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warmus
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom196 Posts
February 18 2013 10:34 GMT
#681
The all star EGTL lineup has definitely outdone the expectations with a combined 1 set win this week. 1-8 with only stephano winning a game? I was never an EGTL fan and did not consider them as playoff spot contenders, but I did expect them to at least put up a fight in every match. Right now they are just getting crushed, and while they did face top teams this week, they have to aim higher than 1-4 and 0-4 with this lineup. Its a shame
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 10:37:30
February 18 2013 10:36 GMT
#682
On February 18 2013 13:40 mongmong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 13:37 Inzan1ty wrote:
Finally up..

Make or break for EGTL

Unfortunetly those arent optimal matchups at all

TaeJa > free
JYP > ZerO
HerO < sOs (sHy)
Jaedong < Flying
PuMa < Light
Stephano < Soulkey

Woongjin takes it 4-2, EGTL will drop further



They cant drop any further, they are already at the bottom

I think EGTL lost on purpose just to prove that, yes, they can always find a new low. This is all your fault, mongmong!


On February 18 2013 13:37 Inzan1ty wrote:
TaeJa > free

On February 18 2013 13:57 TommyP wrote:
TaeJa and Jaedong will win but other than that everybody else will lose imo.

On February 18 2013 14:09 edgeOut wrote:
Taeja and Zero are sure wins, if PUMA beats light, EG-TL will win this match.

Hands up all of you who predicted Taeja would win his game? Everyone? Huh...


On February 18 2013 15:00 MisterFred wrote:
You're all wrong. Very wrong. Yes, it's the first-place team vs the last place team. Yes, the matchups could have worked out better. Yes, doom & gloom is popular on forums.

But EG-TL is going to win this match, mark my words.

Well if there are any EGTL fans left after today's match, may I suggest some other teams that could use the support of undying optimists such as yourselves: Team England, Arsenal, the Toronto Maple Leafs...
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
February 18 2013 10:44 GMT
#683
--- Nuked ---
damahammer
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany111 Posts
February 18 2013 10:47 GMT
#684
On February 18 2013 18:22 Kabras wrote:
always nice to see eg-tl getting owned :D. even nicer to see people blaming the coach/management and w/e else except the all-perfect players. Apparently Pro League isn't Dreamhack, gotta try harder
eh i think it will get boring by the end of this PL season. <.<
They keep losing, even with a 90% korean line up, only players who play in PL aer stephano and thorzain, and even thise play only few games
On February 18 2013 19:33 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 18:41 edgeOut wrote:
STX and EG-TL are good buddies, they practice with each other sometimes.

You can tell from the standings.

good one XD
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
February 18 2013 10:57 GMT
#685
On February 18 2013 18:16 styLesdavis wrote:
The EGTL-Roster isn`t stacked with mass great players at all.
When they play in PL i only got a good feeling when Taeja, Hero, Stephano
and maybe Revival are playing. Players like Huk, Thorzain, Puma, JYP and Zenio
always seem like an automatic loss even if their match record doesn`t say so.

With that said, Taeja and Hero haven`t been on their top level
for weeks....

Why do people always blame JYP?
He has a 10-10 record in proleague and he was not expected as an ace player. No player got more than 10 wins for EGTL (Hero got 10 as well).
IMHO JYP and Stephano are the only players on EGTL who perform as expected.

The problem is that Hero, Taeja and Jaedong don't have a winning record (and thus better record than JYP).
Hero is 10-11, Taeja 6-6 and Jaedong 7-10.
Especially Jaedong has been massively overrated ever since he played WoL (joining EG certainly helped). He never has been a WoL star, neither in GSL nor in proleague.
And btw Revival started well, but lost everything since then and his overall record is 4-8.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5600 Posts
February 18 2013 11:07 GMT
#686
On February 18 2013 17:32 letian wrote:
I think JD should just retire, I can't see him turn into some punchbag zerg

this. it breaks my heart to see this shit. but he would never ever have gone to a team of b-teamers and foreigners if he wasn't in a really, really shitty position to begin with, so i kind of saw that coming.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
RoranRock
Profile Joined October 2011
France294 Posts
February 18 2013 11:12 GMT
#687
sad...
humiliation after humiliation, when i think that TL predict that EG-TL would be 1st when the proleague started...
obviously foreigners are too cocky !
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein
Harrad
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1003 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 11:13:53
February 18 2013 11:12 GMT
#688
nvm
RoyaleBrainSlug
Profile Joined December 2010
United States295 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 11:26:26
February 18 2013 11:20 GMT
#689
On February 18 2013 17:56 how2TL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 17:51 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote:
Will EG-TL ever hit their stride? it pains me to see some of the best players ever to play SC2 fail to show their real skill.
I hope they can be the come back kid's of proleague and make it to playoffs at the end and take it.


Maybe this is their real skill.



Proleague is a whole different ball game than the rest of SC2, even GSTL isn't entirely comparable. Proleague is where the money comes from for the Kespa teams, all of their focus is being able to snipe all the key players to win a match. With a line up as thin as EG-TL's it's incredibly easy for other teams to do. EG-TL players apparently still aren't used to the sniper style practice. Most of them, for the last 3 years, have practiced with the mentality to be solid and well rounded players in order to make it to the finals of a marathon style tournament rather than meta-gaming and sniping certain pros to take a key game here and there during a clan war. I don't think in the last 4 matches with Stephano, he hasn't gone up against anything other than Zerg.

At an MLG or a Dreamhack, if players like Stephano, Hero, or Taeja didn't make it out of group stages or didn't make it to the final day of play, it's a disappointment. They've all won several tournaments and all have crushed team leagues at one point or another.

