• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:21
CEST 13:21
KST 20:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202543Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments4[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced62
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Official Ladder Map Pool Update (April 28, 2025) The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up Clem Interview: "PvT is a bit insane right now"
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments WardiTV Mondays RSL Season 2 Qualifier Links and Dates StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Global Tourney for College Students in September
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
StarCraft player reflex TE scores BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ StarCon Philadelphia Where is technical support?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 607 users

[IEM] World Championship Day 3 - Page 158

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 156 157 158 159 160 168 Next
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
March 07 2013 17:09 GMT
#3141
On March 08 2013 02:08 Jampackedeon wrote:
I hate to say this, but watching Zv anything is really painful right now. It just feels like the other two races were given such a boost to their early game (Mothership Core, widow mines, reaper buff) that Zerg is constantly playing from a deficit.

Also, the medivac speed boost is kind of ridiculous considering how much faster it is than every other unit in the game, and since fungal isn't instant anymore I don't know how you lock one down.

I really hope the final release balances some of these issues.

Yeah lets nerf everything in a game that has barely been played on a professional level. Good idea!
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Elairec
Profile Joined June 2011
United States410 Posts
March 07 2013 17:09 GMT
#3142
On March 08 2013 02:08 Jampackedeon wrote:
I hate to say this, but watching Zv anything is really painful right now. It just feels like the other two races were given such a boost to their early game (Mothership Core, widow mines, reaper buff) that Zerg is constantly playing from a deficit.

Also, the medivac speed boost is kind of ridiculous considering how much faster it is than every other unit in the game, and since fungal isn't instant anymore I don't know how you lock one down.

I really hope the final release balances some of these issues.


Dont hold your breath. I wouldnt expect them to patch anything until a while after release
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
March 07 2013 17:10 GMT
#3143
On March 08 2013 02:07 Zzoram wrote:
It seemed like Stephano was still figuring out the game today.

Why didn't Idra tell him how to play HotS?

i don't think idra has a say on this, considering his recent performance, even in HOTS
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
diverzee
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden992 Posts
March 07 2013 17:10 GMT
#3144
I have to say I don't think Stephano controlled his units very badly at all in the end. His infestor control looked sloppy at times earlier during the game (but there was a lot going on), but in the end he used both his infestors and vipers well. There was blinding cloud and fungal everywhere. Can't remember if I saw any corruption from his corruptors though ^^
Parting
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 07 2013 17:10 GMT
#3145
On March 08 2013 02:07 Zzoram wrote:
It seemed like Stephano was still figuring out the game today.

Why didn't Idra tell him how to play HotS?


did i miss some good Idra drama ?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 07 2013 17:10 GMT
#3146
On March 08 2013 02:07 sibs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:05 BigFan wrote:
he had that game but then gave it away ><


he never had the game, are we watching the same game?

he had it before he decided to stay on ultras and about 200/200 then let Dream get a lot of vikings+bcs+ravens. He was moving his units back and forth for like 5 mins if not more.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
March 07 2013 17:10 GMT
#3147
On March 08 2013 02:07 Zzoram wrote:
It seemed like Stephano was still figuring out the game today.

Why didn't Idra tell him how to play HotS?




not shure if trolling or being serious
Always give without remembering & always receive without forgetting.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
March 07 2013 17:10 GMT
#3148
On March 08 2013 02:09 ramask2 wrote:
Not to take anything away from Stephano, but I think Dream played really well this series. Made me a fan.

Yea dream is pretty awesome, and he's only 16 years old.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
March 07 2013 17:11 GMT
#3149
On March 08 2013 02:08 Jampackedeon wrote:
I hate to say this, but watching Zv anything is really painful right now. It just feels like the other two races were given such a boost to their early game (Mothership Core, widow mines, reaper buff) that Zerg is constantly playing from a deficit.

Also, the medivac speed boost is kind of ridiculous considering how much faster it is than every other unit in the game, and since fungal isn't instant anymore I don't know how you lock one down.

I really hope the final release balances some of these issues.


Are you crazy o_O

All the ZvX matchups are so crazy good ! Way better than WoL imo

Well, maybe all ZvX BUT ZvZ. ^^

sibs
Profile Joined July 2012
635 Posts
March 07 2013 17:11 GMT
#3150
On March 08 2013 02:08 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:06 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Lol, Terran becoming the new zerg...

Yeah, Stephano tried so hard doing nothing for minuts and allowing his opponent to tech Battlecruisers with 2/2 bio vs 5/3 Ultralisks. From this the only logical conclusion is that Terran is imbalanced.


He did attack bro, all that he got was donating units, ling/ultralisk needs surface area, terran units can pack really well with buildings, also can't attack healing flying units .

Dream could have added widow mines at any point and completely shut down stephano's shenanigans, didnt need to do that though.
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
March 07 2013 17:11 GMT
#3151
On March 08 2013 02:08 Jampackedeon wrote:
I hate to say this, but watching Zv anything is really painful right now. It just feels like the other two races were given such a boost to their early game (Mothership Core, widow mines, reaper buff) that Zerg is constantly playing from a deficit.

Also, the medivac speed boost is kind of ridiculous considering how much faster it is than every other unit in the game, and since fungal isn't instant anymore I don't know how you lock one down.

