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Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
December 16 2012 09:13 GMT
#2461
On December 16 2012 18:11 Wombat_NI wrote:
Speaking of manner moves, godamnit we need to see more manner neurals on probes into manner nexuses. Get more creative pros come on.

A whole new level manner neural for zerg:
Neural SCV, Build plenty of CC,
Mass Mules + Mass Scan-flower on T player
????
Profit.
ヾ(@⌒_⌒@)ノ
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 16 2012 09:13 GMT
#2462
On December 16 2012 18:11 TheSwamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:10 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Bitter is a moron, Jaedong would get murdered on Ohana by a protoss


Anyone who doubts the Dong is a moron IMO.


nah man he would get murdered, like he did in the previous match.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
December 16 2012 09:13 GMT
#2463
On December 16 2012 18:11 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:10 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Bitter is a moron, Jaedong would get murdered on Ohana by a protoss



He said that immortal/sentry all-in should be 100% win for zerg when scouted.


If I promise you ahead of time im going immortal sentry and then no matter what you see the zerg do you go immortal sentry then yes it can be held. Though even then I wouldnt say 100%.
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
December 16 2012 09:13 GMT
#2464
4Gates to rule them all! Taeja's 3CC. GG.
Zhou
Profile Joined February 2009
United States832 Posts
December 16 2012 09:13 GMT
#2465
Taeja. :3 <3
Wolfswood
Profile Joined October 2012
United States349 Posts
December 16 2012 09:13 GMT
#2466
On December 16 2012 18:11 casualman wrote:
I don't think Kespa protosses have ever had to deal with the pains of the 1/1/1 era of TvP. Taeja you know what do to. Get' em!
This is actually a really good call, take away their chances to out-mechanic/multitask by just rolling in with tanks and shit. Ohana is a good map for it anyway.
omnipotence...got to get me some of that
Azhrei16
Profile Joined August 2011
United States284 Posts
December 16 2012 09:13 GMT
#2467
On December 16 2012 18:12 Goibon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:11 Chronos. wrote:
Mr. Bitter thinks Jaedong may be best Zerg in Korea??? I like Jaedong and all, but he's not even close.

I interpreted this as best Zerg in Kespa for some reason. I wonder if that's what he meant. He also said that 'they' (whoever they are) think that, not Bitter himself.


Mr.Bitter was just mentioning earlier that MC said Jaedong is top 3 in terms of Zergs in Korea. Probably just mis-spoke.
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
December 16 2012 09:13 GMT
#2468
On December 16 2012 18:12 Goibon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:11 Chronos. wrote:
Mr. Bitter thinks Jaedong may be best Zerg in Korea??? I like Jaedong and all, but he's not even close.

I interpreted this as best Zerg in Kespa for some reason. I wonder if that's what he meant. He also said that 'they' (whoever they are) think that, not Bitter himself.


MC told me that HE thinks JD is the best Zerg in Korea. JD, Hyun and Life, he said.
Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
December 16 2012 09:13 GMT
#2469
This is going to be an interesting match

Fall down 9 times, Get up 10.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24398 Posts
December 16 2012 09:14 GMT
#2470
On December 16 2012 18:12 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:07 Exarl25 wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:04 Vanadium wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:59 Exarl25 wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:56 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:54 Exarl25 wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:51 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:48 andaylin wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:44 andaylin wrote:
[quote]
Lol, this is funny. let's just keep making GSL formula maps and play that all day.


So you're implying that every non-GSL map do not allow the metagame to play out? That is ridiculous, new maps are fine. Not wonky maps though, not for a legitimate competitive game.

Oh please stop with the metagame thing. I don't want to see the same shit every game and it's obvious these new maps are being well received. Watch some games on the map before you say if doesn't produce competitive games.


Sure, if all you're interested in is entertaining games. A competitive RTS is more about entertainment, there is supposed to be a developed strategic skillset involved. That's what keeps it interesting in the long run anyway.


Mindlessly doing the exact same cookie cutter build every single game on every single map is not a developed strategic skillset. Here we see those who prepare for a map, come up with their own strategies, actually adapt and play smart are those who do well.


Playing the metagame is nothing like doing the exact same old cookie cutter build... You have no idea what you're talking about.


These days it is. Sure it's important to have some degree of consistency to allow a metagame to develop. But what we see in SC2 now is not a developing metagame, it's stagnation. Every game plays out the same, every map plays out the same. It's boring as shit. You need to keep things fresh and reward innovation.

Some crazy new maps to shake things up a bit are a very welcome addition and long overdue. The overwhelmingly favorable response should be proof enough of that.


