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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 12 2012 21:17 GMT
#221
I didn't get MKP's plan either, it's like he was going for standard bio play but chose to be passive with it.
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Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
December 12 2012 21:18 GMT
#222
yeah the only reasonable explanation is that scarlett is miles ahead of MKP in terms of skill. Its obvious!

User was warned for this post
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
December 12 2012 21:18 GMT
#223
On December 13 2012 06:18 Fjodorov wrote:
yeah the only reasonable explanation is that scarlett is miles ahead of MKP in terms of skill. Its obvious!

No, the only reasonable explanation is that MKP played a bad game.

Individual games or even series say nothing about skill.
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
December 12 2012 21:19 GMT
#224
you guys forget that terrans have to at least move out and engage the zerg every once in awhile. Lets not just blame Scarlet here because marineking didnt harass, didnt drop, didnt do anything to get her away from her build he just let her build up. On top of that most terrans would still drop harass and stuff but marineking just kept letting the creep spread and engaged her head on.
troi oi thang map nai!!!
Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
December 12 2012 21:19 GMT
#225
If you really think imbalance played a factor in that game and that was not Scarlett's absurd mechanics and MKP's passivity then I don't think SC2 is a game you will enjoy watching. It's beyond obvious. Done with the discussion, hope the next game goes the same way if only to make a point about Scarlett's mechanics.
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
December 12 2012 21:19 GMT
#226
On December 13 2012 06:18 Fjodorov wrote:
yeah the only reasonable explanation is that scarlett is miles ahead of MKP in terms of skill. Its obvious!


Well, MKP's play was awfully uninspired in that game
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Hiea
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark1538 Posts
December 12 2012 21:20 GMT
#227
On December 13 2012 06:17 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 06:15 nomyx wrote:
On December 13 2012 06:13 Bagi wrote:
I know Scarlett is a fantastic player, but ZvT just shouldn't look this easy for the zerg.

I dunno, just awkward to watch.

Zerg is macro race, if you play macro game you die :D

You can play macro games vs Zerg. "Macro" doesn't mean you're not allowed to harass or attack before 15 minutes.

The problem is you can only play "macro" games against zergs (straight up no attacking) if its on a massive open map like Whirlwind, because Brood Lords are weak there, but on a map like Ohana, it's almost impossible to abuse the slow brood lords, its up to the zerg to not stop drops.
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
December 12 2012 21:20 GMT
#228
13 minute creep at your natural, fungals destroy everything,broodlords wipe whatever is left,4k in the bank of each resource, same old same old

even the casters sound bored as fuck at this point


zzzzz
In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
karpotoss
Profile Joined November 2012
135 Posts
December 12 2012 21:20 GMT
#229
On December 13 2012 06:17 Xacez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 06:16 HaXXspetten wrote:
can't believe some people are complaining at anything whatsoever lol, MKP played terrible, deal with it

Sadly it would not be a live report without people complaining.


Yeah scarlett showed good mechanics, but imo it shouldnt be 200 vs 200 army, terran loses everything in literally 10 seconds while zerg loses next to nothing, except for banes which are suicidal
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
December 12 2012 21:20 GMT
#230
On December 13 2012 06:17 Fusilero wrote:
I didn't get MKP's plan either, it's like he was going for standard bio play but chose to be passive with it.


Remember Bomber vs DRG on Ohana? Bomber was dropping everywhere with Bio and constantly pressuring DRG with no avail. He ends up winning because he wasn't passive despite being down in economy (I think) and bought his way back. A player like MKP should have used his multi-tasking and Bio micro to constantly pressure the Zerg, not just turtle up with Bio when it is almost guaranteed a few Fungals would end it there.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
December 12 2012 21:21 GMT
#231
On December 13 2012 06:20 SKYFISH_ wrote:
13 minute creep at your natural, fungals destroy everything,broodlords wipe whatever is left,4k in the bank of each resource, same old same old

