After three groups, fans could be afraid that Iron Squid would lose all of its Terrans in the group stage. But on Sunday the champion restored hope as he advanced taking the 2nd place of his group. Terran’s fans can be reassured, Group C includes two of the best Terrans in the world.
Liquid’s finest Terran is in for his first Iron Squid. TaeJa is probably the player who had the hottest run in StarCraft II history. TaeJa won nearly everything but GSL showing awesome skills all the way through. He was so good that he was invited in every tournament until the point fatigue started to get to him with a wrist injury. TaeJa is still doing well since but he is not dominating anymore. He got eliminated from the GSL Code S going down 0-4 and lost fairly quickly at IPL 5. Still he reached the finals of the last DreamHack Winter and the finals in NASL, which means he still know how to do it. 2012 was meant to be the year of Liquid and HerO and him brought a lot of success to their team, advancing in the Iron Squid would be a nice way to close the year.
Brown, the Zerg sniper
Just like TaeJa, Brown is a former SlayerS player. The Protoss was trained to snipe Zergs in team league and thus always did pretty well in PvZ. He proved it once more in the finals of the Korean qualifiers as he smashed Life 4-1. Brown’s progression was very quick and he reached Code S fairly easily. Sadly for him so was the fall. He fell out of GSL and although he qualified once more, he is yet to stabilize as a GSL player. Brown kept on training and remains a very strong player. Winning Iron Squid’s Korean qualifier was very impressive since it was a very stacked bracket. As a PvZ specialist, ending up in a group with two elite Terrans is not an ideal situation for Brown but he had time to prepare since he does not travel much to participate in foreign tournaments.
The face up
Two months ago, TaeJa would have been a massive favorite. Today, the Liquid Terran is still a favorite but the odds are not overwhelming. TaeJa is on a 0-9 streak versus Protoss, seven of these losses being courtesy of his teammate HerO. He is surely not as confident as he used to be. Even when he was at his peak, if he was to be stopped, it would be a TvP. Brown has his chance in this match, and as he is yet to be announced by a team, a good showing in Iron Squid could help him.
Scarlett, North America’s finest
The adjective that would be the best to qualify Scarlett’s performance in about every tournament she enters would be “impressive”. The queen of Zerg is really discreet out of the game but transforms into a blood thirsty monster as soon as the game starts. Facing the Koreans is not scary for her as she revealed herself by beating some down during IPL 4. This is a good thing for her since she’s the only foreigner in that group. The Canadian got pretty bad luck with her seed, her three opponents are very good against Zergs. Scarlett his facing a huge challenge and although she already did well in a lot of tournaments, advancing from this group would be one of her highest accomplishment considering how tough it is. Goswser showed the way to foreigners, up to Scarlett to walk in his steps.
MarineKing, doing well since the beginning
Whatever the patch, whatever the time of the year, MarineKing has always been one of the most consistent Terrans in StarCraft II. This year was good for him as he went abroad to break his Kong curse and claimed his first trophies there. Then he focused on his practice in Korea but he is still yet to win a GSL. This was quite a frustrating year in the end for MKP as he was stopped in the rounds of 8 way too often. In the Iron Squid I for instance, he got annihilated by Symbol at the threshold of Paris. In GSL he reached the rounds of 8 several times and was always considered as a major contender to take the whole thing, but couldn’t do it. The Terran is eager for revenge and really wants his trip to Paris, the first step is to advance from a tricky group.
The face up
MarineKing is an outstanding TvZ player. His micro drove tons of Zergs crazy and can be described as a real artist of StarCraft II. He has a flaw though, he is often too greedy and tends to be punished for having too few units. Scarlett knows how to beat great Korean Terrans, she defeated Bomber at MLG. The window to beat MKP is not big, but if the Canadian hits it, she might pull the upset.
About advancing
Although they are favorites, it is nothing like a cake walk for the two Terrans. It would not be surprising to see Brown or Scarlett managing to sneak out of this group. Scarlett is surely less known by the Koreans and might use the effect of surprise to equal Goswser’s performance. The odds are quite low, and this group should offer two more Terrans in the rounds of 16. Unless one of those two great players is on a bad day.
