EPTHowever he should be able to deal with Mini.
So MaNa vs MVP will decide the 2nd place in this group.
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Ch3rry
Poland230 Posts
However he should be able to deal with Mini. So MaNa vs MVP will decide the 2nd place in this group. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On December 24 2012 01:38 TigerKarl wrote: Sad that this tournament is risking it's own success by having to many koreans participating. It's not good to hope for a good foreigner run, instead of making sure that foreigners will advance far by limiting the korean number. Did you actually see how people responded to the lineup? | ||
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kju
6143 Posts
On December 23 2012 12:18 StarVe wrote: Mvp 2-0 Mini MaNa 1-2 Stephano Mvp 0-2 Stephano Mini 1-2 MaNa Mvp 2-1 MaNa Mvp should still be good enough to beat Mini and most likely Mana, but I won't have much hope for him against Stephano after his recent performances (and taking Mvp's games in the first Iron Squid tournament into account, he doesn't seem comfortable online either). I remember him losing to Idra on Mvp Shipyard  | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 24 2012 01:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: Did you actually see how people responded to the lineup? Don't bother. Some people think that ratings will go up just because a foreigner gets far. They don't get that the draw is foreigners getting far AGAINST the top players (Koreans). | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
Mvp, man! | ||
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pmp10
3402 Posts
On December 24 2012 01:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: Did you actually see how people responded to the lineup? Hardcore audience differs from the casual one. There are good reasons why some foreigner players keep getting invites even if their play-level remains unimpressive. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 24 2012 01:38 TigerKarl wrote: Sad that this tournament is risking it's own success by having to many koreans participating. It's not good to hope for a good foreigner run, instead of making sure that foreigners will advance far by limiting the korean number. Oh shut up. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On December 24 2012 02:28 Darpa wrote: question, I couldnt find it on their site, but when is the live finals event? Saturday 26.01.13, according to liquipedia | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
Your feelings of elitism won't save tournaments from making bad decisions. 21 koreans in a 32 man tournament may be cool for you, but you're not the 20.000 people who won't tune in if the top8 is all korean. I have no problem watching top koreans play, but i won't close my eyes to the fact that a remarkable amount of people find that really lame, so if you're not willing to put in your money to replace missing ad revenue, then maybe you + Show Spoiler + better shut up? | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 24 2012 02:28 Darpa wrote: question, I couldnt find it on their site, but when is the live finals event? The semifinals and finals will be held offline on 26 January 2013 in Paris, at Le Palais des Congrès, that can accommodate 3700 spectators. They didn't update it from the other one on their main page, but it really isn't that hard to find elswhere. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 24 2012 02:31 TigerKarl wrote: Your feelings of elitism won't save tournaments from making bad decisions. 21 koreans in a 32 man tournament may be cool for you, but you're not the 20.000 people who won't tune in if the top8 is all korean. I have no problem watching top koreans play, but i won't close my eyes to the fact that a remarkable amount of people find that really lame, so if you're not willing to put in your money to replace missing ad revenue, then maybe you + Show Spoiler + better shut up? It's not feelings of elitism and its not a bad decision on their part at all. That's completely subjective. Guess what smartass? The finals sold out with the flick of their fingers. You deserve a whack over the head. | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
On December 24 2012 02:34 StarStruck wrote: It's not feelings of elitism and its not a bad decision on their part at all. That's completely subjective. Guess what smartass? The finals sold out with the flick of their fingers. You deserve a whack over the head. namecalling isn't solving any discussions, it just makes you look pretty bad. You deserve a lesson in economy. Ask people who are in the industry or listen to what they say publicly on shows and you will find out what's actually going on. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On December 24 2012 02:38 TigerKarl wrote: namecalling isn't solving any discussions, it just makes you look pretty bad. You deserve a lesson in economy. Ask people who are in the industry or listen to what they say publicly on shows and you will find out what's actually going on. Why don't you take all your education somewhere else and let people actually watch the sold out finals. Interestingly enough IPL5 was voted the most popular tournament of the year recently and guess how many foreigners played an important rule during that one. | ||
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
On December 24 2012 02:31 TigerKarl wrote: Your feelings of elitism won't save tournaments from making bad decisions. 21 koreans in a 32 man tournament may be cool for you, but you're not the 20.000 people who won't tune in if the top8 is all korean. I have no problem watching top koreans play, but i won't close my eyes to the fact that a remarkable amount of people find that really lame, so if you're not willing to put in your money to replace missing ad revenue, then maybe you + Show Spoiler + better shut up? Did you watch the live finals of the first Iron Squid? The 4 players were Symbol, Nestea, Alive and MMA Live event, packed, in Paris. But don't worry. Your foreigner fill will most probably be filled by Stephano. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
One: I was in the industry. Two: I follow the industry just as well as anyone else. Three: Opinions. Some have more weight than others. Also, I would hope you could think for yourself and not buy into everything you hear. Four: Substance. What part of they sold their tickets pretty darn fast did you not understand? Five: Did you see their figures? Six: We'll come back to this one. I watched HSC and TB's last invitational which was just within the last few weeks. How about this we come back here and compare the figures and numbers after the fact and don't be surprised when the figures are roughly the same okay buster? With that said, Iron Squid does an exceptionally good job for being an Invitational and many people can learn from what they're doing. Hat goes off to the oGs team. | ||
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Luepert
United States1934 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On December 24 2012 02:38 TigerKarl wrote: namecalling isn't solving any discussions, it just makes you look pretty bad. You deserve a lesson in economy. Ask people who are in the industry or listen to what they say publicly on shows and you will find out what's actually going on. People who run these shows and pledge for better foreigner presence in tournaments are usually bitter public figures who lost their relevancy over time. You should not let these clowns influence your taste for good starcraft. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On December 24 2012 02:31 TigerKarl wrote: Your feelings of elitism won't save tournaments from making bad decisions. 21 koreans in a 32 man tournament may be cool for you, but you're not the 20.000 people who won't tune in if the top8 is all korean. I have no problem watching top koreans play, but i won't close my eyes to the fact that a remarkable amount of people find that really lame, so if you're not willing to put in your money to replace missing ad revenue, then maybe you + Show Spoiler + better shut up? I think this is a myth. Do people really want to watch worse starcraft? | ||
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KingOfNoodles
Australia379 Posts
On December 24 2012 02:55 TommyP wrote: I think this is a myth. Do people really want to watch worse starcraft? I've talked to my friends who watch starcraft about this. Some of them don't have time and is really only interested in the best games, because of this, they prefer to watch GSL or events that feature the most skilled players (usually koreans). A lot of people who watch don't really have the mentality to care too much about who plays, but rather the entertainment value of the games. It just so happens that the top korean players are best at delivering that. | ||
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