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Hazzyboy
Profile Joined January 2012
Estonia555 Posts
February 18 2013 11:48 GMT
#701
Looks like EG-TL's problems started when Stephano arrived... maybe there's no connection but maybe he's an enigma and as they say team's "cancer".

But Jaedong also didn't show any star game level during whole season
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
February 18 2013 11:50 GMT
#702
On February 18 2013 20:48 Hazzyboy wrote:
Looks like EG-TL's problems started when Stephano arrived... maybe there's no connection but maybe he's an enigma and as they say team's "cancer".

But Jaedong also didn't show any star game level during whole season


Yeah, he's the guy with the best record in the team and he clearly is the cancer...
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
February 18 2013 11:55 GMT
#703
Stephano is strong in ZvP but weak in ZvZ; Jaedong is strong in ZvZ but weak in ZvP. So why does Stephano play ZvZ two games in a row and does Jaedong play ZvP two games in a row? I know it's partly luck, but coaches have to be good at predicting these sort of things to get their players the most favorable match-ups.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
renezerg
Profile Joined May 2007
Peru186 Posts
February 18 2013 11:57 GMT
#704
God EG-TL getting crushed again and again, I like making fun of EZ-TL but this is just painful
gg
warmus
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom196 Posts
February 18 2013 11:57 GMT
#705
On February 18 2013 20:38 edgeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 20:34 warmus wrote:
On February 18 2013 20:21 Inzan1ty wrote:
random poll

Poll: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?

Yes (24)
 
67%

Worse (11)
 
31%

8th place is entirely possible (1)
 
3%

36 total votes

Your vote: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): 8th place is entirely possible
(Vote): Worse



Unfortunetly this poll is bad design. I would argue that performing "worse" than egtl at this point would have to be a semantic argument. This poll implies that performing worse is possible :D


ofc it is possible, EG-TL won 7 out of 19. If they win 2 straight games, they are possibly in playoff spot.


I understand that it is technically possible for them to be performing worse, but how significant would that be? With a 26.7% set winrate over the last 6 matches they played (this already goes back to over a month ago), how much worse can a group of progammers under the same roof get, where it still matters. the whole point is that they are not capable of winning 2 straight games with the rest of the teams not winning any, as it currently stands. you are not going to be beating pl teams if your set winnrate is under 30%
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 12:10:01
February 18 2013 12:04 GMT
#706
On February 18 2013 20:55 Grumbels wrote:
Stephano is strong in ZvP but weak in ZvZ; Jaedong is strong in ZvZ but weak in ZvP. So why does Stephano play ZvZ two games in a row and does Jaedong play ZvP two games in a row? I know it's partly luck, but coaches have to be good at predicting these sort of things to get their players the most favorable match-ups.


Honestly, luck plays a big role here. Stephano was on Neo Planet S which is a P map. You could say that the WJS coach mind gamed the EGTL coach and knew they would put Stephano there and countered with Soulkey. But what about JD's match. Did the coach really want Flying who is 0-3 vZ to play JD, free would have been a much better choice if the coach 'guessed' they would play JD there on Antiga.

If anything, I think WJS was trying to snipe Stephano with ZerO since Stephano had played on Akilon flats the 2 previous matches.
Heouf
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands787 Posts
February 18 2013 12:10 GMT
#707
Well there is always a next match. Gl EG-TL!
Gokba Alhakel
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
February 18 2013 12:22 GMT
#708
On February 18 2013 20:48 Hazzyboy wrote:
Looks like EG-TL's problems started when Stephano arrived... maybe there's no connection but maybe he's an enigma and as they say team's "cancer".

But Jaedong also didn't show any star game level during whole season

This is the worst theory i've ever heard. They were struggling all season long, not when Stephano came in.
AyaaLa
Profile Joined February 2012
Spain629 Posts
February 18 2013 12:25 GMT
#709
they shoould kick out hwanni and the other coach. it seems to me at eg-tl have a mentalblock and the coaches cant fix it.
i balance whine all the time.
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 12:30:10
February 18 2013 12:29 GMT
#710
On February 18 2013 21:22 TAMinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 20:48 Hazzyboy wrote:
Looks like EG-TL's problems started when Stephano arrived... maybe there's no connection but maybe he's an enigma and as they say team's "cancer".