TaeJa and MarineKing, two of the best Terrans in the world up against arguably one of the best foreign Zergs in the world and Brown, a player known for his PvZ. Really hard to see who is gonna go through. Personally, in my heart I'd love to see Scarlett beat them down.
Awww man. I'm hoping TaeJa can get out of this sick slump he's in.
Either way I'll be rooting for MKP,, and a little bit for Brown, just because he's an ex-SlayerS. Keep in mind, he beat Life 4-1 in the KR qualifier for this tourney, his PvZ is not half bad.
Mhh, hard group to call, TaeJa and MKP are probably the strongest players of the four but both Brown and Scarlett can easily upset them (it wouldn't even be a real upset).
On December 12 2012 20:20 KristofferAG wrote: Awww man. I'm hoping TaeJa can get out of this sick slump he's in.
Either way I'll be rooting for MKP,, and a little bit for Brown, just because he's an ex-SlayerS. Keep in mind, he beat Life 4-1 in the KR qualifier for this tourney, his PvZ is not half bad.
...yeah the one Life had to throw because of Korean law >.>
On December 12 2012 20:20 KristofferAG wrote: Awww man. I'm hoping TaeJa can get out of this sick slump he's in.
Either way I'll be rooting for MKP,, and a little bit for Brown, just because he's an ex-SlayerS. Keep in mind, he beat Life 4-1 in the KR qualifier for this tourney, his PvZ is not half bad.
...yeah the one Life had to throw because of Korean law >.>
On December 12 2012 20:20 KristofferAG wrote: Awww man. I'm hoping TaeJa can get out of this sick slump he's in.
Either way I'll be rooting for MKP,, and a little bit for Brown, just because he's an ex-SlayerS. Keep in mind, he beat Life 4-1 in the KR qualifier for this tourney, his PvZ is not half bad.
...yeah the one Life had to throw because of Korean law >.>
Wut?
Under 16 can't play after midnight. They started a bo7 not too long before midnight so Life just all inned every game and lost
On December 12 2012 21:05 Shellshock1122 wrote: I want to watch this so bad... but final exams TT
It's okay, finals aren't that important anyway.
On December 12 2012 23:25 HaXXspetten wrote:
On December 12 2012 20:20 KristofferAG wrote: Awww man. I'm hoping TaeJa can get out of this sick slump he's in.
Either way I'll be rooting for MKP,, and a little bit for Brown, just because he's an ex-SlayerS. Keep in mind, he beat Life 4-1 in the KR qualifier for this tourney, his PvZ is not half bad.
...yeah the one Life had to throw because of Korean law >.>
Wut?
Under 16 can't play after midnight. They started a bo7 not too long before midnight so Life just all inned every game and lost
On December 12 2012 21:05 Shellshock1122 wrote: I want to watch this so bad... but final exams TT
It's okay, finals aren't that important anyway.
On December 12 2012 23:25 HaXXspetten wrote:
On December 12 2012 20:20 KristofferAG wrote: Awww man. I'm hoping TaeJa can get out of this sick slump he's in.
Either way I'll be rooting for MKP,, and a little bit for Brown, just because he's an ex-SlayerS. Keep in mind, he beat Life 4-1 in the KR qualifier for this tourney, his PvZ is not half bad.
...yeah the one Life had to throw because of Korean law >.>
Wut?
Under 16 can't play after midnight. They started a bo7 not too long before midnight so Life just all inned every game and lost
Tough Life in third grade of middle school: Forced Shutdown + Unable to attend the press conference for GSL Finals
Life was taking part in the finals of the online Korean qualifiers for the Iron Squid 2 tournament, where he lost 1-4 to Brown.
The problem occurred in the second set. At that time, he was just going about playing, when Life received a reminder regarding a forced shutdown. It was then that he remembered, and mentioned in the chat "Oh yea, I am supposed to be forced shutdown." After that, he just grabbed all his army and forced an all-in on his opponent, which ended up failing.
Even though Life eventually lost to Brown, it doesn't affect his qualification.
