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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 16 2013 22:08 GMT
#5261
On March 17 2013 07:07 quirinus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 07:06 BulletCL wrote:
Do you see that? KiLLeR is using the GRACKET!


Killer:

[image loading]

xD

They both have chins, yes.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 16 2013 22:08 GMT
#5262
On March 17 2013 07:08 felisconcolori wrote:
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On March 17 2013 07:06 Zealously wrote:
On March 17 2013 07:06 Sc2Null wrote:
On March 17 2013 07:05 kollin wrote:
On March 17 2013 07:04 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 07:03 Asha` wrote:
On March 17 2013 07:02 ELA wrote:
Hmm, it doesn't look like Thorzain has practiced too much HotS based on that game; it's hard to imagine any map/scenario where that passive style would be effective in the way TvZ plays out right now..

Hope that was a fluke


Didn't Thorzain play almost nothing but HotS for months lol?


Playing is not training

It...it kind of is.


Actually, they are two different things.

Playing on the ladder/stream isn't "training" per se in terms of professional sc2 players.


A lot of players (both Korean and foreign) use ladder as their main source of practice, though.


And this is why the Elephants will crush them.


Elephants are Korean too <_>?
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felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
March 16 2013 22:08 GMT
#5263
On March 17 2013 07:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 07:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fionn sure is popular, he got like 10 responses to his statement.

Probably helps to have a big blue pen so everyone sees your post


It's not the size of Fionn's pen, it's the blueness of it.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Ldawg
Profile Joined December 2011
United States328 Posts
March 16 2013 22:09 GMT
#5264
Honestly, I thought no balance whining/discussion in this thread? I'm seeing 90% of the posts being about balance and even TL staff getting in on it. Can we just leave balance out as we are supposed to be doing?
"Terran so...ice cream!" MKP/MC at HSC IV
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
March 16 2013 22:09 GMT
#5265
On March 17 2013 07:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 07:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fionn sure is popular, he got like 10 responses to his statement.

Probably helps to have a big blue pen so everyone sees your post


I love you too shellshock, but... but... it's Fionn, how couldn't you like him? :D
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larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
March 16 2013 22:09 GMT
#5266
Beside some early-game window mines, Terran unit composition in TvP really hasn't changed so far. Medivac boost is interesting and the meta does change because of this, but I really want to see some mech, no matter what types.

I'm not one of those BW elitists who deny any mechanical play as mech except tank + mine. Any change to the stagnant MMMVG composition is welcome and interesting. It's just a little disappointing that there is still not good composition beside MMMVG out there, considering the new, viable, and interesting unit compositions that Zerg and Protoss have in HOTS, especially Zerg.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
March 16 2013 22:09 GMT
#5267
On March 17 2013 07:01 kollin wrote:
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On March 17 2013 06:59 KristofferAG wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:57 bittman wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:56 KristofferAG wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:54 BackSideAttack wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:53 Wintex wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:51 BackSideAttack wrote:
They really need to stop doing region based qualifiers. Otherwise the main tournament is always going to be a stomp.

Or Korean seeds could be placed higher. And they could be entered by anyone. Maybe they can start in the money. That way we get 2 rounds or so of foreigner LQ play.


Or we can just have open qualifiers for ALL of the invite slots.

Seedless tournament with open brackets, sounds nice eh?

Sadly, business is the most important part of esports these days it seems.


Business was always the most important part of esports.

Well I mean there was the time when esports wasnt sustainable. That was a good time. I wasnt there though because I didnt know about it.

It still isn't sustainable, but it's more the attitude that seems to have changed. It's gone from "Let's try to at least be non-profit" to "Let's make money from this". It's not all bad as it does get a facelift, the question is whether or not it still looks good in a couple years.

Purely open bracket is a terrible idea because if on the one day a player has to qualify for an event, he feels off his game or is sick, or maybe his dog died, he could end up not qualifying. Even if he is a potential champion. That's not a very intelligent format, to say the least.
How is that any worse than someone's dog dying on their first game if they're a seeded player? The fact that life sometimes gets in the way of business isn't something that should be taken into account for massive tournaments. They don't put the Tour de France on hold because someone scraped their knee/lost their dog/broke a leg.

Invites are even worse. It basically means that "Hey, we have these 16 spots in a tournament, but we're giving half of them away to these guys because we have a business deal with this organization. Basically it means that you all have to work your asses off to pass qualifiers filled with players that can throw the weirdest builds and strategies against you, while these guys are safe up till their games and will have more time practicing, relaxing, and calming themselves prior to their games.

It also means fuck storylines, which was basically the one thing that kept me watching MLG over the last year.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
March 16 2013 22:09 GMT
#5268
On March 17 2013 07:08 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 07:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On March 17 2013 07:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fionn sure is popular, he got like 10 responses to his statement.

Probably helps to have a big blue pen so everyone sees your post


It's not the size of Fionn's pen, it's the blueness of it.

It's how he uses it...
Get off my lawn, young punks
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
March 16 2013 22:09 GMT
#5269
On March 17 2013 07:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 07:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fionn sure is popular, he got like 10 responses to his statement.

Probably helps to have a big blue pen so everyone sees your post

Pen imba
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
March 16 2013 22:09 GMT
#5270
I mean, people did manage to beat Zerg in WoL, doesn't mean there wasn't problems with BL/Infestor.