But Jaedong also didn't show any star game level during whole season

This is the worst theory i've ever heard. They were struggling all season long, not when Stephano came in.


Stephano and Jaedong's bromance is probably the reason. Jaedong can't focus, and the other Koreans are probably jealous of Stephano, so they decided to tank the team.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
February 18 2013 12:44 GMT
#711
On February 18 2013 21:29 edgeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 21:22 TAMinator wrote:
On February 18 2013 20:48 Hazzyboy wrote:
Looks like EG-TL's problems started when Stephano arrived... maybe there's no connection but maybe he's an enigma and as they say team's "cancer".

But Jaedong also didn't show any star game level during whole season

This is the worst theory i've ever heard. They were struggling all season long, not when Stephano came in.


Stephano and Jaedong's bromance is probably the reason. Jaedong can't focus, and the other Koreans are probably jealous of Stephano, so they decided to tank the team.

Haha, there's always room for more fan-fiction ^^
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 12:49:43
February 18 2013 12:49 GMT
#712
On February 18 2013 21:25 AyaaLa wrote:
they shoould kick out hwanni and the other coach. it seems to me at eg-tl have a mentalblock and the coaches cant fix it.

players play like crap.? better kick the coach. well it's like that in football (soccer for you americanos)r and everywhere. guess u can't blame the beloved players for playing like shit.
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
February 18 2013 12:49 GMT
#713
egtl cant 0-4ed to drop more points.
woongjin stars sending out a strong message 4-0 the other teams with another solid win.
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
February 18 2013 12:56 GMT
#714
On February 18 2013 21:49 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 21:25 AyaaLa wrote:
they shoould kick out hwanni and the other coach. it seems to me at eg-tl have a mentalblock and the coaches cant fix it.

players play like crap.? better kick the coach. well it's like that in football (soccer for you americanos)r and everywhere. guess u can't blame the beloved players for playing like shit.

The results seem to me to be a mixture of bad luck and bad form, but surely there has to be some criterion of success for the coach as well?
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 18 2013 13:14 GMT
#715
Woongjin stars my brothas

well done.
WriterXiao8~~
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
February 18 2013 13:20 GMT
#716
EG-TL seems to perform worse in every round. What happened to them?

Also, why would you place your most consistent player who also won against sOs and ZerO previously at 6th place where he might not even play at all?
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 18 2013 13:25 GMT
#717
On February 18 2013 22:20 Morfildur wrote:
EG-TL seems to perform worse in every round. What happened to them?

Also, why would you place your most consistent player who also won against sOs and ZerO previously at 6th place where he might not even play at all?


Because at the end of the day, you have to win 3 out of the first 6 matches or you lose. Sure, 4-1 looks better than 4-0 on paper, but a lost is a lost (unless it comes down to tiebreakers which is less likely in a season this long). Remember that WJS also had their best player (Soulkey) in the 6th game.
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 13:46:05
February 18 2013 13:44 GMT
#718
I wonder if EG-TL's performance can be due to the language barrier in the team. Mass-gaming is one thing but experimenting with a build and getting feedback afterwards is a whole other thing requiring a lot of communication.

But honestly given woongjin's lineup today, the results are not surprising. The only set that seemed like EG-TL might have hada shot was taeja vs free.
pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
February 18 2013 13:46 GMT
#719
I would love to fucking know what is going on in that house because it sure as hell is not SC2 practice.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
February 18 2013 13:47 GMT
#720
Maybe EGTL still have the syndrome that they think they're the Stronger team than most.
When that happens, and your opponents are close to your level, if you start calculating too much and playing 'to win safely' rather than taking the gloves off and having a fistfight, you don't play your best game! Who's afraid of losing can't win.

Fuckit can't hurt to speculate and give some selfhelp advice.
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