There were more than 10000 foreign viewers watching via TwitchTV, and people were expressing their concerns regarding the actions of Life, and were quite shocked when they knew about the law in Korea which forces youths to go offline after a certain time.
Life is only 15 this year, and he's still a 3rd-grader in middle school. This Korean law which forces youths to go offline applies to youths below the age of 16, and they are not allowed to play online from 12am to 6am.
What gives Life even more of a headache is that he is still a student having his compulsory education in middle school and is unable to miss lessons. As a result, he will be unable to attend the GSL finals press conference held on the morning of the 17th, even though this is a standard for every season of GSL.
Startale's coach has this to say. "Because of the law for the compulsory shutdown, the tournament had to be played earlier, and to have enough attendance at school, Life is unable to attend the press conference in the morning. As a student in middle school, Life faces a lot of restrictions. We can overlook the compulsory education, but now there's this law for the forced shutdown. This makes it really difficult for the player to play to the best of his ability, and I think it's quite a pity."
Taeja and MKP to advance, eventhough MKP and Taeja aren't in the best shape, they're still leagues better than Scarlett(+recent patch has helped Terran a bit), i don't think Brown can upset here. 1.MKP 2.Taeja 3.Brown 4Scarlett
Where do you get the statistics for Scarletts poor ZvT?
The only source I could find the website was http://www.sc2charts.net/en/edb/players/1607, and that indicates a 73% winrate vs Terran (although maybe not enough games, since it doesnt indicate favored maps or whatever).
Just wondering, cause Scarletts ZvT seems to be better than 11% at least.
On December 13 2012 02:31 Sephinor wrote: On a side note, it seems that the venue for the finals in Paris has just been sold out!
That was fast. Well done french guys!
Heh, never thought I'd say that sentence.
Wow, indeed it seems to be sold out. 36€ for a basic entry, that wasn't cheap...Moreover the event take place in a pretty big hall, so they sold a lot.
On December 13 2012 02:31 Sephinor wrote: On a side note, it seems that the venue for the finals in Paris has just been sold out!
That was fast. Well done french guys!
Heh, never thought I'd say that sentence.
Wow, indeed it seems to be sold out. 36€ for a basic entry, that wasn't cheap...Moreover the event take place in a pretty big hall, so they sold a lot.
Yeah, it's like a 4000-seat theater afaik Ô_Ô
Very impressive by the french community once again
On December 13 2012 04:37 sitromit wrote: Are they really playing the game with this much lag? I suppose it's inevitable with one player in EU another in KR..
On December 13 2012 04:37 sitromit wrote: Are they really playing the game with this much lag? I suppose it's inevitable with one player in EU another in KR..
On December 13 2012 04:37 sitromit wrote: Are they really playing the game with this much lag? I suppose it's inevitable with one player in EU another in KR..
Replays? ._.
ACtually HotS matches are live and I'm pretty sure they are both in Europe atm. HotS server is just laggy.
On December 13 2012 05:22 Shellshock1122 wrote: well that was easy. nice job TaeJa
1. Get behind 2. ???? 3. Win anyway.
- TaeJa
To be fair though, that attack from Brown seemed pretty desperate.. It seemed like he was "Whoa, you have a third behind all of this?? Gotta kill that NOW!" and then overcommitted
On December 13 2012 05:15 Incomplet wrote: Is there meant to be no ingame music? Am I the only one who thinks the cast seems bland without music?
I kinda like it to be honest. There's a limit to how long I can listen to the same thing over and over again.
But there is ingame music. You just need to listen really hard.
i can understand that, but Ironsquid have their own player themes! They could rotate them in when the respective player is on! Or even better, when that particular player is winning!
On December 13 2012 05:31 deus.machinarum wrote: Wait....so Scarlett is on a second stream at the same time(Stormville vs DeMuslim)? kinda cool.... *fanboi scream*
On December 13 2012 05:31 deus.machinarum wrote: Wait....so Scarlett is on a second stream at the same time(Stormville vs DeMuslim)? kinda cool.... *fanboi scream*
this is from replays
looks like I misphrased that :/ I'm well aware that Iron Squid games have been played beforehand, just found it cool that she would be shown on 2 streams at the same time
On December 13 2012 05:45 dcemuser wrote: It's kind of odd that GSL and Iron Squid both get around 10k viewers but GSL LR threads are like 100+ pages and Iron Squid threads end at like 10.
