game
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 28 2013 23:54 GMT
#11111
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Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
April 29 2013 00:04 GMT
#11112
I would like to thank DH, the players and the crowd for making this event one of the most memorable esports experience ever.
Snoodles
Profile Joined March 2012
401 Posts
April 29 2013 00:17 GMT
#11113
On April 29 2013 08:54 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 06:55 Spidinko wrote:
On April 28 2013 05:13 Shikyo wrote:
Can't win in macro game -> better cheese

Cannot defend all ins -> guilt players into playing macro game

Defending all ins is easy though (except for immo/sentry. It is just hard to know what is coming. As the all inning player you are basically hoping that the other player opens greedy and doesn't scout perfectly.

Macro players are infinitely more skilled then all inners and cheesers.



FFS not this debate again. It's a series. Knowing the right time to cheese is a good skill in a series. Several of the best Korean players started out as 1 base heroes. This attitude of only macro play is valid holds people back.
Balfazar
Profile Joined November 2008
Australia483 Posts
April 29 2013 00:23 GMT
#11114
On April 28 2013 17:18 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 13:30 Balfazar wrote:
On April 28 2013 12:38 TheDougler wrote:
On April 28 2013 09:33 EnumaAvalon wrote:
On April 28 2013 09:22 xgtx wrote:
there are 7 zergs in code s right now , leenock is none of them and you guys are saying leenock is beside life the best zerg ? ......


Have you seen Leenock's ZvZ in the tourney? So sick!


I think the best thing about the group of death is Roro must HATE it. Seriously, Leenock is great but Roro might legitimately be the best Zerg right now. Until he is eliminated from GSL that is a fairly reasonable claim. He's still sick good in pro league, and is the defending GSL champion.


No problem, it just means people will keep underestimating him as he rolls over everyone. Life has more visibility because he has been winning international events, but Roro has more success in the toughest arena and he is my pick to take the season.


Life has won 2 GSL's, as well as everything else. Roro has more success in the toughest arena?


Life has won one GSL, so he is equal with Roro in that regard. Of course Roro beat Life on the way to his GSL, which I would argue is an easy tiebreaker.

Looking at the three GSL Code S they have both participated in:

2012 Season 5 - Roro ro32, Life ro16
2013 Season 1 - Roro winner, Life ro16
2013 Season 2 (ongoing) - Both ro16 thus far, Roro 4-0'ed his group while Life went 4-2

Clear that Roro comes out ahead. Conclusion is that Life is rated higher due to international results. None of this bothers me, it simply makes being a Roro fan more fun.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
April 29 2013 00:30 GMT
#11115
On April 29 2013 09:23 Balfazar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 17:18 zefreak wrote:
On April 28 2013 13:30 Balfazar wrote:
On April 28 2013 12:38 TheDougler wrote:
On April 28 2013 09:33 EnumaAvalon wrote:
On April 28 2013 09:22 xgtx wrote:
there are 7 zergs in code s right now , leenock is none of them and you guys are saying leenock is beside life the best zerg ? ......


Have you seen Leenock's ZvZ in the tourney? So sick!


I think the best thing about the group of death is Roro must HATE it. Seriously, Leenock is great but Roro might legitimately be the best Zerg right now. Until he is eliminated from GSL that is a fairly reasonable claim. He's still sick good in pro league, and is the defending GSL champion.


No problem, it just means people will keep underestimating him as he rolls over everyone. Life has more visibility because he has been winning international events, but Roro has more success in the toughest arena and he is my pick to take the season.


Life has won 2 GSL's, as well as everything else. Roro has more success in the toughest arena?


Life has won one GSL, so he is equal with Roro in that regard. Of course Roro beat Life on the way to his GSL, which I would argue is an easy tiebreaker.

Looking at the three GSL Code S they have both participated in:

2012 Season 5 - Roro ro32, Life ro16
2013 Season 1 - Roro winner, Life ro16
2013 Season 2 (ongoing) - Both ro16 thus far, Roro 4-0'ed his group while Life went 4-2

Clear that Roro comes out ahead. Conclusion is that Life is rated higher due to international results. None of this bothers me, it simply makes being a Roro fan more fun.


did you forget about the blizz cup?
can i get my estro logo back pls
Balfazar
Profile Joined November 2008
Australia483 Posts
April 29 2013 00:31 GMT
#11116
Not sure what you mean by forget, I deliberately excluded it as this discussion is focused on GSL.
Brexas
Profile Joined January 2013
Spain34 Posts
April 29 2013 00:56 GMT
#11117
Anyone knows where can we get the replay pack? Is it available already?
"I play a lot of sniper right now" -ReDeYe
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 29 2013 01:08 GMT
#11118
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mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
April 29 2013 01:17 GMT
#11119
On April 29 2013 09:23 Balfazar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 17:18 zefreak wrote:
On April 28 2013 13:30 Balfazar wrote:
On April 28 2013 12:38 TheDougler wrote:
On April 28 2013 09:33 EnumaAvalon wrote:
On April 28 2013 09:22 xgtx wrote:
there are 7 zergs in code s right now , leenock is none of them and you guys are saying leenock is beside life the best zerg ? ......


Have you seen Leenock's ZvZ in the tourney? So sick!


I think the best thing about the group of death is Roro must HATE it. Seriously, Leenock is great but Roro might legitimately be the best Zerg right now. Until he is eliminated from GSL that is a fairly reasonable claim. He's still sick good in pro league, and is the defending GSL champion.


No problem, it just means people will keep underestimating him as he rolls over everyone. Life has more visibility because he has been winning international events, but Roro has more success in the toughest arena and he is my pick to take the season.


Life has won 2 GSL's, as well as everything else. Roro has more success in the toughest arena?


Life has won one GSL, so he is equal with Roro in that regard. Of course Roro beat Life on the way to his GSL, which I would argue is an easy tiebreaker.

Looking at the three GSL Code S they have both participated in:

2012 Season 5 - Roro ro32, Life ro16
2013 Season 1 - Roro winner, Life ro16
2013 Season 2 (ongoing) - Both ro16 thus far, Roro 4-0'ed his group while Life went 4-2

Clear that Roro comes out ahead. Conclusion is that Life is rated higher due to international results. None of this bothers me, it simply makes being a Roro fan more fun.



well Roro didnt have to face Leenock and Parting to go through. Also Blizz cup counts as one GSL so its actually two
blizz cups he won.
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
rpgalon
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil1069 Posts
April 29 2013 01:24 GMT
#11120
On April 29 2013 08:54 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 06:55 Spidinko wrote:
On April 28 2013 05:13 Shikyo wrote:
Can't win in macro game -> better cheese

Cannot defend all ins -> guilt players into playing macro game

Defending all ins is easy though (except for immo/sentry. It is just hard to know what is coming. As the all inning player you are basically hoping that the other player opens greedy and doesn't scout perfectly.

Macro players are infinitely more skilled then all inners and cheesers.

except that protoss can't macro on some maps
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