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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
April 15 2013 12:21 GMT
#1561
IdrA should just stop to give JD ZvP tips :D
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
April 15 2013 12:21 GMT
#1562
Hot_Bid writes:

I know what you're going to say. "It's a different game." I agree with you, somewhat. Look at the WarCraft 3 guys that are doing so well in the international scene, or at the Brood War careers of the guys winning the GSLs. There hasn't been a huge correlation between Brood War ability and SC2 ability among top tier SC2 pros right now.

You see IM.Mvp and think he's the best Terran. But he's the only legitimate A-team pro (and a mediocre one at that) to transfer over. Nobody else has. Imagine there are hundreds of guys like him, with the same raw ability and mindset. They could be worse, or better, or exactly the same. Now imagine there are two, maybe three, that are just flat out better than Mvp at speed, precision, multitasking, and raw ability. Not just "a little better" but way better. But that's not what separates them from him. Flash and Jaedong, when motivated, have a mindset and work ethic that is unmatched by any other RTS professional. Their ability to focus and practice is not just "way better" than what Mvp is capable of, but orders of magnitudes better. Think the difference between Kobe and "average starter" on an NBA team.

Maybe Leta or Sea or Best or Zero won't come into SC2 and be ultra-successful if they switch. But Jaedong and Flash? They are outliers. They do not conform to the normal rules, and everyone who has followed Brood War knows that if they switch, it's not a question of if they will dominate and win, but when.

The "different game" argument applies to 99.9% of progamers, but not for special players like Jaedong and Flash. The game doesn't matter. Whether it's BW or SC2 or checkers or minesweeper, certain players are so good they will always be at the top.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
April 15 2013 12:21 GMT
#1563
From reading the LR thread it sounds like it was pretty scrappy, but man we REALLY needed this win.

Flash needs to stop slumping if we want to have any chance of making the playoffs though =/
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
April 15 2013 12:21 GMT
#1564
Fuck my FPL btw. Flash is killing me.
The Bomber boy
CygnusAres
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore893 Posts
April 15 2013 12:21 GMT
#1565
Should have just spammed Mutas. 2 Base toss vs Mutas, Checkmate.
"I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul" - Invictus. Favorite Players: TaeJa, Bogus, and Zest, Fighting!
Provocateur
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1665 Posts
April 15 2013 12:21 GMT
#1566
On April 15 2013 21:20 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 21:19 Insoleet wrote:
On April 15 2013 21:17 Prince_Stranger wrote:
After this feels like PvZ is just too good for P.


Its not

Jaedong play was just terrible

Horrible composition.


It's a timing attack. Like when MKP would float to the middle of Metalopolis and all-in with marines. The crazy gas/mineral income creates a really powerful 3base roach-hydra-corruptor timing. And Jaedong just decides to try and play a macro game with an all-in composition.

By denying the third so many times he had plenty of time to go up to vipers, he wasn't forced to commit to ~12 additional corruptors to just have them shot down by stalkers.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 15 2013 12:21 GMT
#1567
On April 15 2013 21:17 shadymmj wrote:
yeah jd's ZvP is horrendous. but it's ahrd to say why. maybe his strength is positioning and micro, and micro is near worthless?


His positioning and micro was horrible. No spreading, basically he just went forward, got forcefielded, donated some stuff and retreated, when he should have tried to flank or JUST TRANSITION.
_Galad_
Profile Joined September 2011
Greece184 Posts
April 15 2013 12:22 GMT
#1568
Meh... I bet JD thought that corruptors alone will be enough... But he underestimated the Voids... And payed for it... :/
Channel the Light of Aiur...
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-15 12:22:17
April 15 2013 12:22 GMT
#1569
If the current top 4 teams - Woongjin, Khan, KT and SKT - stay at their ranks and advance to the playoffs, I'll be real glad.
Flash | Mvp
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
April 15 2013 12:22 GMT
#1570
guess JD hasnt adapted enough to the new units yet to know what to do. Corruptors pretty bad in PvZ unless mass tempest(?)
Amove for Aiur
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 15 2013 12:22 GMT
#1571
jaedong trying a strategy that almost never worked out even in WoL. oh well, he didn't play bad except for his strategic choice. it was just a matter of time until he loses.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
April 15 2013 12:22 GMT
#1572
stupid play by JD, no excuses. I mean come on man!
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
April 15 2013 12:22 GMT
#1573
That was horrible