I guess many people just don't care as much about online/replay tourneys
I think Iron Squid finals for season 1 had a lot more viewers though, but somebody might correct me on that.
On December 13 2012 05:45 dcemuser wrote: It's kind of odd that GSL and Iron Squid both get around 10k viewers but GSL LR threads are like 100+ pages and Iron Squid threads end at like 10.
On December 13 2012 05:45 dcemuser wrote: It's kind of odd that GSL and Iron Squid both get around 10k viewers but GSL LR threads are like 100+ pages and Iron Squid threads end at like 10.
I guess many people just don't care as much about online/replay tourneys
I think Iron Squid finals for season 1 had a lot more viewers though, but somebody might correct me on that.
It's like that for everything else that isn't a major. Look at all the other minors. People pick and choose what to watch and when to watch it.
On December 13 2012 05:50 Dosey wrote: Dat EG Curse.
Even simple team affiliation with them is curse worthy.
TaeJa hasn't been really performing for months. His real period of dominance was early at the start of the year. Other than that he's been very mediocre to finishing around the ro8. He's all over the place.
On December 13 2012 05:45 dcemuser wrote: It's kind of odd that GSL and Iron Squid both get around 10k viewers but GSL LR threads are like 100+ pages and Iron Squid threads end at like 10.
Whoah brown 2-1 taeja? I haven't seen the kid in a looooong time but I remember him being a one mu wonder has he stepped up his non PvZ big time or whatever?
On December 13 2012 05:45 dcemuser wrote: It's kind of odd that GSL and Iron Squid both get around 10k viewers but GSL LR threads are like 100+ pages and Iron Squid threads end at like 10.
Because twitch.tv viewer count doesn't include GOM player viewer count.
On December 13 2012 05:57 Fusilero wrote: Whoah brown 2-1 taeja? I haven't seen the kid in a looooong time but I remember him being a one mu wonder has he stepped up his non PvZ big time or whatever?
All three of the games were very short and decided very quickly based on split-second decision-making. Taeja made a couple of pretty bad calls and lost games for it.
On December 13 2012 05:45 dcemuser wrote: It's kind of odd that GSL and Iron Squid both get around 10k viewers but GSL LR threads are like 100+ pages and Iron Squid threads end at like 10.
Because twitch.tv viewer count doesn't include GOM player viewer count.
I'm talking during the week when they used Twitch.TV exclusively (there was no GOM Player stream).
On December 13 2012 05:57 Fusilero wrote: Whoah brown 2-1 taeja? I haven't seen the kid in a looooong time but I remember him being a one mu wonder has he stepped up his non PvZ big time or whatever?
Not really... both of his wins were GGs before the 10 minute mark against greedy terran.
On December 13 2012 05:50 Dosey wrote: Dat EG Curse.
Even simple team affiliation with them is curse worthy.
TaeJa hasn't been really performing for months. His real period of dominance was early at the start of the year. Other than that he's been very mediocre to finishing around the ro8. He's all over the place.
Didn't he come second in DreamHack Winter? That was less than 3 weeks ago!
On December 13 2012 05:50 Shellshock1122 wrote: so im guessing mkp is a 81% favorite in thebb's program because of limited data?
Scarlett has a pretty poor ZvT rating for some reason.
I think she's been eliminated from nearly every tournament I can remember by a Terran player.
When I think of Scarlett, I think of her countless ZvPs honestly.
are you sure she's eliminated by terrans? what comes to mind for me is WCS : losses to Creator and Parting MLG Fall: losses to Heart and Daisy IPL5: losses to Sleep and DongRaeGu what tournaments am i missing where she was eliminated by terrans?
On December 13 2012 05:57 Fusilero wrote: Whoah brown 2-1 taeja? I haven't seen the kid in a looooong time but I remember him being a one mu wonder has he stepped up his non PvZ big time or whatever?
