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On February 06 2013 20:52 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:42 berndniph wrote:from code s --> loose in round of 32 --> loose on more set ---> code b i feel this is way to easy (and i say this as mkp fan, i hate mvp) if you are unlucky : loose 2 sets in a row and suddenly u are in code b  doesn't make any sense I agree with this. Now this has happened to many other players, including very popular one such as Mkp, Nest or MC and it's not surprising it also happens to Mvp one day. I don't understand all these guys feeling this as an injustice or being sad as if someone died. No one was like this for MC or Nestea.
Marineking never fell out of the GSL. Since he qualified in Open Season 2, he allways was in the GSL. He fell down to Code A one time (before the new system which combines Code S and Code A got established), but got back into Code S right after it.
When it was easy to maintain the Code S spot (in those season when you dropped only to the U&D out of Code S and only if you were last place in your group) people complained about it. And now when a popular player falls out, people complain about that it's too easy to fall out? It's a fact that you gain and lose skill and form much quicker in esports than in physical sports. I don't want to get into scientific discussions about that, but it's a thing everyone should have noticed by now. So it's very natural, that leagues need to get comfirmation of the participant's skill in short intervals. The actual GSL system works very well and the fact that MVP fell victim to it this time doesn't change that.
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Poor MVP =(
Really wanted him to finish this last season strong. He's still by far the most impressive WoL player, winning so many GSL's in such a volatile game.
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On February 06 2013 20:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:56 samurai80 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:47 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 06 2013 20:43 opterown wrote:On February 06 2013 20:42 Elite_ wrote:On February 06 2013 20:40 liberate71 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:39 Elite_ wrote:On February 06 2013 20:34 liberate71 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:33 Elite_ wrote:
Fact - MKP is now the only player that has never dropped to Code B. Uhh what? He's dropped to Code A one season. Other than that he's stayed in Code S for the other 12... Was more questioning the absolute nature of "Only player to have never dropped to Code B" You need a timeframe on that  Ever. I mean everyone else has fallen to Code B at least once. NesTea 2012 Season 4, Leenock 2011 May, any other players in question? parting hasn't dropped to code B ;p Yeah, there's a difference here. You could also say that for example Soo has never dropped into Code B. But that's because he's just so new. Parting only debuted in Code A in November 2011. So, he only had 6 seasons in which to drop out. Less than half of the number for Mvp and MKP. Edit: So, as others said. The player should have been in theGSL since January 2011. Among players having been in GSL code S before 2012, I don't think DRG has ever dropped to code B but I may be wrong. He did, right after qualifying for Code A. I learned recently, lol.
Well, DRG doesn't really count as he only got to GSL in August 2011. But I don't think he dropped out, he lost to JYP in round 2.
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On February 06 2013 21:09 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:52 samurai80 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:42 berndniph wrote:from code s --> loose in round of 32 --> loose on more set ---> code b i feel this is way to easy (and i say this as mkp fan, i hate mvp) if you are unlucky : loose 2 sets in a row and suddenly u are in code b doesn't make any sense I agree with this. Now this has happened to many other players, including very popular one such as Mkp, Nest or MC and it's not surprising it also happens to Mvp one day. I don't understand all these guys feeling this as an injustice or being sad as if someone died. No one was like this for MC or Nestea. Marineking never fell out of the GSL. Since he qualified in Open Season 2, he allways was in the GSL. He fell down to Code A one time (before the new system which combines Code S and Code A got established), but got back into Code S right after it. When it was easy to maintain the Code S spot (in those season when you dropped only to the U&D out of Code S and only if you were last place in your group) people complained about it. And now when a popular player falls out, people complain about that it's too easy to fall out? It's a fact that you gain and lose skill and form much quicker in esports than in physical sports. I don't want to get into scientific discussions about that, but it's a thing everyone should have noticed by now. So it's very natural, that leagues need to get comfirmation of the participant's skill in short intervals. The actual GSL system works very well and the fact that MVP fell victim to it this time doesn't change that.
Yes I apologized for this mistake in a previous post. I actually didn't really mean MKP was part of the guys dropping to code B, more that he was popular, but I realized after this was a bit clumsy. My bad. Also I understand your point. Maybe there should be something in between to avoid a code B drop from code S (it happened to Rain as well), but keeping as many players from code S to drop to code A. Well I dunno how though...
Edit: Notice that I fully agree with you, as I wrote something similar about the fact that it was likely that Mvp, as any other favorite player, would drop to code B one day, so that there was nothing to be that surprised or sad about.