This is all speculation of course, I don't really know what goes on in their team house. For me, it's sad to see fan favorites fail to pull through.

[edit]: phrasing
Zileas is my Homeboy
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
February 18 2013 11:21 GMT
#690
random poll

Poll: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?

Yes (24)
 
67%

Worse (11)
 
31%

8th place is entirely possible (1)
 
3%

36 total votes

Your vote: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): 8th place is entirely possible
(Vote): Worse

RIP Seung Hyun 'Space' Park † 6/5/2013 - Undead hero and eSports rolemodel
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 11:26:46
February 18 2013 11:25 GMT
#691
On February 18 2013 19:07 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 18:08 Rarak wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:51 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote:
Will EG-TL ever hit their stride? it pains me to see some of the best players ever to play SC2 fail to show their real skill.
I hope they can be the come back kid's of proleague and make it to playoffs at the end and take it.


The kespa players are surpassing them, it's pretty straightforward.

it's not the skill it's the way the players are being brought out( order of the line-up)


This excuse can work as long as there are still possible permutations of EG-TL players lineup to be used.

Let's say they have 8 players to play. Number of possible permutations for 6 players lineups are 8!/2!=20160, then multiply the possible ace players, the total number of possible lineups are 20160*8=161280. That's about 3840 seasons.

Looking forward to see what other excuse you will find after 3840 years.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 18 2013 11:26 GMT
#692
On February 18 2013 19:36 Evil_Sheep wrote:
Well if there are any EGTL fans left after today's match, may I suggest some other teams that could use the support of undying optimists such as yourselves: Team England, Arsenal, the Toronto Maple Leafs...


Yeah, because being a fan of a team that doesn't win is completely wrong...

How fortunate you're here to enlighten us on which team we should be cheering for...

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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 18 2013 11:33 GMT
#693
As always, it's easy to jump to conclusions. If they're "the players are bad" then, well. Whatever. Think that way I guess. They're performing very poorly in PL but I wouldn't say it's a lack of skill, especially with Stephano, HerO and Taeja.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
warmus
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom196 Posts
February 18 2013 11:34 GMT
#694
On February 18 2013 20:21 Inzan1ty wrote:
random poll

Poll: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?

Yes (24)
 
67%

Worse (11)
 
31%

8th place is entirely possible (1)
 
3%

36 total votes

Your vote: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): 8th place is entirely possible
(Vote): Worse



Unfortunetly this poll is bad design. I would argue that performing "worse" than egtl at this point would have to be a semantic argument. This poll implies that performing worse is possible :D
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 18 2013 11:37 GMT
#695
On February 18 2013 20:34 warmus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 20:21 Inzan1ty wrote:
random poll

Poll: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?

Yes (24)
 
67%

Worse (11)
 
31%

8th place is entirely possible (1)
 
3%

36 total votes

Your vote: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): 8th place is entirely possible
(Vote): Worse



Unfortunetly this poll is bad design. I would argue that performing "worse" than egtl at this point would have to be a semantic argument. This poll implies that performing worse is possible :D


EG-TL has actually won matches... It could be worse.
LiquipediaWanderer
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 11:40:25
February 18 2013 11:38 GMT
#696
On February 18 2013 20:34 warmus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 20:21 Inzan1ty wrote:
random poll

Poll: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?

Yes (24)
 
67%

Worse (11)
 
31%

8th place is entirely possible (1)
 
3%

36 total votes

Your vote: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): 8th place is entirely possible
(Vote): Worse



Unfortunetly this poll is bad design. I would argue that performing "worse" than egtl at this point would have to be a semantic argument. This poll implies that performing worse is possible :D


ofc it is possible, EG-TL won 7 out of 19. If they win 2 straight games, they are possibly in playoff spot.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 11:42:26
February 18 2013 11:42 GMT
#697
On February 18 2013 18:30 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 18:21 Tachion wrote:
I don't really care about EG-TL as a team, but it's immensely disappointing seeing Jaedong continue to be sub-par. He unquestionably has the work ethic, and most definitely has the mechanics to succeed...so why isn't he? Why is he so much better in ZvZ (2x the winrate) than ZvT or ZvP? I can't wrap my head around the x-factors that are holding him back overall and in certain matchups.


I can tell you that easily.

ZvZ you can be aggressive you don't have to turtle to consistently win. Zerg verse Terran you can't be as aggressive and eventually you do have to turtle and try to get that deathball, zvp is just worse for it as you almost have to go turtle mode as really the only ways you can be aggressive verse toss in wol is to pretty much hope toss messes up forcefields.

I have said it before and I will say it again, I would judge Jaedong based on how he does in hots within the next few months after release. WoL does NOT fit his play style at all. He is not the type of player to sit back, make a ton of spines and try to get a deathball.

Hots zerg is very different from wol zerg (you can be aggressive, you don't have to go broodlords anymore) and this is when imo jaedong will shine.

I agree, JD was always very meticulous and aggressive in his play. I guess there is still hope then.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
February 18 2013 11:44 GMT
#698
Its all about preparation. EG-TL come out playing these games like its just another game on the ladder. Also remember that EG and TL are two different teams and thus probably have a hard time finding that unity and team spirit other teams possess
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
February 18 2013 11:45 GMT
#699
This is so humiliating. They really need to figure out what is wrong with their practice schedule and fix it now. Its so disappointing to see the top 2 foreign teams just get crushed constantly.
Long live the Boss Toss!
SebaZ
Profile Joined April 2010
Italy223 Posts
February 18 2013 11:48 GMT
#700
Are the EG-TL players so focused on HotS or the GSL that they can't prepare for SPL adequately? I refuse to believe they are this bad. But if that's the case, I wonder why they joined SPL in the first place...
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