• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:47
CEST 00:47
KST 07:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview3[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10
Community News
Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event11Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced9
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ (Spoiler) Asl ro8 D winner interview BW General Discussion Do we have a pimpest plays list? AI Question
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread OutLive 25 (RTS Game) Daigo vs Menard Best of 10
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Movie Stars In Video Games: …
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2278 users

[IEM] Katowice Day 2 - Page 72

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 70 71 72 73 74 125 Next
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
January 18 2013 17:47 GMT
#1421
This is so retarded, lol.
www.teamproperty.net | "You should hate losing, but you should never fear defeat." - 이윤열
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
January 18 2013 17:47 GMT
#1422
On January 19 2013 02:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:46 StarVe wrote:
Verdi will 2-0 jookTo

maps?

Daybreak/Cloud
Fortus
Profile Joined March 2011
Russian Federation74 Posts
January 18 2013 17:48 GMT
#1423
On January 19 2013 02:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:46 StarVe wrote:
Verdi will 2-0 jookTo

maps?


Daybreak + Cloud Kingdom
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 18 2013 17:48 GMT
#1424
On January 19 2013 02:46 StarVe wrote:
Verdi will 2-0 jookTo

as I said jookTo was overrated by some

Its not just about the korean flag.
MyNameIsAlex
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece827 Posts
January 18 2013 17:48 GMT
#1425
omg nerchio! so sexy attack!
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
January 18 2013 17:48 GMT
#1426
On January 19 2013 02:44 2muchSWAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:39 Ventris wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:37 2muchSWAG wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:36 scgaming4 wrote:
he lost after the 11/11 no point in staying


He stayed because he expected Nerchio to play correctly, not do a random all in. If Nerchio had played correctly, Yoda would have out macro'd him easily with like 6 drops at the same time and a push at the 4th

What do you mean "play correctly". Nerchio defended the 11/11, saw an opportunity and killed YoDa. Sound correct for me.


According to Idra, who is a top 3 foreigner along with Scarlett and Stephano, playing correctly is not doing things like roach bane all ins. If he truly played correctly he would have out macro'd Yoda (which will never happen unless both of yoda's hands break). Terran NEEDS to do early economic damage to Zerg in order to survive the late game. Yoda was playing standard. Yes he mismicro'd because he was jet lagged but Nerchio should not have all ined like that. He should have macro'd it out. I don't know if you remember this game but back in like March of 2011, Idra was playing an MLG (or some foreign tourney) and he 10 pooled against a hatch first on lost temple. He won and typed out "so this is what it's like to play bad."

In order to play correctly, you need to play a macro game. According to Idra, who is pretty much correct at everything, that is how you should play the game, and I agree with him

That amused me immensely. Well played, Sir :3
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
January 18 2013 17:49 GMT
#1427
On January 19 2013 02:48 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:46 StarVe wrote:
Verdi will 2-0 jookTo

as I said jookTo was overrated by some

Its not just about the korean flag.


JookTo was overated back in oGs.
2muchSWAG
Profile Joined January 2013
76 Posts
January 18 2013 17:49 GMT
#1428
On January 19 2013 02:47 ramon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:44 2muchSWAG wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:39 Ventris wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:37 2muchSWAG wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:36 scgaming4 wrote:
he lost after the 11/11 no point in staying


He stayed because he expected Nerchio to play correctly, not do a random all in. If Nerchio had played correctly, Yoda would have out macro'd him easily with like 6 drops at the same time and a push at the 4th

What do you mean "play correctly". Nerchio defended the 11/11, saw an opportunity and killed YoDa. Sound correct for me.


According to Idra, who is a top 3 foreigner along with Scarlett and Stephano, playing correctly is not doing things like roach bane all ins. If he truly played correctly he would have out macro'd Yoda (which will never happen unless both of yoda's hands break). Terran NEEDS to do early economic damage to Zerg in order to survive the late game. Yoda was playing standard. Yes he mismicro'd because he was jet lagged but Nerchio should not have all ined like that. He should have macro'd it out. I don't know if you remember this game but back in like March of 2011, Idra was playing an MLG (or some foreign tourney) and he 10 pooled against a hatch first on lost temple. He won and typed out "so this is what it's like to play bad."

In order to play correctly, you need to play a macro game. According to Idra, who is pretty much correct at everything, that is how you should play the game, and I agree with him

I think IdrA is top 1 foreigner, but you are correct at everything else

+ Show Spoiler +
it's too obvious, man, but nice try


Yes, thank you for agreeing with me. And yes, it is obvious that I am correct at everything else and idra is a top 1 foreigner. Best foreign mechanics and Ro8 GSL. No other foreign Zerg can match that.
#YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
January 18 2013 17:49 GMT
#1429
yoda looks sooo far ahead
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
January 18 2013 17:50 GMT
#1430
Yoda to take this np
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
MyNameIsAlex
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece827 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 17:50:25
January 18 2013 17:50 GMT
#1431
On January 19 2013 02:49 n0ise wrote:
yoda looks sooo far ahead

I think nerchio can take it.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24603 Posts
January 18 2013 17:51 GMT
#1432
It would be nice with a tab for existing buildings for all players too.
mijellin
Profile Joined November 2008
China740 Posts
January 18 2013 17:51 GMT
#1433
On January 19 2013 02:49 2muchSWAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:47 ramon wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:44 2muchSWAG wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:39 Ventris wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:37 2muchSWAG wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:36 scgaming4 wrote:
he lost after the 11/11 no point in staying


He stayed because he expected Nerchio to play correctly, not do a random all in. If Nerchio had played correctly, Yoda would have out macro'd him easily with like 6 drops at the same time and a push at the 4th

What do you mean "play correctly". Nerchio defended the 11/11, saw an opportunity and killed YoDa. Sound correct for me.