I don't think we ought to conflate his point on the metagame with the fact that the current metagame is stale. These are separate issues. I don't think his point was ever that there should never be new maps, it's that really odd maps can be gimmicky, which is something that COULD happen to Arkanoid. Some clever player might just figure out the map, and then it'll be a never-ending litany of mirror matchups with the same build. This is just as bad of a metagame.


If that happens then you scrap the map. You should constantly be introducing new ones anyway. Often maps can produce incredible games at first until it's flaws are figured out and when that happens you just move on to something else. Daybreak is a prime example of this. Universally loved at first that map should have been retired long ago because these days it produces the most boring PvZ games possible.


I agree that the current map pool is stale, and new maps should be introduced more often. Preferably not too many large maps either. But introducing maps such as arkanoid is not the solution.

Also, don't confuse 'playing the metagame' with playing standard. There are hundreds of different builds and strategies for every race in sc2 right now, there is a ton of potential for different and interesting games.

Yeah we do see a lot of variation in PvZ especially in the current map pool don't we?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ExceeD_DreaM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada500 Posts
December 16 2012 09:14 GMT
#2471
Highlight 1st place match was awesome though... you must admit!
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
December 16 2012 09:14 GMT
#2472
On December 16 2012 18:11 Dodgin wrote:
I wish they sent HuK for real and he somehow won would have been the best thing ever


It would end up like that time when Choya sent himself as the ace in GSTL and lost.
☆*:.。. o(≧▽≦)o .。.:*☆
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
December 16 2012 09:14 GMT
#2473
On December 16 2012 18:12 Ydriel wrote:
Man, gotta say, after pl started, it's been pretty much 90% of all SC2 I've watched, and it has delivered the most fun games ^^ Let's hope for a great game! Gogo Taeja ^^


You never know whats gonna happen in PL xD

hoping for a good game~
:)
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
December 16 2012 09:14 GMT
#2474
On December 16 2012 18:11 OrangeNinja21 wrote:
Teaja is my Fantasy team Captain!!! He Must Win!!!!!!


herO[jOin] is mine. I don't like the postion that I have found myself in. I stand to make so serious e-sports dollars if he wins.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
December 16 2012 09:14 GMT
#2475
On December 16 2012 18:11 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:10 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Bitter is a moron, Jaedong would get murdered on Ohana by a protoss



He said that immortal/sentry all-in should be 100% win for zerg when scouted.

Jaedong did scout it in week 1 -.-. I suppose he could be right in that assessment, but I don't Jaedong is quite at that level yet.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
December 16 2012 09:14 GMT
#2476
On December 16 2012 18:11 TheSwamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:10 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Bitter is a moron, Jaedong would get murdered on Ohana by a protoss


Anyone who doubts the Dong is a moron IMO.

Back when he was The Tyrant? Sure. Now? There's justification for doubting him.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
December 16 2012 09:14 GMT
#2477
On December 16 2012 18:13 Moka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:11 Wombat_NI wrote:
Speaking of manner moves, godamnit we need to see more manner neurals on probes into manner nexuses. Get more creative pros come on.

A whole new level manner neural for zerg:
Neural SCV, Build plenty of CC,
Mass Mules + Mass Scan-flower on T player
????
Profit.

I look forward to manner abduct on marines and lings
Refer to my post.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
December 16 2012 09:14 GMT
#2478
On December 16 2012 18:13 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:12 Goibon wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:11 Chronos. wrote:
Mr. Bitter thinks Jaedong may be best Zerg in Korea??? I like Jaedong and all, but he's not even close.

I interpreted this as best Zerg in Kespa for some reason. I wonder if that's what he meant. He also said that 'they' (whoever they are) think that, not Bitter himself.


MC told me that HE thinks JD is the best Zerg in Korea. JD, Hyun and Life, he said.


Silly MC so jealous of Leenocks skill.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
December 16 2012 09:14 GMT
#2479
On December 16 2012 18:13 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:11 stuchiu wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:10 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Bitter is a moron, Jaedong would get murdered on Ohana by a protoss



He said that immortal/sentry all-in should be 100% win for zerg when scouted.


If I promise you ahead of time im going immortal sentry and then no matter what you see the zerg do you go immortal sentry then yes it can be held. Though even then I wouldnt say 100%.


Jaedong said in an interview that he defends it in practice and will definitely win if he faces it again.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
December 16 2012 09:14 GMT
#2480
On December 16 2012 18:12 Belha wrote:
Those "top matches"... Atrocious games lol.

Those were picked only from 2 matches from the first week.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
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