EPTOn April 17 2013 21:50 ZenithM wrote:
At least he's right in that Proleague is far superior to GSTL :/
At least he's right in that Proleague is far superior to GSTL :/
To each his own. GSTL has been awesome lately.
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
To each his own. GSTL has been awesome lately. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:49 MCDayC wrote: Why isn't gumi getting a mention, he came 1st ahead of bogusmang? Because as always he'll eventually play a series where his entire plan falls apart multiple times, exiting the GSL early. I like gumiho and he's a high level player but never really was a title contender. | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:46 CCa1ss1e wrote: with what I'm seeing now, I can't help but wonder what units and upgrades there will be for legacy of the void. Toss games would be more entertaining if they werent always so deathball ish They seriously have to address that in LotV Toss's games are basically "i make ball, watch ball grow" | ||
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wangstra
922 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:45 flodeskum wrote: Pulling probes doesn't work at all. Pulling SCVs works because marines have massive DPS but low HP, so using SCVs to tank will allow your marines to put out more DPS. Protoss units have low DPS (aside from the zealot which would be blocked by the probes) and high HP. The probes would not give your stalkers enough time to kill anything worthwhile. Also, if you hold after losing probes you will be way behind due to mules. So it is almost never worth it. This logic is blowing my mind. Rain was dead with that many scvs pulled. You're arguing that bringing more units into the fight was useless even though that's the only option he has to have any leg in the game? How can you argue against using your only option when you are otherwise going to get killed? It's the only option. And I know it works. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:51 Vindicare605 wrote: To each his own. GSTL has been awesome lately. The games are better, but best of 7 is just so blah. Proleague format gets me more invested If it were best of 9 still I'd like GSTL better, maybe. | ||
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Berceno
Spain401 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:50 ZenithM wrote: At least he's right in that Proleague is far superior to GSTL :/ I'll take GSTL ty. edit- yeh, I don't like Bo7 either, though. disliking that change  | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:51 Vindicare605 wrote: To each his own. GSTL has been awesome lately. MKP is playing bad -> GSTL is dead to me. :D | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:51 Vindicare605 wrote: To each his own. GSTL has been awesome lately. Hes right. The games in SPL, most of them arent high level. but Ive watched the GSTL and most of those arent high level either. Players are struggling to find a niche. But SPL is more entertaining than GSTL. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:51 Derez wrote: Because as always he'll eventually play a series where his entire plan falls apart multiple times, exiting the GSL early. I like gumiho and he's a high level player but never really was a title contender. yeah, he doesn't win GSLs, only GSTLs | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:52 lichter wrote: The games are better, but best of 7 is just so blah. Proleague format gets me more invested If it were best of 9 still I'd like GSTL better, maybe. I actually prefer the Bo7 All kill format to Pro-League's. Bo9 is even better. The dynamic it creates when only one match up is prepared ahead of time makes me more invested. The potentiality of an all kill or reverse all kill in every match up leaves a lot to hope for. | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:51 wangstra wrote: This logic is blowing my mind. Rain was dead with that many scvs pulled. You're arguing that bringing more units into the fight was useless even though that's the only option he has to have any leg in the game? How can you argue against using your only option when you are otherwise going to get killed? It's the only option. And I know it works. It might work if you keep the colossus alive, once they are dead so is the protoss... Bio is just too good when upgraded against probes, they melt like butter | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:53 LighT. wrote: Hes right. The games in SPL, most of them arent high level. but Ive watched the GSTL and most of those arent high level either. Players are struggling to find a niche. But SPL is more entertaining than GSTL. Proleague gives me stuff like PartinG vs Innovation or Flash vs Fantasy. GSTL can't give me matchups like these. | ||
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Charlie.Sheen
662 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:52 lichter wrote: The games are better, but best of 7 is just so blah. Proleague format gets me more invested If it were best of 9 still I'd like GSTL better, maybe. Proleague shows many more rookies and low level players, instead of top guns all the time. Their games are usually very entertaining, because they will do anything to win that one single game. And it's a better story if a rookie wins. Always loved interviews from those 30% winrate kids, even some 0% winrate kids. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:52 lichter wrote: The games are better, but best of 7 is just so blah. Proleague format gets me more invested If it were best of 9 still I'd like GSTL better, maybe. Yeah can't wait till GSTL is in the playoffs then best of 9 again!! :D | ||
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:51 LighT. wrote: Toss games would be more entertaining if they werent always so deathball ish They seriously have to address that in LotV Toss's games are basically "i make ball, watch ball grow" The main problem is still that you can't lose units as protoss. They're so expensive and in small groups they do nothing and they only really become effective with decent splash support... So you just turtle... and hope you can get that golden comp before your opponent kills you. TvP has been practically the same matchup since WoL first came out. And it's rarely an exiting thing to spectate. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:55 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Proleague shows many more rookies, instead of top guns all the time. Their games are usually very entertaining, because they will do anything to win that one single game. And it's a better story if a rookie wins. Always loved interviews from those 30% winrate kids, even some 0% winrate kids. I too enjoy reading MC interviews :D + Show Spoiler + I know his winrate isn't 30% anymore :p | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:51 LighT. wrote: Toss games would be more entertaining if they werent always so deathball ish They seriously have to address that in LotV Toss's games are basically "i make ball, watch ball grow" T and Z can massively outproduce us, so we rely very, very heavily on splash units, but our splash units are exceptionally easy to take down(HTs are slow and squishy, colossi can get hit by air and are slow and squishy), so our army has to be designed to protect them. There'd need to be something like a midgame upgrade that somehow diffuses the strength from a couple units to all our units. I specify midgame, because if our T1 units are strong from the getgo, you see a lot of what we had in early WoL: all ins and timing attacks that T and Z can't beat before they get their economies rolling. I just want to get rid of stalkers, honestly; blink is neat, but the unit itself is just so terrible in straight up engagements with the worst upgrade scaling in the entire game. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:54 ZenithM wrote: Proleague gives me stuff like PartinG vs Innovation or Flash vs Fantasy. GSTL can't give me matchups like these. Those match ups rarely if ever live up to their hype though. Besides, I have GSL Code S, Code A or other premier tournaments like MLG to hope for match ups like those. Give me a Flash vs Fantasy Bo5-Bo7 and now you have my attention. GSTL gets me going precisely because it isn't just a series of preplanned matches. There's a level of spontaneity to it that only occurs in Pro-league during the ace match. I love that about it. | ||
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
On April 17 2013 21:51 wangstra wrote: This logic is blowing my mind. Rain was dead with that many scvs pulled. You're arguing that bringing more units into the fight was useless even though that's the only option he has to have any leg in the game? How can you argue against using your only option when you are otherwise going to get killed? It's the only option. And I know it works. Probes don't keep your colossus alive. They just keep your stalkers and zealots alive. Stalkers and zealots will not win you the fight and without the probes you will lose the game. If you really think it works you should go play a PvT and pull probes when you get into this situation, see how far that gets you. | ||
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