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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
March 17 2013 03:49 GMT
#10801
On March 17 2013 12:46 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Boss Toss is giving the King of Wings a lesson in democracy.


This is awesome. Right up there with the "The British National anthem is a lie" during Flash vs Ret.
Meser87
Profile Joined April 2011
United States476 Posts
March 17 2013 03:50 GMT
#10802
im never gonna be okay w/ my stream coming unmuted when ads play its so freaking annoying
dainbramage
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia1442 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 03:50:55
March 17 2013 03:50 GMT
#10803
On March 17 2013 12:48 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 12:46 dainbramage wrote:
On March 17 2013 12:43 oogieogie wrote:
On March 17 2013 12:42 MuseMike wrote:
On March 17 2013 12:42 AmstAff wrote:
Everyone is bitching about medivacs but this little oracles killing 20 marines is ok?^^


1k minerals or 750 min 750 gas? Yea, marines should lose rofl. Get real.

it wasn't even close though...not a single oracle died too? wth

Huh? 2 oracles died and a third was very close.

Against like 20 marines that were split into 2 groups. God forbid protoss has an air unit that isn't severely hardcountered by marines.

get storm with your air army then.

So you're saying that if protoss has a unit other that HT/colossi that can deal with marines (and oracles still aren't cost-effective, MC just had superior numbers) it's a design/balance flaw?

Seriously?
xwoGworwaTsx
Profile Joined April 2012
United States984 Posts
March 17 2013 03:50 GMT
#10804
On March 17 2013 12:48 Tayar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 12:47 gobbledydook wrote:
It's not that 3 Oracles is, according to the numbers, more valuable than 20 marines.
It's that after the marines are dead, there's nothing left to defend the workers and you lose 17 scvs and the game.

it's almost like you should build a turret or something.

people just like to balance whine
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
March 17 2013 03:50 GMT
#10805
I'm not gonna comment on balance that last game, but I just think that was pretty hilarious!
Cmon MC!! Sorry MVP there needs to be a better racial distribution for day 3.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 17 2013 03:50 GMT
#10806
Who is red and blue in Taeja vs Bomber?
Moderator
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
March 17 2013 03:50 GMT
#10807
On March 17 2013 12:49 mambar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 12:48 Undead1993 wrote:
On March 17 2013 12:47 MuseMike wrote:
On March 17 2013 12:46 bankobauss wrote:
my solution to the oracle is extremely simple

let terrans build missile turrets without engi bay

boom. completely balanced, while your at it make widow mines not target air either.



If a protoss can get 5 oracles you can surely afford fucking turrets.

nono terrans cant they just let 10 marines in every mineral line and then cry that oracles are imba!

i have no idea why you're mocking the idea that properly splitting your army should allow you to defend against oracles


It's mocking putting 10 marines from a barracks to kill 4 oracles from a stargate.
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 03:51:14
March 17 2013 03:50 GMT
#10808
Oracle is fine mvp has not practiced hots a ton probably is not super familiar with all the timings and that. Its certainly stoppable and he was even pretty ready for it just not quite enough marines there. Mvp could have stopped that.
I think its cool to see protoss finally able to harass early on so a good protoss can attack if they want like that.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 03:51:10
March 17 2013 03:50 GMT
#10809
On March 17 2013 12:49 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 12:47 KayZ wrote:
MSC's offensive capabilities should be toned down I think...


Hah no way. More early game options please. I'm so sick of WoL's NR15. Like the safest build for almost every race was a quick double expand and it was so hard to punish.

Don't force macro. It will happen when two skilled players are unable to gain an early edge on the other naturally.

