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On January 29 2013 22:50 dainbramage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 22:48 Zane wrote:On January 29 2013 22:47 nomyx wrote:On January 29 2013 22:46 gengka wrote:
tanks are jokes. Abduct will make them much better in HotS  No siege research will do wonders in the lategame. Am I the only one who thinks that the reason tanks are better in BW than SC2 isn't tanks themselves, but spider mines? The problem isn't tanks. Statistically, they're actually very similar to what they were in BW - their lower damage is made up for by their faster attack. But good luck trying to bumrush tanks in BW like you can in SC2.
Wonder if widow mine could server a similar role in HOTS
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On January 29 2013 22:54 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 22:50 dainbramage wrote:On January 29 2013 22:48 Zane wrote:On January 29 2013 22:47 nomyx wrote:On January 29 2013 22:46 gengka wrote:
tanks are jokes. Abduct will make them much better in HotS No siege research will do wonders in the lategame. Am I the only one who thinks that the reason tanks are better in BW than SC2 isn't tanks themselves, but spider mines? The problem isn't tanks. Statistically, they're actually very similar to what they were in BW - their lower damage is made up for by their faster attack. But good luck trying to bumrush tanks in BW like you can in SC2. Wonder if widow mine could server a similar role in HOTS
Maybe in the midgame.
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On January 29 2013 22:51 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 22:50 dainbramage wrote:On January 29 2013 22:48 Zane wrote:On January 29 2013 22:47 nomyx wrote:On January 29 2013 22:46 gengka wrote:
tanks are jokes. Abduct will make them much better in HotS No siege research will do wonders in the lategame. Am I the only one who thinks that the reason tanks are better in BW than SC2 isn't tanks themselves, but spider mines? No, they do 75 damage in bw, and like 40(? 35 ?) in sc2.
But they don't overkill anymore (! very important) and attack MUCH faster
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I could realistically see none of the Ro8 from last season advancing. It wouldnt even require that many upsets if any depending on what you consider an upset. Marineking probably the underdog vs Roro thanks to his awful TvZ and shitty TvT record against Mvp wont help. Soulkey will depend on the level of play shown from Nestea and TaeJa and Noblesse looked ok in TvZ beating DRG even though DRG kind of threw that series in Code A. Innovation will be an underdog vs DRG imo. Stephano is too soon to tell. Hack could surprise and advance.
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On January 29 2013 22:50 Dodgin wrote:
btw Code A qualifiers start tomorrow, will probably run both before GSL and during.
someone make a F5 thread gogo
What usually goes in the OP of those? notable players and results?
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On January 29 2013 22:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I can't OP anything for the rest of the week because of tests and labs. My class schedule isn't the most GSL friendly. Thanks to anyone that can do it
If I can make it on time for the games I will try to do it
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On January 29 2013 22:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I can't OP anything for the rest of the week because of tests and labs. My class schedule isn't the most GSL friendly. Thanks to anyone that can do it
I can do the OP for tomorrow but I'm also not there for Thursday and Friday
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On January 29 2013 22:54 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 22:50 dainbramage wrote:On January 29 2013 22:48 Zane wrote:On January 29 2013 22:47 nomyx wrote:On January 29 2013 22:46 gengka wrote:
tanks are jokes. Abduct will make them much better in HotS No siege research will do wonders in the lategame. Am I the only one who thinks that the reason tanks are better in BW than SC2 isn't tanks themselves, but spider mines? The problem isn't tanks. Statistically, they're actually very similar to what they were in BW - their lower damage is made up for by their faster attack. But good luck trying to bumrush tanks in BW like you can in SC2. Wonder if widow mine could server a similar role in HOTS
I don't think so in their current not-even-really-a-mine form. And unfortunately that's not likely to change between now and release.
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On January 29 2013 22:50 dainbramage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 22:48 Zane wrote:On January 29 2013 22:47 nomyx wrote:On January 29 2013 22:46 gengka wrote:
tanks are jokes. Abduct will make them much better in HotS No siege research will do wonders in the lategame. Am I the only one who thinks that the reason tanks are better in BW than SC2 isn't tanks themselves, but spider mines? The problem isn't tanks. Statistically, they're actually very similar to what they were in BW - their lower damage is made up for by their faster attack. But good luck trying to bumrush tanks in BW like you can in SC2.
Well, tanks had more range and Z and P had less gap closers and maps had more ridges and high ground adv. Granted, there was swarm to counter tanks. But right now, it seems like tanks get one shot off before they are hitting their own units with friendly fire. Mines definitely helped with that. The matchup where SC2 tanks is closest to BW tanks is TvT. That is also the reason you see the most BW esque games in TvT.
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On January 29 2013 22:53 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 22:50 dainbramage wrote:On January 29 2013 22:48 Zane wrote:On January 29 2013 22:47 nomyx wrote:On January 29 2013 22:46 gengka wrote:
tanks are jokes. Abduct will make them much better in HotS No siege research will do wonders in the lategame. Am I the only one who thinks that the reason tanks are better in BW than SC2 isn't tanks themselves, but spider mines? The problem isn't tanks. Statistically, they're actually very similar to what they were in BW - their lower damage is made up for by their faster attack. But good luck trying to bumrush tanks in BW like you can in SC2. Stop looking at Tanks' statistics in a vacuum and start looking at what is against them.
