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gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
January 18 2013 17:47 GMT
#1421
This is so retarded, lol.
www.teamproperty.net | "You should hate losing, but you should never fear defeat." - 이윤열
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
January 18 2013 17:47 GMT
#1422
On January 19 2013 02:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:46 StarVe wrote:
Verdi will 2-0 jookTo

maps?

Daybreak/Cloud
Fortus
Profile Joined March 2011
Russian Federation74 Posts
January 18 2013 17:48 GMT
#1423
On January 19 2013 02:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:46 StarVe wrote:
Verdi will 2-0 jookTo

maps?


Daybreak + Cloud Kingdom
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 18 2013 17:48 GMT
#1424
On January 19 2013 02:46 StarVe wrote:
Verdi will 2-0 jookTo

as I said jookTo was overrated by some

Its not just about the korean flag.
MyNameIsAlex
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece827 Posts
January 18 2013 17:48 GMT
#1425
omg nerchio! so sexy attack!
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
January 18 2013 17:48 GMT
#1426
On January 19 2013 02:44 2muchSWAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:39 Ventris wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:37 2muchSWAG wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:36 scgaming4 wrote:
he lost after the 11/11 no point in staying


He stayed because he expected Nerchio to play correctly, not do a random all in. If Nerchio had played correctly, Yoda would have out macro'd him easily with like 6 drops at the same time and a push at the 4th

What do you mean "play correctly". Nerchio defended the 11/11, saw an opportunity and killed YoDa. Sound correct for me.


According to Idra, who is a top 3 foreigner along with Scarlett and Stephano, playing correctly is not doing things like roach bane all ins. If he truly played correctly he would have out macro'd Yoda (which will never happen unless both of yoda's hands break). Terran NEEDS to do early economic damage to Zerg in order to survive the late game. Yoda was playing standard. Yes he mismicro'd because he was jet lagged but Nerchio should not have all ined like that. He should have macro'd it out. I don't know if you remember this game but back in like March of 2011, Idra was playing an MLG (or some foreign tourney) and he 10 pooled against a hatch first on lost temple. He won and typed out "so this is what it's like to play bad."

In order to play correctly, you need to play a macro game. According to Idra, who is pretty much correct at everything, that is how you should play the game, and I agree with him

That amused me immensely. Well played, Sir :3
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
January 18 2013 17:49 GMT
#1427
On January 19 2013 02:48 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:46 StarVe wrote:
Verdi will 2-0 jookTo

as I said jookTo was overrated by some

Its not just about the korean flag.


JookTo was overated back in oGs.
2muchSWAG
Profile Joined January 2013
76 Posts
January 18 2013 17:49 GMT
#1428
On January 19 2013 02:47 ramon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:44 2muchSWAG wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:39 Ventris wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:37 2muchSWAG wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:36 scgaming4 wrote:
he lost after the 11/11 no point in staying


He stayed because he expected Nerchio to play correctly, not do a random all in. If Nerchio had played correctly, Yoda would have out macro'd him easily with like 6 drops at the same time and a push at the 4th

What do you mean "play correctly". Nerchio defended the 11/11, saw an opportunity and killed YoDa. Sound correct for me.


According to Idra, who is a top 3 foreigner along with Scarlett and Stephano, playing correctly is not doing things like roach bane all ins. If he truly played correctly he would have out macro'd Yoda (which will never happen unless both of yoda's hands break). Terran NEEDS to do early economic damage to Zerg in order to survive the late game. Yoda was playing standard. Yes he mismicro'd because he was jet lagged but Nerchio should not have all ined like that. He should have macro'd it out. I don't know if you remember this game but back in like March of 2011, Idra was playing an MLG (or some foreign tourney) and he 10 pooled against a hatch first on lost temple. He won and typed out "so this is what it's like to play bad."

In order to play correctly, you need to play a macro game. According to Idra, who is pretty much correct at everything, that is how you should play the game, and I agree with him

I think IdrA is top 1 foreigner, but you are correct at everything else

+ Show Spoiler +
it's too obvious, man, but nice try


Yes, thank you for agreeing with me. And yes, it is obvious that I am correct at everything else and idra is a top 1 foreigner. Best foreign mechanics and Ro8 GSL. No other foreign Zerg can match that.
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n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
January 18 2013 17:49 GMT
#1429
yoda looks sooo far ahead
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
January 18 2013 17:50 GMT
#1430
Yoda to take this np
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
MyNameIsAlex
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece827 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 17:50:25
January 18 2013 17:50 GMT
#1431
On January 19 2013 02:49 n0ise wrote:
yoda looks sooo far ahead

I think nerchio can take it.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
January 18 2013 17:51 GMT
#1432
It would be nice with a tab for existing buildings for all players too.
mijellin
Profile Joined November 2008
China740 Posts
January 18 2013 17:51 GMT
#1433
On January 19 2013 02:49 2muchSWAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:47 ramon wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:44 2muchSWAG wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:39 Ventris wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:37 2muchSWAG wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:36 scgaming4 wrote:
he lost after the 11/11 no point in staying


He stayed because he expected Nerchio to play correctly, not do a random all in. If Nerchio had played correctly, Yoda would have out macro'd him easily with like 6 drops at the same time and a push at the 4th

What do you mean "play correctly". Nerchio defended the 11/11, saw an opportunity and killed YoDa. Sound correct for me.