Lol at the typical "Aspect Y of race X is OP, race X loses, cue sarcastic posts about how aspect Y of race X actually isn't OP" exchange going on here.
vinsang1000
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium365 Posts
March 16 2013 22:09 GMT
#5271
Damn ! Pleas wait for the end of the serie before burying Thorzain !
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 22:10:04
March 16 2013 22:09 GMT
#5272
On March 17 2013 07:09 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 07:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On March 17 2013 07:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fionn sure is popular, he got like 10 responses to his statement.

Probably helps to have a big blue pen so everyone sees your post


I love you too shellshock, but... but... it's Fionn, how couldn't you like him? :D

I like Fionn but his posts just don't have the snarkiness of Waxangel. probably 2nd best though
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
March 16 2013 22:09 GMT
#5273
Am I hearing war3 background music now?
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
March 16 2013 22:09 GMT
#5274
What the hell, some guy screaming WOOOOAH there sounded creepy as hell.
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wangstra
Profile Joined March 2011
922 Posts
March 16 2013 22:09 GMT
#5275
On March 17 2013 07:04 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 07:02 Enel wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:59 YourAdHere wrote:
Zerg just outplayed their opponent and won, must be imba!


so youre that guy that claimed Broodlord-Infestor wasn't imba in WoL because it was possible to losing a game? Don't be so stupid. Medivac speed boost is WRECKING protoss and zerg. The games are fun to watch though.

Fun fact: When Terran is op then sc2 becomes fun to watch.


Not really a "fact" though


I understand your frustration but there is one significant difference. The metagame evolved both for Terran and Toss as they tried to figure out ways to counter it. So far no one has done anything significantly different to counter drops.

There hasn't been a corresponding increase in static defense or increase in number of defenders or increase in observers. Nothing. Playing the game the same way and expecting different results doesn't mean the changes are imbalanced.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 16 2013 22:10 GMT
#5276
On March 17 2013 07:09 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 07:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On March 17 2013 07:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fionn sure is popular, he got like 10 responses to his statement.

Probably helps to have a big blue pen so everyone sees your post


I love you too shellshock, but... but... it's Fionn, how couldn't you like him? :D


Wax and Fionn actually get paid to post snarky comments in LR threads

It's true
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
March 16 2013 22:10 GMT
#5277
On March 17 2013 07:08 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 07:07 Mensol wrote:
On March 17 2013 07:03 Qikz wrote:
On March 17 2013 07:01 Mensol wrote:
I wonder when Flash will start turtle terran. He is better than anyone at turtling and getting right positions. Whenever he starts sc2 turtle terran, he'll be tough to beat.


His game against Bly yesterday was awesome turtling until he decided to lose all his workers to infestors

i didnt see his games against bly

it was mech or bio?


Bio game 1 and 2, destroyed Bly then lost game 3 as a really nice mech play, because he never got turrets at his mineral lines so burrowed infestors kept killing his workers as he moved out.

Seems like he need more time to perfection his mech
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 22:11:56
March 16 2013 22:11 GMT
#5278
On March 17 2013 07:02 Kergy wrote:
You can only cry about imbalance if there's a huge influx of '#sick up and coming' foreign terrans that are able to beat top koreans regularly.


Since Terran was broken at the beginning of WoL, more than "sick up and coming" we will probably see players who have disappeared of the face of the earth come back and kick some zergs and protoss ass.

Sjow 2013

"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
March 16 2013 22:11 GMT
#5279
On March 17 2013 07:09 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 07:01 kollin wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:59 KristofferAG wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:57 bittman wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:56 KristofferAG wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:54 BackSideAttack wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:53 Wintex wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:51 BackSideAttack wrote:
They really need to stop doing region based qualifiers. Otherwise the main tournament is always going to be a stomp.

Or Korean seeds could be placed higher. And they could be entered by anyone. Maybe they can start in the money. That way we get 2 rounds or so of foreigner LQ play.


Or we can just have open qualifiers for ALL of the invite slots.

Seedless tournament with open brackets, sounds nice eh?

Sadly, business is the most important part of esports these days it seems.


Business was always the most important part of esports.

Well I mean there was the time when esports wasnt sustainable. That was a good time. I wasnt there though because I didnt know about it.

It still isn't sustainable, but it's more the attitude that seems to have changed. It's gone from "Let's try to at least be non-profit" to "Let's make money from this". It's not all bad as it does get a facelift, the question is whether or not it still looks good in a couple years.

Purely open bracket is a terrible idea because if on the one day a player has to qualify for an event, he feels off his game or is sick, or maybe his dog died, he could end up not qualifying. Even if he is a potential champion. That's not a very intelligent format, to say the least.
How is that any worse than someone's dog dying on their first game if they're a seeded player? The fact that life sometimes gets in the way of business isn't something that should be taken into account for massive tournaments. They don't put the Tour de France on hold because someone scraped their knee/lost their dog/broke a leg.

Invites are even worse. It basically means that "Hey, we have these 16 spots in a tournament, but we're giving half of them away to these guys because we have a business deal with this organization. Basically it means that you all have to work your asses off to pass qualifiers filled with players that can throw the weirdest builds and strategies against you, while these guys are safe up till their games and will have more time practicing, relaxing, and calming themselves prior to their games.

It also means fuck storylines, which was basically the one thing that kept me watching MLG over the last year.

I definitely think most of the players should be seeded through the open bracket, but not 100%. For example, do you remember the MLG GSL exchange program, where the winner of MLG would get a GSL seed? I would hardly call that seed undeserved.
Bermuda
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium411 Posts
March 16 2013 22:11 GMT
#5280
Where did skytoss go ? It seems like we are only seeing Robo or twilight. I though all the hype was in the new air toss...

Did the meta evolved ? I wanna see voidrays. :p
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