Not really... both of his wins were GGs before the 10 minute mark against greedy terran.
Fair enough a win's a win however and hey 2-1 taeja is going to look pretty slick on his resume to any potential teams :p
On December 13 2012 05:45 dcemuser wrote: It's kind of odd that GSL and Iron Squid both get around 10k viewers but GSL LR threads are like 100+ pages and Iron Squid threads end at like 10.
On December 13 2012 05:57 Fusilero wrote: Whoah brown 2-1 taeja? I haven't seen the kid in a looooong time but I remember him being a one mu wonder has he stepped up his non PvZ big time or whatever?
Was more of TaeJa's misplays than Brown's PvT brilliance. TaeJa did the same 2/1/1 all-in on Ohana which never works.
On December 13 2012 05:50 Shellshock1122 wrote: so im guessing mkp is a 81% favorite in thebb's program because of limited data?
Scarlett has a pretty poor ZvT rating for some reason.
I think she's been eliminated from nearly every tournament I can remember by a Terran player.
When I think of Scarlett, I think of her countless ZvPs honestly.
are you sure she's eliminated by terrans? what comes to mind for me is WCS : losses to Creator and Parting MLG Fall: losses to Heart and Daisy IPL5: losses to Sleep and DongRaeGu what tournaments am i missing where she was eliminated by terrans?
You're right. Looking back at her record, I think the low confidence in her ZvT is that she has lost just as many series as she's won, and every single win since IPL 4 (vs Demulism as well, ironically) has been a 2-1 victory in ZvT. She also went 2-5 versus Kas, and Kas' rating is probably significantly lower than hers overall, so that hurts as well.
On the other hand while her ZvP is around 50%, literally every game is versus a Korean Protoss, so 50% is actually very good.
On December 13 2012 05:50 Shellshock1122 wrote: so im guessing mkp is a 81% favorite in thebb's program because of limited data?
Scarlett has a pretty poor ZvT rating for some reason.
I think she's been eliminated from nearly every tournament I can remember by a Terran player.
When I think of Scarlett, I think of her countless ZvPs honestly.
are you sure she's eliminated by terrans? what comes to mind for me is WCS : losses to Creator and Parting MLG Fall: losses to Heart and Daisy IPL5: losses to Sleep and DongRaeGu what tournaments am i missing where she was eliminated by terrans?
You're right. Looking back at her record, I think the low confidence in her ZvT is that she has lost just as many series as she's won (lower win rate than her other matchups by quite a bit), and every single win since IPL 4 (vs Demulism as well, ironically) has been a 2-1 victory in ZvT.
yea i guess you're right. I'm having trouble remembering too many ZvT from here and they do all seem to be 2-1
On December 13 2012 05:50 Shellshock1122 wrote: so im guessing mkp is a 81% favorite in thebb's program because of limited data?
Scarlett has a pretty poor ZvT rating for some reason.
I think she's been eliminated from nearly every tournament I can remember by a Terran player.
When I think of Scarlett, I think of her countless ZvPs honestly.
are you sure she's eliminated by terrans? what comes to mind for me is WCS : losses to Creator and Parting MLG Fall: losses to Heart and Daisy IPL5: losses to Sleep and DongRaeGu what tournaments am i missing where she was eliminated by terrans?
You're right. Looking back at her record, I think the low confidence in her ZvT is that she has lost just as many series as she's won (lower win rate than her other matchups by quite a bit), and every single win since IPL 4 (vs Demulism as well, ironically) has been a 2-1 victory in ZvT. She also went 2-5 versus Kas, and Kas' rating is probably significantly lower than hers overall, so that hurts as well.
If she does well tonight you can expect her ZvT rating to increase quite a bit with the new list tomorrow. So far she is 4-0 in this period, including two over Ryung.
On December 13 2012 06:13 Bagi wrote: I know Scarlett is a fantastic player, but ZvT just shouldn't look this easy for the zerg.
I dunno, just awkward to watch.
I agree, it was incredibly weird seeing a Terran equal supply and upgrade army at 200/200 so easily destroyed by a Zerg just because of one small tactical misread.