Well hopefully battle hellions can help make them less squishy by taking pressure of them when lings/blings go for a surround.
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On January 29 2013 22:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 22:50 Dodgin wrote:
btw Code A qualifiers start tomorrow, will probably run both before GSL and during.
someone make a F5 thread gogo What usually goes in the OP of those? notable players and results?
It doesn't have to be fancy, just a link to liquipedia and some updates on who qualified.
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Congrats to Losira.
Feel bad for Ryung after that baller TvT series against Byun but that's okay. Nothing to be ashamed about in such a stacked Code A.
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On January 29 2013 22:57 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 22:50 dainbramage wrote:On January 29 2013 22:48 Zane wrote:On January 29 2013 22:47 nomyx wrote:On January 29 2013 22:46 gengka wrote:
tanks are jokes. Abduct will make them much better in HotS No siege research will do wonders in the lategame. Am I the only one who thinks that the reason tanks are better in BW than SC2 isn't tanks themselves, but spider mines? The problem isn't tanks. Statistically, they're actually very similar to what they were in BW - their lower damage is made up for by their faster attack. But good luck trying to bumrush tanks in BW like you can in SC2. Well, tanks had more range and Z and P had less gap closers and maps had more ridges and high ground adv. Granted, there was swarm to counter tanks. But right now, it seems like tanks get one shot off before they are hitting their own units with friendly fire. Mines definitely helped with that. The matchup where SC2 tanks is closest to BW tanks is TvT. That is also the reason you see the most BW esque games in TvT.
Yeah, in TvT a tank line actually means something. In TvZ they're basically there to kill banelings/infestors before they kill the marines and in TvP they're just sad.
This is probably what Blizzard intended, Bowder doesn't seem to like positional games too much.
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On January 29 2013 01:13 Garfailed wrote:
im thinking ryung and parting. But something tells me Losira is going beast mode and just tear through this group.
Oh yes, called it!
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On January 29 2013 22:57 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 22:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 29 2013 22:50 Dodgin wrote:
btw Code A qualifiers start tomorrow, will probably run both before GSL and during.
someone make a F5 thread gogo What usually goes in the OP of those? notable players and results? It doesn't have to be fancy, just a link to liquipedia and some updates on who qualified.
Yeah, so many results come in so quickly (and not always 100% accurate since we usually go by player profiles and they like to mess with us), probably best to link to liquipedia. Maybe a list of foreigners since the numbers will be more manageable. Most of the people looking at the thread are regulars and will be F5ing liquipedia anyways.
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and the lower firing rate in bw doesn't mean much, you can't just dive a tank line lightly like in sc2, because everythign will die and you'll have nothing left. In sc2 they fire once, kill nothing, and when they fire their second shot the zerg army is already in melee range.
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On January 29 2013 23:03 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 22:57 Dodgin wrote:On January 29 2013 22:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 29 2013 22:50 Dodgin wrote:
btw Code A qualifiers start tomorrow, will probably run both before GSL and during.
someone make a F5 thread gogo What usually goes in the OP of those? notable players and results? It doesn't have to be fancy, just a link to liquipedia and some updates on who qualified. Yeah, so many results come in so quickly (and not always 100% accurate since we usually go by player profiles and they like to mess with us), probably best to link to liquipedia. Maybe a list of foreigners since the numbers will be more manageable. Most of the people looking at the thread are regulars and will be F5ing liquipedia anyways.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339146¤tpage=16#308
ok I made one based off the thread opterown used for last season. If someone else could post it that would be great. I wont be available the whole time the qualifiers are being played so I dont want to leave the OP unupdated although I guess it's not as big of a deal for these since the only update is the actual bracket and just the qualifiers which you can see on liquipedia. If no one else posts it I will in a bit
I assumed the start times were the same (noon for the first session)
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On January 29 2013 23:04 MrCon wrote:
and the lower firing rate in bw doesn't mean much, you can't just dive a tank line lightly like in sc2, because everythign will die and you'll have nothing left. In sc2 they fire once, kill nothing, and when they fire their second shot the zerg army is already in melee range.
If they really were that shitty nobody would be making them
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People forget that in SC1 tanks still had reduced damage vs small and medium units. A zergling with 1 armor would survive with 1hp against a tank with no upgrades. SC1 did have a similar system with damage types and damage reduction based on unit size.
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On January 29 2013 23:11 Mysticesper wrote:
People forget that in SC1 tanks still had reduced damage vs small and medium units. A zergling with 1 armor would survive with 1hp against a tank with no upgrades. SC1 did have a similar system with damage types and damage reduction based on unit size.
I think the point is tanks were scary in BW. In wol, they are not. Against protoss they completely suck, against zerg, they seem to suck against everything except ling bane muta vs. marine tank medivac.
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