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On March 17 2013 12:46 bankobauss wrote:
my solution to the oracle is extremely simple
let terrans build missile turrets without engi bay
boom. completely balanced, while your at it make widow mines not target air either.
Yes, and let Zerg build queens without pool and Protoss build observers without robotics too.
Seriously, wtf?
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On March 17 2013 12:43 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 12:42 MuseMike wrote:On March 17 2013 12:42 AmstAff wrote:
Everyone is bitching about medivacs but this little oracles killing 20 marines is ok?^^ 1k minerals or 750 min 750 gas? Yea, marines should lose rofl. Get real. it wasn't even close though...not a single oracle died too? wth
At least one died, I believe two died since MC started with four of them.
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On March 17 2013 12:47 gobbledydook wrote:
It's not that 3 Oracles is, according to the numbers, more valuable than 20 marines.
It's that after the marines are dead, there's nothing left to defend the workers and you lose 17 scvs and the game.
it's almost like you should build a turret or something.
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On March 17 2013 12:46 Bibbit wrote:
Apparently the counter to super medivacs is to just always be attacking terran.
I think it's more like all-in before medivacs are relevant.
Edit: That is medivac drops. They were clearly relevant in other ways in that last game.
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attacking the ramp was a bad decision
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Idra: making Oracle, very useful talent toi have
Fun to see new units used 
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On March 17 2013 12:48 MuseMike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 12:47 gobbledydook wrote:
It's not that 3 Oracles is, according to the numbers, more valuable than 20 marines.
It's that after the marines are dead, there's nothing left to defend the workers and you lose 17 scvs and the game. 5 oracles and 0 turrets. Turret turns the tide. It's not like he got 2 oracles at 8 minutes and destroyed.
Agreed. One turret (or at most, two) protect the mineral line just fine.
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On March 17 2013 12:47 MuseMike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 12:46 bankobauss wrote:
my solution to the oracle is extremely simple
let terrans build missile turrets without engi bay
boom. completely balanced, while your at it make widow mines not target air either.
If a protoss can get 5 oracles you can surely afford fucking turrets.
nono terrans cant they just let 10 marines in every mineral line and then cry that oracles are imba! 
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On March 17 2013 12:47 KovuTalli wrote:
Has MvP just not practiced vs Oracle openings? You get 2 mines per mineral line and are totally safe to any kind of oracle push.
The baffling thing is that his teammate Yoda has already shown how to deflect oracle openings with mines at IEM.
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On March 17 2013 12:47 Havik_ wrote:
I still hate that decision to attack up the ramp rather than expand/tech. That's why MC lost game 2. It works, he looks brilliant, it fails, it looks like he went full foreigner. I do love this stargate play though.
I feel MC is capable of cute play and great late-game, but he sometimes chooses and handles his engagements poorly.
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On March 17 2013 12:47 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 12:44 trinxified wrote:
I think people are forgetting that Oracle is 150/150. 5 x 150/150 = 750/750
20 marines is 1000 mins.... Cost arguments are as bad as Tier arguments.
Not when people are saying why 20 marines got slaughtered by 5 oracles... It means it's not as surprising as people think.
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On March 17 2013 12:43 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 12:41 hashaki wrote:
Wow, I hope DB isn't watching this, we'll wake up to a nerfed Oracle on wednesday. David Kim says all the statistics indicate that the Oracle deserves a slight buff at high level.
And also he said zero about speedvacs in the last situation report, which look quite strong. Classic Blizz baalnce team i guess lol.
In any case, watching MC play is refreshing compared to all other players. He always get new builds, that eventually get dissected, but he always get there faster theory-wise.
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On March 17 2013 12:47 KayZ wrote:
MSC's offensive capabilities should be toned down I think...
Hah no way. More early game options please. I'm so sick of WoL's NR15. Like the safest build for almost every race was a quick double expand and it was so hard to punish.
Don't force macro. It will happen when two skilled players are unable to gain an early edge on the other naturally.
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On March 17 2013 12:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 12:46 bankobauss wrote:
my solution to the oracle is extremely simple
let terrans build missile turrets without engi bay
boom. completely balanced, while your at it make widow mines not target air either.
And then dark templar and burrowed roach rushes become useless o.O
they pretty much are right now tbh
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Damn, this break music is funky. Where can I get this mix? DAT BASS UGUU~~~<3
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If you see a stargate/stargate unit just make a turret/mine imo.
Mvp still has this!
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On March 17 2013 12:47 BrokenMirage wrote:
Oracles are extremely good against marines, but they are by no means unbeatable. They are extremely squishy, and thus can be zoned fairly well by turrets or vikings. Also, I hope terrans start doing quick ghost builds to counter the whole airtoss meta; that would make interesting games.
I remember Makaprime (iirc) rushing Ghosts to deflect a Banshee opening waaaay back in the day, maybe even using EMP to shut down cloak. It was sexy to say the least, but I don't recall seeing such a game ever since.
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On March 17 2013 12:48 hashaki wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 12:46 bankobauss wrote:
my solution to the oracle is extremely simple
let terrans build missile turrets without engi bay
boom. completely balanced, while your at it make widow mines not target air either.
Yes, and let Zerg build queens without pool and Protoss build observers without robotics too. Seriously, wtf?
Why would this help? Just get a goddamn engineering bay.
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On March 17 2013 12:48 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 12:47 MuseMike wrote:On March 17 2013 12:46 bankobauss wrote:
my solution to the oracle is extremely simple
let terrans build missile turrets without engi bay
boom. completely balanced, while your at it make widow mines not target air either.
If a protoss can get 5 oracles you can surely afford fucking turrets. nono terrans cant they just let 10 marines in every mineral line and then cry that oracles are imba!
i have no idea why you're mocking the idea that properly splitting your army should allow you to defend against oracles
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On March 17 2013 12:48 Tayar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 12:47 gobbledydook wrote:
It's not that 3 Oracles is, according to the numbers, more valuable than 20 marines.
It's that after the marines are dead, there's nothing left to defend the workers and you lose 17 scvs and the game. it's almost like you should build a turret or something.
Story of HotS: Nobody building automated defense, everyone losing to HotS units and abilities.
It's not Wings anymore. HotS is much more aggressive and entertaining to watch. And I'm loving every second of it.
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