On March 24 2013 19:41 arcane1129 wrote: Ugh this commentary....really wish they had someone with some game knowledge. I don't expect a lot, but it's like they haven't even played before. Ultra cavern finishing, 2-2 melee + carapace just started, intentionally banking money....."He made too many overlords!" No....he's planning on making ultras shortly for 6 supply a piece -_-
The commentary is far and away the most professional I've ever heard in pro-gaming, period.
Casters are there to explain the game to people who don't know exactly what's going on; you've posited that you knew what was going on better than the casters - is it sinking in yet why you're an anal ass-hat for complaining?
You need casters to tell you what you already know?
How about now?
You think every lay-man, cousin and uncle (the audience they want to attract i.e. the ignorant majority) wants the commentary to be clogged up with exact details and figures?
Catching on yet?
Let's say you're a producer or director or whatever and you're tasked with entertaining a wider audience; are you screaming at your casters to cater to the hardcore 10%? The informed 30%? How about the casual 60%?
Surely by now...
You can't actually be serious about this. StarCraft 2 is a strategy game. If casters have no clue about strategies and decisionmaking, their casting isn't worth much. I don't need to be told that player X made an overlord. I want to know why he made an overlord.
Why would you watch a strategy game with no idea about strategy and with casters that don't help you understand?
A caster can be there for the complete noobs. It's not just us people who watch all the time. I didn't really understand that until I saw a DOTA2 Cast when I was new to that.
On March 24 2013 19:41 arcane1129 wrote: Ugh this commentary....really wish they had someone with some game knowledge. I don't expect a lot, but it's like they haven't even played before. Ultra cavern finishing, 2-2 melee + carapace just started, intentionally banking money....."He made too many overlords!" No....he's planning on making ultras shortly for 6 supply a piece -_-
The commentary is far and away the most professional I've ever heard in pro-gaming, period.
Casters are there to explain the game to people who don't know exactly what's going on; you've posited that you knew what was going on better than the casters - is it sinking in yet why you're an anal ass-hat for complaining?
You need casters to tell you what you already know?
How about now?
You think every lay-man, cousin and uncle (the audience they want to attract i.e. the ignorant majority) wants the commentary to be clogged up with exact details and figures?
Catching on yet?
Let's say you're a producer or director or whatever and you're tasked with entertaining a wider audience; are you screaming at your casters to cater to the hardcore 10%? The informed 30%? How about the casual 60%?
Surely by now...
You can't actually be serious about this. StarCraft 2 is a strategy game. If casters have no clue about strategies and decisionmaking, their casting isn't worth much. I don't need to be told that player X made an overlord. I want to know why he made an overlord.
Of course this is absurd and a logical fallacy; you're insisting the casters did something they did not. They're certainly not listing everytime an overlord is made; to base an argument on hyperbole is asinine.
I find it quite interesting the SC2 community believes they be taught to play during casted games and completely disregard the casual fan-base; it's like some kind of neat form of nerd-asperger's.
On March 24 2013 19:41 arcane1129 wrote: Ugh this commentary....really wish they had someone with some game knowledge. I don't expect a lot, but it's like they haven't even played before. Ultra cavern finishing, 2-2 melee + carapace just started, intentionally banking money....."He made too many overlords!" No....he's planning on making ultras shortly for 6 supply a piece -_-
The commentary is far and away the most professional I've ever heard in pro-gaming, period.
Casters are there to explain the game to people who don't know exactly what's going on; you've posited that you knew what was going on better than the casters - is it sinking in yet why you're an anal ass-hat for complaining?
You need casters to tell you what you already know?
How about now?
You think every lay-man, cousin and uncle (the audience they want to attract i.e. the ignorant majority) wants the commentary to be clogged up with exact details and figures?
Catching on yet?
Let's say you're a producer or director or whatever and you're tasked with entertaining a wider audience; are you screaming at your casters to cater to the hardcore 10%? The informed 30%? How about the casual 60%?
Surely by now...
You can't actually be serious about this. StarCraft 2 is a strategy game. If casters have no clue about strategies and decisionmaking, their casting isn't worth much. I don't need to be told that player X made an overlord. I want to know why he made an overlord.
Why would you watch a strategy game with no idea about strategy and with casters that don't help you understand?