According to Idra, who is a top 3 foreigner along with Scarlett and Stephano, playing correctly is not doing things like roach bane all ins. If he truly played correctly he would have out macro'd Yoda (which will never happen unless both of yoda's hands break). Terran NEEDS to do early economic damage to Zerg in order to survive the late game. Yoda was playing standard. Yes he mismicro'd because he was jet lagged but Nerchio should not have all ined like that. He should have macro'd it out. I don't know if you remember this game but back in like March of 2011, Idra was playing an MLG (or some foreign tourney) and he 10 pooled against a hatch first on lost temple. He won and typed out "so this is what it's like to play bad."

In order to play correctly, you need to play a macro game. According to Idra, who is pretty much correct at everything, that is how you should play the game, and I agree with him

I think IdrA is top 1 foreigner, but you are correct at everything else

+ Show Spoiler +
it's too obvious, man, but nice try


Yes, thank you for agreeing with me. And yes, it is obvious that I am correct at everything else and idra is a top 1 foreigner. Best foreign mechanics and Ro8 GSL. No other foreign Zerg can match that.


Idra is top 2 foreigner AT BEST
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
January 18 2013 17:51 GMT
#1434
On January 19 2013 02:50 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:49 n0ise wrote:
yoda looks sooo far ahead

I think nerchio can take it.


BIG infested terran spawn :D
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
January 18 2013 17:52 GMT
#1435
On January 19 2013 02:50 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:49 n0ise wrote:
yoda looks sooo far ahead

?


good tech, good eco, ups, relatively late t3... that's a pretty solid position to be in

the roach attack, was (counterintuitively?) not too bad for yoda
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
January 18 2013 17:52 GMT
#1436
On January 19 2013 02:45 Heartland wrote:
Idra is a top three foreigner now? ; )


not even in team eg.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
January 18 2013 17:52 GMT
#1437
Dat YoDa macro.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
January 18 2013 17:52 GMT
#1438
nerchios macro fell apart completely like 2 minutes ago lol
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2013 17:52 GMT
#1439
Looks like Nerchio's mechanics failed him here.
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Chaosu
Profile Joined October 2005
Poland404 Posts
January 18 2013 17:52 GMT
#1440
On January 19 2013 02:38 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:35 Chaosu wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:31 00Visor wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:27 Chaosu wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:24 00Visor wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:22 Chaosu wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:16 00Visor wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:13 Chaosu wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:05 00Visor wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:03 eurTsItniH wrote:
How exactly is it a bad system if the one with the most map wins moves on? You make it sound like it is all unusual, but infact it is usually the way same in football (map wins=goals in this case).

In football it makes sense, because you stimulate the teams to play offensive because you reward more total goals.
This doesnt apply to map wins, so it doesnt make sense there.

Why, I am asking why you don't stimulate the players to take one game off an opponent even when you're losing a series?

No. Thats already stimulated, because players would have a worse map difference if they wouldnt take that game.
Counting total map wins changes nothing there.

Winning in close series is better than losing in close series. Losing in close series is better than being owned. What doesn't make sence here to you?

It is already better because you get a better map difference.
(you are arguing to count total map wins which changes nothing in that regard)

Sorry? Grubby had 7 wins and Moonglade 6, isn't it based on total map wins and you're arguing it should be based on ratio instead?

Yes.
Maybe you think carefully through what I explained. Don't know if I can say it better.

I agree what you said about ratio and that it also encourages to win more games _but_ I think that if we go from here: how to encourage players to win as many games as possible? It's not winratio but most wins that comes as a natural answer. That's my opinion.


How does most total wins encourage you to get more wins than win ratio? Please explain your logic. Opinion isn't really relevant here we can talk about it completely objectively.

They are not playing fixed number of games. If they were then ratio would naturally make sence. In case of set of bo3s, having less wins means you didn't fought good enough in every single game.

Yes, it's not ideal since wins aren't weighted. A typical round robin tournament (with fixed number of games) would have Sonnenborg-Berger but it's not valid (at least not in standard form) for bo3's (non fixed number of games).

On January 19 2013 02:40 00Visor wrote:
You are encouraging players to win as many games as possible by counting the map difference as first tie-breaker.
You can't encourage it more than that.

Map difference isn't same as map ratio to me, but whatever, maybe I just don't get it.
Please be patient.
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