Are people actually balance whining about this game? Scarlett showed insane mechanics and MKP afk'd for 12 minutes... seriously. Makes no sense to whine here.
On December 13 2012 06:13 Bagi wrote: I know Scarlett is a fantastic player, but ZvT just shouldn't look this easy for the zerg.
I dunno, just awkward to watch.
I agree, it was incredibly weird seeing a Terran equal supply and upgrade army at 200/200 so easily destroyed by a Zerg just because of one small tactical misread.
Getting literally every unit fungaled is not a "small tactical misread", the only way that engagement could have been worse is if mkp move-commanded everything, at least this way he killed some lings
On December 13 2012 06:13 Bagi wrote: I know Scarlett is a fantastic player, but ZvT just shouldn't look this easy for the zerg.
I dunno, just awkward to watch.
Just gotta wait for HOTS when terran is given the tools to deal with zerg more easily. Hellbats and the seeker missle changes made a pretty damn good adjustment to these types of plays.
On December 13 2012 06:13 Bagi wrote: I know Scarlett is a fantastic player, but ZvT just shouldn't look this easy for the zerg.
I dunno, just awkward to watch.
It's MarineKing's fault, not Scarlett's.
Scarlett gets to spread creep free and he doesn't even get an optimally fleshed out build. His supply at the 14 minute mark was way too low to compete with a zerg didn't get pressured at all for 15 minutes and played really greedy.
On December 13 2012 06:12 Popkiller wrote: "1st and 2nd match were played before the patch, the rest is played post patch"
we'll see.
With the way MKP engaged, that wouldn't have mattered at all. Her infestors were like 6 range from the tanks and marines and were okay because they were following behind a ton of Banes and Lings taking the majority of the fire.
Defense is a lot easier with creep spread that good (the best in the world, period)... she could see anything coming a mile off. Don't know what MKP's plan is though - turtle in base and a-move into her army? Really weird.
you guys forget that terrans have to at least move out and engage the zerg every once in awhile. Lets not just blame Scarlet here because marineking didnt harass, didnt drop, didnt do anything to get her away from her build he just let her build up. On top of that most terrans would still drop harass and stuff but marineking just kept letting the creep spread and engaged her head on.
If you really think imbalance played a factor in that game and that was not Scarlett's absurd mechanics and MKP's passivity then I don't think SC2 is a game you will enjoy watching. It's beyond obvious. Done with the discussion, hope the next game goes the same way if only to make a point about Scarlett's mechanics.
On December 13 2012 06:13 Bagi wrote: I know Scarlett is a fantastic player, but ZvT just shouldn't look this easy for the zerg.
I dunno, just awkward to watch.
Zerg is macro race, if you play macro game you die :D
You can play macro games vs Zerg. "Macro" doesn't mean you're not allowed to harass or attack before 15 minutes.
The problem is you can only play "macro" games against zergs (straight up no attacking) if its on a massive open map like Whirlwind, because Brood Lords are weak there, but on a map like Ohana, it's almost impossible to abuse the slow brood lords, its up to the zerg to not stop drops.
On December 13 2012 06:16 HaXXspetten wrote: can't believe some people are complaining at anything whatsoever lol, MKP played terrible, deal with it
Sadly it would not be a live report without people complaining.
Yeah scarlett showed good mechanics, but imo it shouldnt be 200 vs 200 army, terran loses everything in literally 10 seconds while zerg loses next to nothing, except for banes which are suicidal
On December 13 2012 06:17 Fusilero wrote: I didn't get MKP's plan either, it's like he was going for standard bio play but chose to be passive with it.
Remember Bomber vs DRG on Ohana? Bomber was dropping everywhere with Bio and constantly pressuring DRG with no avail. He ends up winning because he wasn't passive despite being down in economy (I think) and bought his way back. A player like MKP should have used his multi-tasking and Bio micro to constantly pressure the Zerg, not just turtle up with Bio when it is almost guaranteed a few Fungals would end it there.