A caster can be there for the complete noobs. It's not just us people who watch all the time. I didn't really understand that until I saw a DOTA2 Cast when I was new to that.
Of course, that's why play to play is important as well. That's why Tasteless/Artosis are a brilliant casting duo. They cater to the widest range because they go from the most simple things to high level analysis.
On March 24 2013 19:41 arcane1129 wrote: Ugh this commentary....really wish they had someone with some game knowledge. I don't expect a lot, but it's like they haven't even played before. Ultra cavern finishing, 2-2 melee + carapace just started, intentionally banking money....."He made too many overlords!" No....he's planning on making ultras shortly for 6 supply a piece -_-
The commentary is far and away the most professional I've ever heard in pro-gaming, period.
Casters are there to explain the game to people who don't know exactly what's going on; you've posited that you knew what was going on better than the casters - is it sinking in yet why you're an anal ass-hat for complaining?
You need casters to tell you what you already know?
How about now?
You think every lay-man, cousin and uncle (the audience they want to attract i.e. the ignorant majority) wants the commentary to be clogged up with exact details and figures?
Catching on yet?
Let's say you're a producer or director or whatever and you're tasked with entertaining a wider audience; are you screaming at your casters to cater to the hardcore 10%? The informed 30%? How about the casual 60%?
Surely by now...
You can't actually be serious about this.
Well, I actually kind of agree with what he said, even if it was not in the most pleasing tone :D Nowadays, I don't learn anything listening to the so-called "analytic casters", I much prefer listening to a professional guy with a good voice and who brings excitement. Of course I still like many "analytic casters" because it just so happens that they are professional, exciting and have a good voice.
On March 24 2013 19:41 arcane1129 wrote: Ugh this commentary....really wish they had someone with some game knowledge. I don't expect a lot, but it's like they haven't even played before. Ultra cavern finishing, 2-2 melee + carapace just started, intentionally banking money....."He made too many overlords!" No....he's planning on making ultras shortly for 6 supply a piece -_-
The commentary is far and away the most professional I've ever heard in pro-gaming, period.
Casters are there to explain the game to people who don't know exactly what's going on; you've posited that you knew what was going on better than the casters - is it sinking in yet why you're an anal ass-hat for complaining?
You need casters to tell you what you already know?
How about now?
You think every lay-man, cousin and uncle (the audience they want to attract i.e. the ignorant majority) wants the commentary to be clogged up with exact details and figures?
Catching on yet?
Let's say you're a producer or director or whatever and you're tasked with entertaining a wider audience; are you screaming at your casters to cater to the hardcore 10%? The informed 30%? How about the casual 60%?
Surely by now...
You can't actually be serious about this. StarCraft 2 is a strategy game. If casters have no clue about strategies and decisionmaking, their casting isn't worth much. I don't need to be told that player X made an overlord. I want to know why he made an overlord.
Why would you watch a strategy game with no idea about strategy and with casters that don't help you understand?
A caster can be there for the complete noobs. It's not just us people who watch all the time. I didn't really understand that until I saw a DOTA2 Cast when I was new to that.
Catering to noobs and being a noob do not go hand in hand. A caster can be knowledgeable and also accessible. Day9 and Apollo are both really good at this, and Tasteless often pretends to know less than he does in order to teach people about the game. Overall, it's better to have the knowledge than not, so you can make everyone happy.
On March 24 2013 19:41 arcane1129 wrote: Ugh this commentary....really wish they had someone with some game knowledge. I don't expect a lot, but it's like they haven't even played before. Ultra cavern finishing, 2-2 melee + carapace just started, intentionally banking money....."He made too many overlords!" No....he's planning on making ultras shortly for 6 supply a piece -_-
The commentary is far and away the most professional I've ever heard in pro-gaming, period.
Casters are there to explain the game to people who don't know exactly what's going on; you've posited that you knew what was going on better than the casters - is it sinking in yet why you're an anal ass-hat for complaining?
You need casters to tell you what you already know?
How about now?
You think every lay-man, cousin and uncle (the audience they want to attract i.e. the ignorant majority) wants the commentary to be clogged up with exact details and figures?
Catching on yet?
Let's say you're a producer or director or whatever and you're tasked with entertaining a wider audience; are you screaming at your casters to cater to the hardcore 10%? The informed 30%? How about the casual 60%?