Yep exactly. So sick of this 3 base default bullshit. Let the players be aggressive. If race A has too powerful of an offensive option, give race B an equally powerful offensive weapon as well, not some fucking defensive buff...
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 03:51:06
March 17 2013 03:50 GMT
#10810
On March 17 2013 12:43 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 12:42 MuseMike wrote:
On March 17 2013 12:42 AmstAff wrote:
Everyone is bitching about medivacs but this little oracles killing 20 marines is ok?^^


1k minerals or 750 min 750 gas? Yea, marines should lose rofl. Get real.

it wasn't even close though...not a single oracle died too? wth

Do you also freak out when 5 Colossus kill 50 marines? Normally units that counter the other unit do beat them in an engagement, that's kind of the point. Marines do have free targetfiring against oracles because they outrange them.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 17 2013 03:50 GMT
#10811
On March 17 2013 12:50 stuchiu wrote:
Who is red and blue in Taeja vs Bomber?

Bomber red it seems.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Nausea
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden807 Posts
March 17 2013 03:50 GMT
#10812
On March 17 2013 12:50 stuchiu wrote:
Who is red and blue in Taeja vs Bomber?


Taeja is blue
Set it ablaze!
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
March 17 2013 03:51 GMT
#10813
It's not that oracles are more cost-efficient than marines.It's that marines is the only thing terran has at that point and if they die there's nothing left to protect the mineral line.

So yeah,very strong opening but i wouldn't say it's imbalanced.
All I do is Stim.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
March 17 2013 03:51 GMT
#10814
Blizzard should not touch balance at all for the next two months. These guys make a living off of the game, let them figure things out. If we lived with GGlord Winfestor in WoL for a year, we can deal with speedvacs, Imba Void Rays and other shit for a couple months.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
March 17 2013 03:51 GMT
#10815
On March 17 2013 12:49 mambar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 12:48 Undead1993 wrote:
On March 17 2013 12:47 MuseMike wrote:
On March 17 2013 12:46 bankobauss wrote:
my solution to the oracle is extremely simple

let terrans build missile turrets without engi bay

boom. completely balanced, while your at it make widow mines not target air either.



If a protoss can get 5 oracles you can surely afford fucking turrets.

nono terrans cant they just let 10 marines in every mineral line and then cry that oracles are imba!

i have no idea why you're mocking the idea that properly splitting your army should allow you to defend against oracles

5 oracles should beat 10-15 marines in a mineral line. At that time, a turret is fucking obvious. I mean he saw the first oracle go across the map and it didn't hit him for 3 minutes. I'm sure he won't make the mistake again.
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
March 17 2013 03:51 GMT
#10816
On March 17 2013 12:50 stuchiu wrote:
Who is red and blue in Taeja vs Bomber?


Teaja
bomber
hashaki
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway210 Posts
March 17 2013 03:51 GMT
#10817
On March 17 2013 12:49 sparklyresidue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 12:48 hashaki wrote:
On March 17 2013 12:46 bankobauss wrote:
my solution to the oracle is extremely simple

let terrans build missile turrets without engi bay

boom. completely balanced, while your at it make widow mines not target air either.




Yes, and let Zerg build queens without pool and Protoss build observers without robotics too.

Seriously, wtf?

Why would this help? Just get a goddamn engineering bay.


You didn't smell sarcasm in my reply to him? My point was that it's easy getting ebay + turrets by the time 4-5 oracles are out.
Life is like animal porn... It's not for everyone
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
March 17 2013 03:51 GMT
#10818
On March 17 2013 12:50 stuchiu wrote:
Who is red and blue in Taeja vs Bomber?


Taeja's blue.
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
March 17 2013 03:51 GMT
#10819
On March 17 2013 12:49 ArcticFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 12:48 Tayar wrote:
On March 17 2013 12:47 gobbledydook wrote:
It's not that 3 Oracles is, according to the numbers, more valuable than 20 marines.
It's that after the marines are dead, there's nothing left to defend the workers and you lose 17 scvs and the game.

it's almost like you should build a turret or something.

Story of HotS: Nobody building automated defense, everyone losing to HotS units and abilities.

It's not Wings anymore. HotS is much more aggressive and entertaining to watch. And I'm loving every second of it.

Is fun, agressive and entertaining because is not dissected yet. Wait 2 years and games will be much more stable.
Chicken gank op
klaxen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States361 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 03:52:15
March 17 2013 03:51 GMT
#10820
Cmon MC!
high master protoss - low master zerg
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