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On February 06 2013 21:09 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:52 samurai80 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:42 berndniph wrote:from code s --> loose in round of 32 --> loose on more set ---> code b i feel this is way to easy (and i say this as mkp fan, i hate mvp) if you are unlucky : loose 2 sets in a row and suddenly u are in code b doesn't make any sense I agree with this. Now this has happened to many other players, including very popular one such as Mkp, Nest or MC and it's not surprising it also happens to Mvp one day. I don't understand all these guys feeling this as an injustice or being sad as if someone died. No one was like this for MC or Nestea. Marineking never fell out of the GSL. Since he qualified in Open Season 2, he allways was in the GSL. He fell down to Code A one time (before the new system which combines Code S and Code A got established), but got back into Code S right after it. When it was easy to maintain the Code S spot (in those season when you dropped only to the U&D out of Code S and only if you were last place in your group) people complained about it. And now when a popular player falls out, people complain about that it's too easy to fall out? It's a fact that you gain and lose skill and form much quicker in esports than in physical sports. I don't want to get into scientific discussions about that, but it's a thing everyone should have noticed by now. So it's very natural, that leagues need to get comfirmation of the participant's skill in short intervals. The actual GSL system works very well and the fact that MVP fell victim to it this time doesn't change that.
Agreed 100%. As much as I love MVP, he doesn't have the skill right now to compete in the GSL (Of course it is injury-related...)
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I went back and looked. (Though my advisor was here talking to me... so I didn't look super thoroughly. Might be mistakes.)
Among the players currently in the GSL system (which excludes people who lost today or yesterday), MKP has been alive the longest. After him, I believe it's Ryung and Keen, who arrived in May 11 and haven't left since. Next is Leenock (July 11), DRG (Aug 11) and MC (Nov 11).
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Given the Mvp condition and his recent games, I was expecting something similar to happen  but I am more surprised about Seed and First.
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The End of the Mvp era
So sad but so many good memories
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On February 06 2013 21:09 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:52 samurai80 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:42 berndniph wrote:from code s --> loose in round of 32 --> loose on more set ---> code b i feel this is way to easy (and i say this as mkp fan, i hate mvp) if you are unlucky : loose 2 sets in a row and suddenly u are in code b doesn't make any sense I agree with this. Now this has happened to many other players, including very popular one such as Mkp, Nest or MC and it's not surprising it also happens to Mvp one day. I don't understand all these guys feeling this as an injustice or being sad as if someone died. No one was like this for MC or Nestea. Marineking never fell out of the GSL. Since he qualified in Open Season 2, he allways was in the GSL. He fell down to Code A one time (before the new system which combines Code S and Code A got established), but got back into Code S right after it. When it was easy to maintain the Code S spot (in those season when you dropped only to the U&D out of Code S and only if you were last place in your group) people complained about it. And now when a popular player falls out, people complain about that it's too easy to fall out? It's a fact that you gain and lose skill and form much quicker in esports than in physical sports. I don't want to get into scientific discussions about that, but it's a thing everyone should have noticed by now. So it's very natural, that leagues need to get comfirmation of the participant's skill in short intervals. The actual GSL system works very well and the fact that MVP fell victim to it this time doesn't change that.
ToD explains it best..
You could play the same strategy for years and still be one of the best players in the world in WC3. In SC2 you can do the same strategy for two games and you're going to be crushed by one of the top players, just because he's going to completely counter you.
- ToD
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On February 06 2013 21:19 Hiea wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 21:09 TeeTS wrote:On February 06 2013 20:52 samurai80 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:42 berndniph wrote:from code s --> loose in round of 32 --> loose on more set ---> code b i feel this is way to easy (and i say this as mkp fan, i hate mvp) if you are unlucky : loose 2 sets in a row and suddenly u are in code b doesn't make any sense I agree with this. Now this has happened to many other players, including very popular one such as Mkp, Nest or MC and it's not surprising it also happens to Mvp one day. I don't understand all these guys feeling this as an injustice or being sad as if someone died. No one was like this for MC or Nestea. Marineking never fell out of the GSL. Since he qualified in Open Season 2, he allways was in the GSL. He fell down to Code A one time (before the new system which combines Code S and Code A got established), but got back into Code S right after it. When it was easy to maintain the Code S spot (in those season when you dropped only to the U&D out of Code S and only if you were last place in your group) people complained about it. And now when a popular player falls out, people complain about that it's too easy to fall out? It's a fact that you gain and lose skill and form much quicker in esports than in physical sports. I don't want to get into scientific discussions about that, but it's a thing everyone should have noticed by now. So it's very natural, that leagues need to get comfirmation of the participant's skill in short intervals. The actual GSL system works very well and the fact that MVP fell victim to it this time doesn't change that. ToD explains it best.. You could play the same strategy for years and still be one of the best players in the world in WC3. In SC2 you can do the same strategy for two games and you're going to be crushed by one of the top players, just because he's going to completely counter you.