I really hope the final release balances some of these issues.




booooofnhooooo zerg cant 3 hatch off of nothin but queens n a cpl spines/zerglins anymore wahwahwahhhhh
Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
March 07 2013 17:11 GMT
#3152
i am so happy for hots, the game looks soooooo much better. Finally people with better mechanics and skill or better builds win the games rather than the past year of stagnant horrible metagame and boring Zv everything. Not to mention early aggression is actually smart and viable with all 3 races IMO.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
March 07 2013 17:11 GMT
#3153
On March 08 2013 02:10 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:07 Zzoram wrote:
It seemed like Stephano was still figuring out the game today.

Why didn't Idra tell him how to play HotS?

i don't think idra has a say on this, considering his recent performance, even in HOTS

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
March 07 2013 17:12 GMT
#3154
On March 08 2013 02:08 Jampackedeon wrote:
I hate to say this, but watching Zv anything is really painful right now. It just feels like the other two races were given such a boost to their early game (Mothership Core, widow mines, reaper buff) that Zerg is constantly playing from a deficit.

Also, the medivac speed boost is kind of ridiculous considering how much faster it is than every other unit in the game, and since fungal isn't instant anymore I don't know how you lock one down.

I really hope the final release balances some of these issues.

Note "right now". Zerg will always have it harder around release time due to how their macro-heavy style requires safe plays to be pioneered by innovators. The game needs to be figured out more, and safe plays should be created. I think the early game is fine now, what zerg really needs is a way to deal with those late game sky-compositions like Raven-BC and Carrier-Tempest-Mothership-Voidray.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
March 07 2013 17:12 GMT
#3155
On March 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:07 Zzoram wrote:
It seemed like Stephano was still figuring out the game today.

Why didn't Idra tell him how to play HotS?


did i miss some good Idra drama ?


He played a great series vs Minigun recently.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Abominous
Profile Joined March 2013
Croatia1625 Posts
March 07 2013 17:12 GMT
#3156
I think people will gradually adapt to all "imbalances" bar speedivacs. It must be changed somehow, either nerfed, costing energy or something among those lines.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25354 Posts
March 07 2013 17:12 GMT
#3157
On March 08 2013 02:08 Jampackedeon wrote:
I hate to say this, but watching Zv anything is really painful right now. It just feels like the other two races were given such a boost to their early game (Mothership Core, widow mines, reaper buff) that Zerg is constantly playing from a deficit.

Also, the medivac speed boost is kind of ridiculous considering how much faster it is than every other unit in the game, and since fungal isn't instant anymore I don't know how you lock one down.

I really hope the final release balances some of these issues.

Other races had fuck all light pressures to use on Zerg. Hope this trend towards harassment continues, if imbalanced over time patch but not now.

Medivac speed boost needs actively triggered and is fine imo. Zerg players can defend drops better than they have been doing, indeed Stephano at his 'peak' was immense at this. Zerg units move faster than everything else on average, especially on creep so I think their sheer speed can definitely help even if you are caught off guard.

I'd prefer 'too strong' medivacs at present and see how they go, than watching harass be deflected by fungalling everything instantly. if they're too strong in a few months, re-evaluate then
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
March 07 2013 17:13 GMT
#3158
Impressed progamers everywhere!

Mykhailo Gaida ‏@Empire_Kas

What a games from MVP ! great terran skill so inspirating!
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
March 07 2013 17:13 GMT
#3159
On March 08 2013 02:11 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:10 DOUDOU wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:07 Zzoram wrote:
It seemed like Stephano was still figuring out the game today.

Why didn't Idra tell him how to play HotS?

i don't think idra has a say on this, considering his recent performance, even in HOTS

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

quick, type a word in your message, any word
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
March 07 2013 17:13 GMT
#3160
On March 08 2013 02:11 Irre wrote:
i am so happy for hots, the game looks soooooo much better. Finally people with better mechanics and skill or better builds win the games rather than the past year of stagnant horrible metagame and boring Zv everything. Not to mention early aggression is actually smart and viable with all 3 races IMO.

Yeah, looking good.
Prev 1 156 157 158 159 160 168 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Summer Champion…
11:00
Open Qualifier #4
WardiTV175
LiquipediaDiscussion
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 57
CranKy Ducklings30
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 200
Lowko181
ProTech42
MaxPax 4
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2713
Bisu 1299
firebathero 1281
Flash 904
Jaedong 707
Larva 626
EffOrt 542
Killer 412
actioN 351
Mini 342
[ Show more ]
Stork 305
Soma 255
ggaemo 238
Last 159
Snow 150
Hyuk 117
Mind 106
sSak 62
ZerO 58
Backho 57
Sacsri 46
ToSsGirL 43
Noble 40
sorry 28
Sharp 22
NaDa 20
Icarus 19
JulyZerg 16
Sexy 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
Movie 10
IntoTheRainbow 10
Terrorterran 6
scan(afreeca) 5
Stormgate
NightEnD28
Dota 2
BananaSlamJamma259
XcaliburYe205
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss511
x6flipin326
zeus242
Other Games
singsing1523
B2W.Neo794
crisheroes322
DeMusliM281
Fuzer 257
RotterdaM173
Mew2King125
SortOf85
rGuardiaN23
ArmadaUGS14
ZerO(Twitch)11
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 929
Other Games
gamesdonequick721
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta10
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos356
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
12h 39m
LiuLi Cup
23h 39m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 3h
RSL Revival
1d 14h
RSL Revival
1d 22h
SC Evo League
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
CSO Cup
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
3 days
RotterdaM Event
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.