On December 13 2012 06:20 SKYFISH_ wrote: 13 minute creep at your natural, fungals destroy everything,broodlords wipe whatever is left,4k in the bank of each resource, same old same old
even the casters sound bored as fuck at this point
zzzzz
Because every Zerg in the world has mechanics that good.. seriously there are ZERO other zergs in tournaments currently who can creep the whole map in 12:00. Either her opponents need to step up and deal with it or they can expect to get strangled by creep the whole game.
On December 13 2012 06:20 SKYFISH_ wrote: 13 minute creep at your natural, fungals destroy everything,broodlords wipe whatever is left,4k in the bank of each resource, same old same old
even the casters sound bored as fuck at this point
zzzzz
To be fair, they seemed to enjoy it. But, I suspect is because of their biases.
On December 13 2012 06:20 SKYFISH_ wrote: 13 minute creep at your natural, fungals destroy everything,broodlords wipe whatever is left,4k in the bank of each resource, same old same old
even the casters sound bored as fuck at this point
One Raven, one, instead of wasting so many Mules worth of scans.... Terrans keep saying "OMG how am I supposed to put a tech lab on a Starport?" How do you get Banshees? How did Flash do it against Zenio?
On December 13 2012 06:16 HaXXspetten wrote: can't believe some people are complaining at anything whatsoever lol, MKP played terrible, deal with it
Sadly it would not be a live report without people complaining.
Yeah scarlett showed good mechanics, but imo it shouldnt be 200 vs 200 army, terran loses everything in literally 10 seconds while zerg loses next to nothing, except for banes which are suicidal
all hes tank was in the middle of trying to siege. if most of your units cant attack. moving unto creep and doing that, then yes you should lose them in 10s because the zerg sees what you are doing and you have no way of attacking back
On December 13 2012 06:20 SKYFISH_ wrote: 13 minute creep at your natural, fungals destroy everything,broodlords wipe whatever is left,4k in the bank of each resource, same old same old
even the casters sound bored as fuck at this point
zzzzz
cause mkp didnt do anything?
It's shit that only one side is blamed for passivity of both sides
Scarlett did win the WCS NA championship, best NA player, 24,000 dollars for her achievement, she's a good player no doubt but MKP just sat back and figured scarlett would leave. 0 workers killed in an entire match? Whaat?
On December 13 2012 06:16 HaXXspetten wrote: can't believe some people are complaining at anything whatsoever lol, MKP played terrible, deal with it
Sadly it would not be a live report without people complaining.
Yeah scarlett showed good mechanics, but imo it shouldnt be 200 vs 200 army, terran loses everything in literally 10 seconds while zerg loses next to nothing, except for banes which are suicidal
It's not usually that one-sided, mkp just engaged horribly and got everything fungaled. He fucked up his control
On December 13 2012 06:17 Maloreon wrote: Defense is a lot easier with creep spread that good (the best in the world, period)... she could see anything coming a mile off. Don't know what MKP's plan is though - turtle in base and a-move into her army? Really weird.
Well, that was her plan. Maybe MKP thinks that is the reason Zergs have been so successful lately. His decision making has never been, uh...well, even adequate, really.
On December 13 2012 06:20 SKYFISH_ wrote: 13 minute creep at your natural, fungals destroy everything,broodlords wipe whatever is left,4k in the bank of each resource, same old same old
even the casters sound bored as fuck at this point
zzzzz
cause mkp didnt do anything?
It's shit that only one side is blamed for passivity of both sides
thats true but the current game is that you must punish the zerg before they punish you thats how the games been working for quite awhile now =/
See? MKP does a damn good early attack, does a lot of damage, limits scarlett to 2 queens. It's up to the terran player to do pressure or scarlett will do what she did in game 1 and get 12 minute brood lords
MKP is adapting, he's a good player. He knows what to do.
On December 13 2012 06:17 Fusilero wrote: I didn't get MKP's plan either, it's like he was going for standard bio play but chose to be passive with it.
Remember Bomber vs DRG on Ohana? Bomber was dropping everywhere with Bio and constantly pressuring DRG with no avail. He ends up winning because he wasn't passive despite being down in economy (I think) and bought his way back. A player like MKP should have used his multi-tasking and Bio micro to constantly pressure the Zerg, not just turtle up with Bio when it is almost guaranteed a few Fungals would end it there.
