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spbelky
United States623 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:46 Chrian wrote: Hooray, more reasons to be a parting anti-fan MVP didn't really give him any other option... Still I feel really cheated. If MVP drops out in the group stages (quite likely now) I don't know if I will even watch the rest of the tournament... I'm sick of the lack of Terran the past year.. in so many tournaments too.. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:48 sitromit wrote: Terran has theirs. The one Noblesse and Bomber killed DRG with, Polt's Marauder Hellion. 2 Factory Blue Flame etc etc. DRG didn't build ANY units... Marauders hellions has not work for ages. 2 Fac Blue Flame is decent if zerg doesn't make roaches. But if you look at the game, it seems that Ts lose to all-ins much more frequently in their match ups. One reason is maybe the popularity of the 3 CC builds. | ||
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proofy
Canada283 Posts
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Diogenes
United States132 Posts
He's also fighting against age, he's 10 years older than almost all his top competition. I love MVP but he's probably on the way out in a ruthless super competitive environment like RTS. And it only is going to get more demanding from here with more need for high APM, multi-tasking and constant practice.  Is most of his competition 12? I think you mistook MVP for Nestea. MVP is still relatively young and SC2 is not as mechanically strenous as SC1 was in terms of raw apm needed to compete. MVP is great at planning series and playing mind games but he's not as good in a round robin setting as we've seen in many of these big 2-3 day tourneys. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:50 Flonomenalz wrote: oh? So we're just going to ignore: - 2 rax - 2 fact hellions - proxy marauders v P - proxy facts/starport - hellion/cloakshee openers - hellion drop/marine pressure openers - hellion marauder all in Zerg has: - roach/ling pressure/all in - ling/bane pressure/all in - slow ling all in against aggressive P Yeah, we definitely have more options, totally -_- How often do you see a terran hold an immortal bust, or a sentry zealot stalker bust, or a speedlot storm bust? Conversely how often do you see a protoss lose to any of these pressures you listed? | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:49 Maloreon wrote: He's also fighting against age, he's 10 years older than almost all his top competition. I love MVP but he's probably on the way out in a ruthless super competitive environment like RTS. And it only is going to get more demanding from here with more need for high APM, multi-tasking and constant practice. What? Get your facts straight... | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:51 proofy wrote: I hope the next 2 sets go quickly, so I can catch one more Mvp set before proleague. I don't think Mvp plays again for ~ 2hours (normal GSL time) | ||
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willyallthewei
United States265 Posts
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
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Maesy
United States1444 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:50 Flonomenalz wrote: oh? So we're just going to ignore: - 2 rax - 2 fact hellions - proxy marauders v P - proxy facts/starport - hellion/cloakshee openers - hellion drop/marine pressure openers - hellion marauder all in Zerg has: - roach/ling pressure/all in - ling/bane pressure/all in - slow ling all in against aggressive P Yeah, we definitely have more options, totally -_- You make my head hurt. Stop posting. | ||
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Entirety
1423 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:49 Maloreon wrote: He's also fighting against age, he's 10 years older than almost all his top competition. I love MVP but he's probably on the way out in a ruthless super competitive environment like RTS. And it only is going to get more demanding from here with more need for high APM, multi-tasking and constant practice. I didn't know Mvp's top competition was 10 years old. | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:49 samurai80 wrote: Sorry dude, not that I dislike him but I prefer PartinG and wanted to see that happen once at least. To be fair, I wanted to see at least a bit more terrans too. Especially I hope Mvp can at least win against Leenock. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:51 spbelky wrote: MVP didn't really give him any other option... Still I feel really cheated. If MVP drops out in the group stages (quite likely now) I don't know if I will even watch the rest of the tournament... I'm sick of the lack of Terran the past year.. in so many tournaments too.. Look at it as justice for this. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:50 Flonomenalz wrote: oh? So we're just going to ignore: - 2 rax - 2 fact hellions - proxy marauders v P - proxy facts/starport - hellion/cloakshee openers - hellion drop/marine pressure openers - hellion marauder all in Zerg has: - roach/ling pressure/all in - ling/bane pressure/all in - slow ling all in against aggressive P Yeah, we definitely have more options, totally -_- Best doesn't mean the most options. Problem with a lot of the terran pressure is that P and Z have relative eco builds which are still safe against T all-ins even without scout. For roach/immortal all-ins, Ts HAVE to scout it. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:53 neoghaleon55 wrote: how did DRG and Mvp get warnings apparently they were late | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:51 vthree wrote: DRG didn't build ANY units... Marauders hellions has not work for ages. 2 Fac Blue Flame is decent if zerg doesn't make roaches. But if you look at the game, it seems that Ts lose to all-ins much more frequently in their match ups. One reason is maybe the popularity of the 3 CC builds. Polt has an insane win rate with Marauder Hellion. Hack used it last week with success too. It works more often than it doesn't. You're right about DRG. I'm not saying he lost to a particularly strong all in. I just find it humorous because one of the things Terrans have been saying lately is that 5 range Queens make Zerg invincible to early pressure and Zerg doesn't have to spend any larva on units. Well, DRG had Queens, 6 of them, and all Terran had to do was build a bunch of Marines and go kill him, so there. This to me is not much different from Terrans delaying siege mode and not building any units, and dying to 5-10 Roaches. | ||
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