According to Idra, who is a top 3 foreigner along with Scarlett and Stephano, playing correctly is not doing things like roach bane all ins. If he truly played correctly he would have out macro'd Yoda (which will never happen unless both of yoda's hands break). Terran NEEDS to do early economic damage to Zerg in order to survive the late game. Yoda was playing standard. Yes he mismicro'd because he was jet lagged but Nerchio should not have all ined like that. He should have macro'd it out. I don't know if you remember this game but back in like March of 2011, Idra was playing an MLG (or some foreign tourney) and he 10 pooled against a hatch first on lost temple. He won and typed out "so this is what it's like to play bad."

In order to play correctly, you need to play a macro game. According to Idra, who is pretty much correct at everything, that is how you should play the game, and I agree with him

I think IdrA is top 1 foreigner, but you are correct at everything else

+ Show Spoiler +
it's too obvious, man, but nice try


Yes, thank you for agreeing with me. And yes, it is obvious that I am correct at everything else and idra is a top 1 foreigner. Best foreign mechanics and Ro8 GSL. No other foreign Zerg can match that.


Idra is top 2 foreigner AT BEST
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
January 18 2013 17:51 GMT
#1434
On January 19 2013 02:50 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:49 n0ise wrote:
yoda looks sooo far ahead

I think nerchio can take it.


BIG infested terran spawn :D
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
January 18 2013 17:52 GMT
#1435
On January 19 2013 02:50 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:49 n0ise wrote:
yoda looks sooo far ahead

?


good tech, good eco, ups, relatively late t3... that's a pretty solid position to be in

the roach attack, was (counterintuitively?) not too bad for yoda
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
January 18 2013 17:52 GMT
#1436
On January 19 2013 02:45 Heartland wrote:
Idra is a top three foreigner now? ; )


not even in team eg.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
January 18 2013 17:52 GMT
#1437
Dat YoDa macro.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
January 18 2013 17:52 GMT
#1438
nerchios macro fell apart completely like 2 minutes ago lol
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2013 17:52 GMT
#1439
Looks like Nerchio's mechanics failed him here.
Moderator
Chaosu
Profile Joined October 2005
Poland404 Posts
January 18 2013 17:52 GMT
#1440
On January 19 2013 02:38 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:35 Chaosu wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:31 00Visor wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:27 Chaosu wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:24 00Visor wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:22 Chaosu wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:16 00Visor wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:13 Chaosu wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:05 00Visor wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:03 eurTsItniH wrote:
How exactly is it a bad system if the one with the most map wins moves on? You make it sound like it is all unusual, but infact it is usually the way same in football (map wins=goals in this case).

In football it makes sense, because you stimulate the teams to play offensive because you reward more total goals.
This doesnt apply to map wins, so it doesnt make sense there.

Why, I am asking why you don't stimulate the players to take one game off an opponent even when you're losing a series?

No. Thats already stimulated, because players would have a worse map difference if they wouldnt take that game.
Counting total map wins changes nothing there.

Winning in close series is better than losing in close series. Losing in close series is better than being owned. What doesn't make sence here to you?

It is already better because you get a better map difference.
(you are arguing to count total map wins which changes nothing in that regard)

Sorry? Grubby had 7 wins and Moonglade 6, isn't it based on total map wins and you're arguing it should be based on ratio instead?

Yes.
Maybe you think carefully through what I explained. Don't know if I can say it better.

I agree what you said about ratio and that it also encourages to win more games _but_ I think that if we go from here: how to encourage players to win as many games as possible? It's not winratio but most wins that comes as a natural answer. That's my opinion.


How does most total wins encourage you to get more wins than win ratio? Please explain your logic. Opinion isn't really relevant here we can talk about it completely objectively.

They are not playing fixed number of games. If they were then ratio would naturally make sence. In case of set of bo3s, having less wins means you didn't fought good enough in every single game.

Yes, it's not ideal since wins aren't weighted. A typical round robin tournament (with fixed number of games) would have Sonnenborg-Berger but it's not valid (at least not in standard form) for bo3's (non fixed number of games).

On January 19 2013 02:40 00Visor wrote:
You are encouraging players to win as many games as possible by counting the map difference as first tie-breaker.
You can't encourage it more than that.

Map difference isn't same as map ratio to me, but whatever, maybe I just don't get it.
Please be patient.
Prev 1 70 71 72 73 74 125 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h 43m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft343
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 10574
Artosis 467
NaDa 13
Dota 2
monkeys_forever480
Other Games
tarik_tv5656
summit1g5459
Grubby5125
Liquid`RaSZi1787
shahzam393
C9.Mang0253
uThermal155
Liquid`Hasu121
ToD103
UpATreeSC56
ZombieGrub51
ViBE17
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV522
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream31
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 12
• OhrlRock 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21405
League of Legends
• imaqtpie3088
Upcoming Events
GSL
10h 43m
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
12h 13m
OSC
14h 13m
Replay Cast
1d 1h
Escore
1d 11h
The PondCast
1d 11h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 12h
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
Big Brain Bouts
1d 17h
Fjant vs Bly
Serral vs Shameless
OSC
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
BSL
3 days
GSL
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Soma vs Leta
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs Flash
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-05
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.