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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 23 2013 04:58 GMT
#2341
On March 23 2013 12:22 Goldfish wrote:
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On March 22 2013 21:01 Clefairy wrote:
It's impressive how Blizzard managed to make Void Rays an even more boring unit. Void Rays should be made weak so people don't make many of them because they add nothing interesting to the game.


I agree. The old Void Ray, at least you had to clone to try to allow it to attack a unit long enough to charge (though it wasn't really practical in actual fights as the VR wouldn't charge fast enough before it either got destroyed or you destroy their army).

I think a compromise would be to make the charge an active ability (that doesn't have smart cast), that causes it to charge and lock on one target (and that target only; if the VR switches target, it loses the charge).

The duration (of the charge and unit lock on) should be lowered to 7 seconds, cooldown should also be lowered to 15 seconds.

That way, the Void Ray is harder to use and in its current state (where lots do say it's imbalanced, Artosis and Incontrol for example) might allow it easier to counter the Void Ray.

Alternatively they could do it the boring way and make it so Void Rays have 10% less movement speed or 1 less range while charged up (so for increased damage against armored, you lose out MS or range on VR).

I would go for the charge ending in an overcharge for a couple seconds (time debatable) where they simply can't fire anymore so you have to be very careful when using it or using it a couple void rays at a time.
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
March 23 2013 05:34 GMT
#2342
Squirtle!!! I wish you were still on StarTale.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
March 24 2013 10:24 GMT
#2343
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=404575

Interview is up!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
March 25 2013 13:26 GMT
#2344
On March 23 2013 04:14 yawnoC wrote:
Figures I decided at the last minute to not take squirtle for fantasy and he gets 3 wins :/
O well at least he is winning SQUIRTLEFIGHTING!

Since squirtle is the best player in the world by far (protoss skill ceiling in wol was too low for him) I knew he would be a sure call for hots.
crack
Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
March 25 2013 13:30 GMT
#2345
On March 23 2013 12:22 Goldfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 21:01 Clefairy wrote:
It's impressive how Blizzard managed to make Void Rays an even more boring unit. Void Rays should be made weak so people don't make many of them because they add nothing interesting to the game.


I agree. The old Void Ray, at least you had to clone to try to allow it to attack a unit long enough to charge (though it wasn't really practical in actual fights as the VR wouldn't charge fast enough before it either got destroyed or you destroy their army).

I think a compromise would be to make the charge an active ability (that doesn't have smart cast), that causes it to charge and lock on one target (and that target only; if the VR switches target, it loses the charge).

The duration (of the charge and unit lock on) should be lowered to 7 seconds, cooldown should also be lowered to 15 seconds.

That way, the Void Ray is harder to use and in its current state (where lots do say it's imbalanced, Artosis and Incontrol for example) might allow it easier to counter the Void Ray.

Alternatively they could do it the boring way and make it so Void Rays have 10% less movement speed or 1 less range while charged up (so for increased damage against armored, you lose out MS or range on VR).

Individually charging and targeting VRs during battle before they autotarget? That would take the control of about 12 Lifes to do that.
crack
BrassMonkey27
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada616 Posts
March 27 2013 01:32 GMT
#2346
On March 22 2013 22:54 Khaldor wrote:
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On March 22 2013 20:30 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On March 22 2013 20:30 Teoita wrote:
On March 22 2013 20:27 FXOUnstable wrote:
Gumiho is only playing vs zerg (thats why hes not coming out), and cmon wolf and khaldor, thats multiple times that they have mentioned sirius or whale, they retired publically, it was on the front page of TL for days and days, way to show you don't research anything no wonder you call shit wrong so often.............


Yeah so many commentators just don't seem to do any research at all :/

Khaldor usually does research I guess that just completely slipped by them this time lol.


Thanks, at least one person who realizes that you can't catch everything. Easy to throw stones when you are sitting at home in front of a monitor



Its easy but I keep hitting stuff in my room
HoneyBadger.784 Diamond KR "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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