even the casters sound bored as fuck at this point


zzzzz


Because every Zerg in the world has mechanics that good.. seriously there are ZERO other zergs in tournaments currently who can creep the whole map in 12:00. Either her opponents need to step up and deal with it or they can expect to get strangled by creep the whole game.
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
December 12 2012 21:21 GMT
#232
On December 13 2012 06:20 SKYFISH_ wrote:
13 minute creep at your natural, fungals destroy everything,broodlords wipe whatever is left,4k in the bank of each resource, same old same old

even the casters sound bored as fuck at this point


zzzzz


To be fair, they seemed to enjoy it. But, I suspect is because of their biases.
Never make a hydralisk.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
December 12 2012 21:21 GMT
#233
On December 13 2012 06:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 06:16 Dosey wrote:
On December 13 2012 06:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I dont understand the game plan from Marineking

I always thought this was standard for MKP?

sit back and do nothing for 14 min is standard? he usually puts at least a little pressure on

I meant the no gameplan part. He usually just stumbles into a win with solid mechanics and super aggression.
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
December 12 2012 21:21 GMT
#234
On December 13 2012 06:20 SKYFISH_ wrote:
13 minute creep at your natural, fungals destroy everything,broodlords wipe whatever is left,4k in the bank of each resource, same old same old

even the casters sound bored as fuck at this point


zzzzz


cause mkp didnt do anything?
troi oi thang map nai!!!
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 12 2012 21:22 GMT
#235
One Raven, one, instead of wasting so many Mules worth of scans.... Terrans keep saying "OMG how am I supposed to put a tech lab on a Starport?" How do you get Banshees? How did Flash do it against Zenio?
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
December 12 2012 21:23 GMT
#236
On December 13 2012 06:20 karpotoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 06:17 Xacez wrote:
On December 13 2012 06:16 HaXXspetten wrote:
can't believe some people are complaining at anything whatsoever lol, MKP played terrible, deal with it

Sadly it would not be a live report without people complaining.


Yeah scarlett showed good mechanics, but imo it shouldnt be 200 vs 200 army, terran loses everything in literally 10 seconds while zerg loses next to nothing, except for banes which are suicidal


all hes tank was in the middle of trying to siege. if most of your units cant attack. moving unto creep and doing that, then yes you should lose them in 10s because the zerg sees what you are doing and you have no way of attacking back
karpotoss
Profile Joined November 2012
135 Posts
December 12 2012 21:23 GMT
#237
On December 13 2012 06:21 OhThatDang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 06:20 SKYFISH_ wrote:
13 minute creep at your natural, fungals destroy everything,broodlords wipe whatever is left,4k in the bank of each resource, same old same old

even the casters sound bored as fuck at this point


zzzzz


cause mkp didnt do anything?


It's shit that only one side is blamed for passivity of both sides
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
December 12 2012 21:25 GMT
#238
Scarlett did win the WCS NA championship, best NA player, 24,000 dollars for her achievement, she's a good player no doubt but MKP just sat back and figured scarlett would leave. 0 workers killed in an entire match? Whaat?
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
December 12 2012 21:25 GMT
#239
On December 13 2012 06:20 karpotoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 06:17 Xacez wrote:
On December 13 2012 06:16 HaXXspetten wrote:
can't believe some people are complaining at anything whatsoever lol, MKP played terrible, deal with it

Sadly it would not be a live report without people complaining.


Yeah scarlett showed good mechanics, but imo it shouldnt be 200 vs 200 army, terran loses everything in literally 10 seconds while zerg loses next to nothing, except for banes which are suicidal

It's not usually that one-sided, mkp just engaged horribly and got everything fungaled. He fucked up his control
M.R. McThundercrotch
Profile Joined June 2012
United States265 Posts
December 12 2012 21:25 GMT
#240
On December 13 2012 06:17 Maloreon wrote:
Defense is a lot easier with creep spread that good (the best in the world, period)... she could see anything coming a mile off. Don't know what MKP's plan is though - turtle in base and a-move into her army? Really weird.


Well, that was her plan. Maybe MKP thinks that is the reason Zergs have been so successful lately. His decision making has never been, uh...well, even adequate, really.
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