- ToD
Now the question is, is that good or bad ;-)?
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On February 06 2013 21:22 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 21:19 Hiea wrote:On February 06 2013 21:09 TeeTS wrote:On February 06 2013 20:52 samurai80 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:42 berndniph wrote:from code s --> loose in round of 32 --> loose on more set ---> code b i feel this is way to easy (and i say this as mkp fan, i hate mvp) if you are unlucky : loose 2 sets in a row and suddenly u are in code b doesn't make any sense I agree with this. Now this has happened to many other players, including very popular one such as Mkp, Nest or MC and it's not surprising it also happens to Mvp one day. I don't understand all these guys feeling this as an injustice or being sad as if someone died. No one was like this for MC or Nestea. Marineking never fell out of the GSL. Since he qualified in Open Season 2, he allways was in the GSL. He fell down to Code A one time (before the new system which combines Code S and Code A got established), but got back into Code S right after it. When it was easy to maintain the Code S spot (in those season when you dropped only to the U&D out of Code S and only if you were last place in your group) people complained about it. And now when a popular player falls out, people complain about that it's too easy to fall out? It's a fact that you gain and lose skill and form much quicker in esports than in physical sports. I don't want to get into scientific discussions about that, but it's a thing everyone should have noticed by now. So it's very natural, that leagues need to get comfirmation of the participant's skill in short intervals. The actual GSL system works very well and the fact that MVP fell victim to it this time doesn't change that. ToD explains it best.. You could play the same strategy for years and still be one of the best players in the world in WC3. In SC2 you can do the same strategy for two games and you're going to be crushed by one of the top players, just because he's going to completely counter you.
- ToD Now the question is, is that good or bad ;-)?
I guess it depends on personal opinions, you still see the top players be consistent, even though Mvp is out, he was consistent for over 2 years, and he might just return next season and qualify for code S, while winning IEM WC. same goes with other players.
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On February 06 2013 21:22 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 21:19 Hiea wrote:On February 06 2013 21:09 TeeTS wrote:On February 06 2013 20:52 samurai80 wrote:On February 06 2013 20:42 berndniph wrote:from code s --> loose in round of 32 --> loose on more set ---> code b i feel this is way to easy (and i say this as mkp fan, i hate mvp) if you are unlucky : loose 2 sets in a row and suddenly u are in code b doesn't make any sense I agree with this. Now this has happened to many other players, including very popular one such as Mkp, Nest or MC and it's not surprising it also happens to Mvp one day. I don't understand all these guys feeling this as an injustice or being sad as if someone died. No one was like this for MC or Nestea. Marineking never fell out of the GSL. Since he qualified in Open Season 2, he allways was in the GSL. He fell down to Code A one time (before the new system which combines Code S and Code A got established), but got back into Code S right after it. When it was easy to maintain the Code S spot (in those season when you dropped only to the U&D out of Code S and only if you were last place in your group) people complained about it. And now when a popular player falls out, people complain about that it's too easy to fall out? It's a fact that you gain and lose skill and form much quicker in esports than in physical sports. I don't want to get into scientific discussions about that, but it's a thing everyone should have noticed by now. So it's very natural, that leagues need to get comfirmation of the participant's skill in short intervals. The actual GSL system works very well and the fact that MVP fell victim to it this time doesn't change that. ToD explains it best.. You could play the same strategy for years and still be one of the best players in the world in WC3. In SC2 you can do the same strategy for two games and you're going to be crushed by one of the top players, just because he's going to completely counter you.
- ToD Now the question is, is that good or bad ;-)?
Well, there's good and bad to it imo. It should reward players who are good at doing more than just one strategy over and over. On the other hand, that will probably have negative effects on them as well as it opens them up to losing more to arguably worse players because not every build is good against every build.
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What a terrible day for LGIM D=.
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They should have more room for more wildcard groups even in code B. Even make a code B league of some sort where only the best games get rebroadcasted. Too much luck involved in who faces who. One person can get such an easy run while others will face all the best. Get Code B League with proper qualifiers. Modify code A as well. So gosu players that ain't given proper opportunities get the fame and ranking they deserve,
just like DRG was code S level long before he qualified for it. Whatever happened to a proper GSTL league? :/
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Was pretty high hopes to have MVP vs NesTea finals... but it still sucks that it ended like this (potentially both to Code B)
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And so an era comes to an end just on time for the HoTS release. GG Mvp, you were the best WoL player no doubt!
The first HoTS GSL is going to be a blast.
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yay, successful day for all those kespa rookies and ominous for the veterans.
Time is moving forward
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Good that Flash, Effort, Soo did it, at least some familiar faces since JD lost all his horsepower.
Labyrinth?
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EPT