Surely by now...
You can't actually be serious about this. StarCraft 2 is a strategy game. If casters have no clue about strategies and decisionmaking, their casting isn't worth much. I don't need to be told that player X made an overlord. I want to know why he made an overlord.
Of course this is absurd and a logical fallacy; you're insisting the casters did something they did not. They're certainly not listing everytime an overlord is made; to base an argument on hyperbole is asinine.
I find it quite interesting the SC2 community believes they be taught to play during casted games and completely disregard the casual fan-base; it's like some kind of neat form of nerd-asperger's.
How about you stop hiding behind the big words to make yourself feel smart and instead make an argument that makes sense. If you're arguing that the "casual fanbase" watches games without any idea of what's going on and with no desire to understand what's going on then why have a commentator at all?
SC2 isn't a "oh my god he got a headshot! How amazing!" type of game. There's insanely deep decisionmaking behind every single move these pros make. Most casters won't be able to fully understand them but if there's no analysis whatsoever what's the point of a commentator. To tell us what we see ourselves?
On March 24 2013 19:41 arcane1129 wrote: Ugh this commentary....really wish they had someone with some game knowledge. I don't expect a lot, but it's like they haven't even played before. Ultra cavern finishing, 2-2 melee + carapace just started, intentionally banking money....."He made too many overlords!" No....he's planning on making ultras shortly for 6 supply a piece -_-
The commentary is far and away the most professional I've ever heard in pro-gaming, period.
Casters are there to explain the game to people who don't know exactly what's going on; you've posited that you knew what was going on better than the casters - is it sinking in yet why you're an anal ass-hat for complaining?
You need casters to tell you what you already know?
How about now?
You think every lay-man, cousin and uncle (the audience they want to attract i.e. the ignorant majority) wants the commentary to be clogged up with exact details and figures?
Catching on yet?
Let's say you're a producer or director or whatever and you're tasked with entertaining a wider audience; are you screaming at your casters to cater to the hardcore 10%? The informed 30%? How about the casual 60%?
Surely by now...
You can't actually be serious about this. StarCraft 2 is a strategy game. If casters have no clue about strategies and decisionmaking, their casting isn't worth much. I don't need to be told that player X made an overlord. I want to know why he made an overlord.
Of course this is absurd and a logical fallacy; you're insisting the casters did something they did not. They're certainly not listing everytime an overlord is made; to base an argument on hyperbole is asinine.
I find it quite interesting the SC2 community believes they be taught to play during casted games and completely disregard the casual fan-base; it's like some kind of neat form of nerd-asperger's.
How about you stop hiding behind the big words to make yourself feel smart and instead make an argument that makes sense. If you're arguing that the "casual fanbase" watches games without any idea of what's going on and with no desire to understand what's going on then why have a commentator at all?
I believe my word-choice being your talking point can stand as my argument all on its own. I wonder what it's like - to insist someone follow my rules whilst simultaneously breaking them... and presumably not having the intellect to notice it.
In case you're lost, I'm referring to this:
"and instead make an argument that makes sense."
As it pertains to this:
If you're arguing that the "casual fanbase" watches games without any idea of what's going on and with no desire to understand what's going on then why have a commentator at all?
It appears you have yet to unveil the vastly complex system that is sports-commentary and what its purpose is.
On March 24 2013 19:41 arcane1129 wrote: Ugh this commentary....really wish they had someone with some game knowledge. I don't expect a lot, but it's like they haven't even played before. Ultra cavern finishing, 2-2 melee + carapace just started, intentionally banking money....."He made too many overlords!" No....he's planning on making ultras shortly for 6 supply a piece -_-
The commentary is far and away the most professional I've ever heard in pro-gaming, period.
Casters are there to explain the game to people who don't know exactly what's going on; you've posited that you knew what was going on better than the casters - is it sinking in yet why you're an anal ass-hat for complaining?
You need casters to tell you what you already know?
How about now?
You think every lay-man, cousin and uncle (the audience they want to attract i.e. the ignorant majority) wants the commentary to be clogged up with exact details and figures?
Catching on yet?
Let's say you're a producer or director or whatever and you're tasked with entertaining a wider audience; are you screaming at your casters to cater to the hardcore 10%? The informed 30%? How about the casual 60%?
