EPT[Code S] RO32 Group E 2013 GSL Season 1 - Page 85
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eGoRama
Bulgaria1542 Posts
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:47 TheDwf wrote: His proxy rax did not fail at all, didn't you see how creep was barely at LosirA's Watch Tower at 16'? Just compare with the previous game on Daybreak, 11/11 allowed him to have a much fairer game. The creepspread had nothing to do with the 11/11. The lack of creepspread was Ryung playing really well post-bad-build order. He denied the creep really well and caught two queens for free. Nothing to do with his proxy. Had he used a different build and played as well as he had after the failed 11/11, the game would've been much different. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46715 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:47 Snusmumriken wrote: guess you didnt watch the previous games if you dont understand that decision by ryung. He picked this map... to do a proxy rax cheese. Which Losira held. Which is why Ryung lost. Because Ryung was behind from the very beginning. And although Ryung had fantastic multi-tasking in the midgame and arguably made a comeback, Losira carried his early game advantage through to a win. The question was "What was Ryung's mistake?" The answer I gave was that his early cheese failed. I'm not saying he couldn't justify it. I'm saying that's the reason why Losira won. | ||
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:47 vthree wrote: I think the game where Ryung complained was that he defended BL/infestor. Then defended a tech switch to Ultra. And finally lost to a tech switch back to infestor/BL. I think that was what frustrated him. the game were he complained was the one were Sniper pushed up his natural ramp on Daybreak against sieged Tanks and a concave or Marine-Marauder with Ling-Infestor-Ultra and just won. | ||
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ETisME
12909 Posts
God, hydra ultra viper baneling is soooooo awesome | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:47 Assirra wrote: Failing to proxy rax and being behind all game and constantly getting your fourth denied/destroyed is not outplaying... Lol, he was not behind at all. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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dainbramage
Australia1442 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:48 Zane wrote: No siege research will do wonders in the lategame. Am I the only one who thinks that the reason tanks are better in BW than SC2 isn't tanks themselves, but spider mines? The problem isn't tanks. Statistically, they're actually very similar to what they were in BW - their lower damage is made up for by their faster attack. But good luck trying to bumrush tanks in BW like you can in SC2. | ||
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cikey
Germany12 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:47 Assirra wrote: Failing to proxy rax and being behind all game and constantly getting your fourth denied/destroyed is not outplaying... but burrowing an ultrafast ling there isnt that much of 'skill' either. Ryung had the bigger bank, too. Then zerg happend. Sad that ryung dropped to code a. but he delivered very good games today. hope that in hots this hole zerg-bullshit stops..  User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
someone make a F5 thread gogo | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12620 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:46 Relaaja wrote: in tvz you can play very well and still lose. I think I'm gonna have a heart attack and die from the shock of having learned that. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Since they start with siege, Zerg will have a hard time getting there. Well they can burrow on t1 now ! | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:46 Breach_hu wrote: So the Z army is much more costeffective even with banelings destroying tanks? They were 200 vs 200 and zerg had 30 more workers. Need to micro better, build bunkers and other stuff. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:49 LimitSEA wrote: The creepspread had nothing to do with the 11/11. Yes it has, because his 11/11 delayed the first Queens, which means the extra Queens are delayed themselves, which means creep spread starts later, which means you can control it better with Hellions or Marines/Medivacs. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:50 dainbramage wrote: Am I the only one who thinks that the reason tanks are better in BW than SC2 isn't tanks themselves, but spider mines? No, they do 75 damage in bw, and like 40(? 35 ?) in sc2. | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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dainbramage
Australia1442 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:51 MrCon wrote: No, they do 75 damage in bw, and like 40(? 35 ?) in sc2. 70 explosive, with a 75 frame (=4.17 s) cooldown. vs 50/35 with a 3 second cooldown. Nearly exactly the same vs armoured/large, better against light/small | ||
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Mariosatr
294 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:51 MrCon wrote: No, they do 75 damage in bw, and like 40(? 35 ?) in sc2. 70 to all without smart targeting in BW 35 ( +15 to armored ) with smart targeting in SC2 | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:50 dainbramage wrote: Am I the only one who thinks that the reason tanks are better in BW than SC2 isn't tanks themselves, but spider mines? The problem isn't tanks. Statistically, they're actually very similar to what they were in BW - their lower damage is made up for by their faster attack. But good luck trying to bumrush tanks in BW like you can in SC2. Stop looking at Tanks' statistics in a vacuum and start looking at what is against them. | ||
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