Particulary disappointed by Oz and aLive...
RIP Seung Hyun 'Space' Park † 6/5/2013 - Undead hero and eSports rolemodel
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 15 2013 12:22 GMT
#1574
On April 15 2013 21:18 Badfatpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 21:17 LimitSEA wrote:
Voidrays are too good for this comp, really needed to transition out of it. :/


Voidrays really wouldn't have been an issue if JD would have engaged worth a damn. T_______T

Does full foreigner apply to team leagues? >< Hope eg/tl can come back strong next week.


Doubt you could call that full foreigner. They dropped the corrupter suicide some time ago.
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
April 15 2013 12:22 GMT
#1575
On April 15 2013 21:20 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 21:19 Insoleet wrote:
On April 15 2013 21:17 Prince_Stranger wrote:
After this feels like PvZ is just too good for P.


Its not

Jaedong play was just terrible

Horrible composition.


It's a timing attack. Like when MKP would float to the middle of Metalopolis and all-in with marines. The crazy gas/mineral income creates a really powerful 3base roach-hydra-corruptor timing. And Jaedong just decides to try and play a macro game with an all-in composition.


people on forums don't understand that. they compare unit compositions to the ultimate composition and blame lack of such ultimate composition on bad play.
Team Liquid
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
April 15 2013 12:22 GMT
#1576
On April 15 2013 21:21 Provocateur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 21:20 Shantastic wrote:
On April 15 2013 21:19 Insoleet wrote:
On April 15 2013 21:17 Prince_Stranger wrote:
After this feels like PvZ is just too good for P.


Its not

Jaedong play was just terrible

Horrible composition.


It's a timing attack. Like when MKP would float to the middle of Metalopolis and all-in with marines. The crazy gas/mineral income creates a really powerful 3base roach-hydra-corruptor timing. And Jaedong just decides to try and play a macro game with an all-in composition.

By denying the third so many times he had plenty of time to go up to vipers, he wasn't forced to commit to ~12 additional corruptors to just have them shot down by stalkers.

Honestly if he just had infestors it would have been a stomp.
Moderatorlickypiddy
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
April 15 2013 12:22 GMT
#1577
should've played hero
The doctors gave me 9 months to live, ]BIG[ gave me a life time.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
April 15 2013 12:23 GMT
#1578
yeah, sad to see some kespa fans putting jd down. as much as we want ez-tl to lose, i want jd to do well. when he was in top shape he is so, so good...
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
April 15 2013 12:23 GMT
#1579
On April 15 2013 21:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 21:19 morlakaix wrote:
EGTL STAY EZ


rofl did they really think they could compete with kespa


ya......no


Yeah hating on EGTL is so last month.

But yeah, sad series.

Between Alive wasting a scan and 3-5 marauders and marines by misclicking his OC to Jaedong not knowing Corruptors are now useless against Protoss (unless against Tempest and Carrier)....

EGTL was so close.

Hope Jaedong learns that the Protoss deathball can only be stopped by using Vipers and/or Swarm Hosts.

He did really great early game, everything was good. He's still lacking on knowledge of what unit comp beats which unit comp though sadly. (Colossus and Void Rays are too strong against Roaches and Hydralisks.)
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Timerly
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany511 Posts
April 15 2013 12:23 GMT
#1580
On April 15 2013 21:22 _Galad_ wrote:
Meh... I bet JD thought that corruptors alone will be enough... But he underestimated the Voids... And payed for it... :/


It's like he never learned over months of Lastertoss in WoL^^
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