Surely by now...
You're the asshat here. I never said I was asking for detailed predictions of builds based on recent metagame tendencies, but when they're criticizing a player for doing something that even bronze level players would understand, it means they're making players look worse than they are while misinforming said casual audience.
"The commentary is far and away the most professional I've ever heard in pro-gaming, period." That's laughable. They aren't speaking with any fluidity, they aren't piggybacking off of each other well, they're enthusiastic at awkward times and silent at the times when they should be drawing attention to something. It doesn't sound professional...watch any sport commentator, watch Artosis, TB, listen to the radio. Those are people that know how to speak to an audience (that's professional), and these guys just don't have that.
They are not catering to the casual well at all. They aren't describing what units do, what makes these players good, any sort of thought process, or any general principles of the game even. What have they been giving the audience?
"OH THE QUEENS GONNA DIE....nvm it didnt. NVM IT DID."
"He's building an infestation pit, which means he's going to build infestors." (it was swarm hosts)
Parroting exactly what everyone can plainly see on the screen throughout the entire game is not good commentary, regardless of who the audience is. Talk about what they're hoping to accomplish with units and how the opposing player decides to react.
Basically what they're doing are naming things that they see while trying to take an analytical style without the knowledge. Husky, day9, and HD catered to casuals well. This isn't it.
On March 24 2013 19:41 arcane1129 wrote: Ugh this commentary....really wish they had someone with some game knowledge. I don't expect a lot, but it's like they haven't even played before. Ultra cavern finishing, 2-2 melee + carapace just started, intentionally banking money....."He made too many overlords!" No....he's planning on making ultras shortly for 6 supply a piece -_-
The commentary is far and away the most professional I've ever heard in pro-gaming, period.
Casters are there to explain the game to people who don't know exactly what's going on; you've posited that you knew what was going on better than the casters - is it sinking in yet why you're an anal ass-hat for complaining?
You need casters to tell you what you already know?
How about now?
You think every lay-man, cousin and uncle (the audience they want to attract i.e. the ignorant majority) wants the commentary to be clogged up with exact details and figures?
Catching on yet?
Let's say you're a producer or director or whatever and you're tasked with entertaining a wider audience; are you screaming at your casters to cater to the hardcore 10%? The informed 30%? How about the casual 60%?
Surely by now...
You can't actually be serious about this. StarCraft 2 is a strategy game. If casters have no clue about strategies and decisionmaking, their casting isn't worth much. I don't need to be told that player X made an overlord. I want to know why he made an overlord.
Of course this is absurd and a logical fallacy; you're insisting the casters did something they did not. They're certainly not listing everytime an overlord is made; to base an argument on hyperbole is asinine.
I find it quite interesting the SC2 community believes they be taught to play during casted games and completely disregard the casual fan-base; it's like some kind of neat form of nerd-asperger's.
How about you stop hiding behind the big words to make yourself feel smart and instead make an argument that makes sense. If you're arguing that the "casual fanbase" watches games without any idea of what's going on and with no desire to understand what's going on then why have a commentator at all?
I believe my word-choice being your talking point can stand as my argument all on its own. I wonder what it's like - to insist someone follow my rules whilst simultaneously breaking them... and presumably not having the intellect to notice it.
In case you're lost, I'm referring to this:
"and instead make an argument that makes sense."
As it pertains to this:
If you're arguing that the "casual fanbase" watches games without any idea of what's going on and with no desire to understand what's going on then why have a commentator at all?
It appears you have yet to unveil the vastly complex system that is sports-commentary and what its purpose is.
Don't hurt yourself.
Now tell me why they have experts there to commentate games. Your logic is terrible and the only thing you're doing is arguing against me, not for your case.
On March 24 2013 19:41 arcane1129 wrote: Ugh this commentary....really wish they had someone with some game knowledge. I don't expect a lot, but it's like they haven't even played before. Ultra cavern finishing, 2-2 melee + carapace just started, intentionally banking money....."He made too many overlords!" No....he's planning on making ultras shortly for 6 supply a piece -_-
The commentary is far and away the most professional I've ever heard in pro-gaming, period.
Casters are there to explain the game to people who don't know exactly what's going on; you've posited that you knew what was going on better than the casters - is it sinking in yet why you're an anal ass-hat for complaining?
You need casters to tell you what you already know?
How about now?
You think every lay-man, cousin and uncle (the audience they want to attract i.e. the ignorant majority) wants the commentary to be clogged up with exact details and figures?
Catching on yet?
Let's say you're a producer or director or whatever and you're tasked with entertaining a wider audience; are you screaming at your casters to cater to the hardcore 10%? The informed 30%? How about the casual 60%?
Surely by now...
You can't actually be serious about this. StarCraft 2 is a strategy game. If casters have no clue about strategies and decisionmaking, their casting isn't worth much. I don't need to be told that player X made an overlord. I want to know why he made an overlord.
Of course this is absurd and a logical fallacy; you're insisting the casters did something they did not. They're certainly not listing everytime an overlord is made; to base an argument on hyperbole is asinine.
I find it quite interesting the SC2 community believes they be taught to play during casted games and completely disregard the casual fan-base; it's like some kind of neat form of nerd-asperger's.
How about you stop hiding behind the big words to make yourself feel smart and instead make an argument that makes sense. If you're arguing that the "casual fanbase" watches games without any idea of what's going on and with no desire to understand what's going on then why have a commentator at all?
SC2 isn't a "oh my god he got a headshot! How amazing!" type of game. There's insanely deep decisionmaking behind every single move these pros make. Most casters won't be able to fully understand them but if there's no analysis whatsoever what's the point of a commentator. To tell us what we see ourselves?
Just put down your original thought, please - it's tiring to respond to your tripe edits.
How you can say this:
"SC2 isn't a "oh my god he got a headshot! How amazing!" type of game. There's insanely deep decisionmaking behind every single move these pros make. Most casters won't be able to fully understand them but if there's no analysis whatsoever what's the point of a commentator. To tell us what we see ourselves?"
And still continue to not realize your own opinion of what is entertaining is not what's important continues to amaze.
On March 24 2013 19:41 arcane1129 wrote: Ugh this commentary....really wish they had someone with some game knowledge. I don't expect a lot, but it's like they haven't even played before. Ultra cavern finishing, 2-2 melee + carapace just started, intentionally banking money....."He made too many overlords!" No....he's planning on making ultras shortly for 6 supply a piece -_-
The commentary is far and away the most professional I've ever heard in pro-gaming, period.
Casters are there to explain the game to people who don't know exactly what's going on; you've posited that you knew what was going on better than the casters - is it sinking in yet why you're an anal ass-hat for complaining?
You need casters to tell you what you already know?
How about now?
You think every lay-man, cousin and uncle (the audience they want to attract i.e. the ignorant majority) wants the commentary to be clogged up with exact details and figures?
Catching on yet?
Let's say you're a producer or director or whatever and you're tasked with entertaining a wider audience; are you screaming at your casters to cater to the hardcore 10%? The informed 30%? How about the casual 60%?
Surely by now...
You're the asshat here. I never said I was asking for detailed predictions of builds based on recent metagame tendencies, but when they're criticizing a player for doing something that even bronze level players would understand, it means they're making players look worse than they are while misinforming said casual audience.
"The commentary is far and away the most professional I've ever heard in pro-gaming, period." That's laughable. They aren't speaking with any fluidity, they aren't piggybacking off of each other well, they're enthusiastic at awkward times and silent at the times when they should be drawing attention to something. It doesn't sound professional...watch any sport commentator, watch Artosis, TB, listen to the radio. Those are people that know how to speak to an audience (that's professional), and these guys just don't have that.
They are not catering to the casual well at all. They aren't describing what units do, what makes these players good, any sort of thought process, or any general principles of the game even. What have they been giving the audience?
"OH THE QUEENS GONNA DIE....nvm it didnt. NVM IT DID."
"He's building an infestation pit, which means he's going to build infestors." (it was swarm hosts)
Parroting exactly what everyone can plainly see on the screen throughout the entire game is not good commentary, regardless of who the audience is.
Of course, examples here are hyperbolic and absolutely not direct quotes, nor could the possibly even represent any one factual event. You've dove your argument into the circular logic of "nuh uh, this is what happened."
I need not continue a conversation with such peasantry.
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