Gumiho is another example of bio play against zerg.
That was a pretty good trade, he did lose the PF but he killed 15 or so brood lords. The infestors are also out of energy, so they're just dead supply right now
In our LR thread for Code A yesterday I remember someone saying Scarlett's creep spread isn't good vs. harass or vs. Korean Terrans... check it out, she keeps the entire map creeped despite full banshee/hellion harass and constant attention from MKP for much of the game. Her mechanics are so insane even under pressure.
On December 13 2012 06:36 nomyx wrote: That was a pretty good trade, he did lose the PF but he killed 15 or so brood lords. The infestors are also out of energy, so they're just dead supply right now
mech army takes so long to rebuild they'll have energy before another fight
Honestly how can people not recognize Scarlett as the biggest fucking patch zerg of all time. I play zerg and i feel bad for Marine King because he has to do 20 times as much as her to literally walk out of his natural. During engagements hes microing his heart out while she sits behind infested terrans and just transfuses her brood lords.
On December 13 2012 06:28 nomyx wrote: It's up to the terran player to do pressure or scarlett will do what she did in game 1 and get 12 minute brood lords
I just saw a game between scarlett and demuslim. She maxed out on ling muta bling at 12:00, 2-2 grades. Move out against that and you are 100% dead... How can terrans know when to move out?
Seeing a brood lord infestor army win always makes me sad, not for balance reasons but there's just this feeling of inevitability vs brood lord infestor that makes it boring.
Seeing it lose is still the most satisfying thing ever but seeing it win is just pretty meh.
On December 13 2012 06:39 PhoenixVoid wrote: MKP might want to take a few pointers from Polt's style, late-game transition into Ravens, a few Ghosts and really good Viking spread.
or he could just marauder hellion all in everyone. his unit control should be fine for that
That was disappointing and sad to watch, just the inevitability of the BL/Infestor deathball moving to kill a Terran/Protoss is a little depressing, no matter what they do to delay or defeat it.
I like how Scarlett doesnt just go in for the kill after taking out the 4th the first and second time. I see a lot of players making that mistake and somehow losing the game, at least shes smart enough to rebuild a standing army and go =p!
On December 13 2012 06:38 arvinds94 wrote: Honestly how can people not recognize Scarlett as the biggest fucking patch zerg of all time. I play zerg and i feel bad for Marine King because he has to do 20 times as much as her to literally walk out of his natural. During engagements hes microing his heart out while she sits behind infested terrans and just transfuses her brood lords.
Anyone saw the series between demuslim and scarlett? On daybreak Scarlett had mass infestor bl corruptor. Demuslim had 8-10 ravens, 30+ vikings, medivacs, marines. It wasn't even close
On December 13 2012 06:42 PhoenixVoid wrote: I wish Polt had pulled his way into IS2 through the qualifiers, at least he had a decent chance. Dammit GanZi, why must you ruin the Terran hopes?
I'm surprised polt got missed out on an invite I thought he was a better candidate than say seed.
On December 13 2012 06:39 XiGua wrote: 2 Broodlord rushes.
So fucking boring. Can't say MKP has been playing well either.
Yeah it makes me sick, hopefully the new patch can phase some of this out. I am afraid I won't be shocked if only MMA makes the ro8 for terran at this rate.
On December 13 2012 06:42 PhoenixVoid wrote: I wish Polt had pulled his way into IS2 through the qualifiers, at least he had a decent chance. Dammit GanZi, why must you ruin the Terran hopes?
I'm surprised polt got missed out on an invite I thought he was a better candidate than say seed.
seed pretty much got it because he won the gsl, I assume and i believe it was the most recent GSL in terms of when invites went out. I believe Life won the GSL after invites
On December 13 2012 06:42 PhoenixVoid wrote: I wish Polt had pulled his way into IS2 through the qualifiers, at least he had a decent chance. Dammit GanZi, why must you ruin the Terran hopes?
I'm surprised polt got missed out on an invite I thought he was a better candidate than say seed.
The IS managers surely had Polt in mind for a seed, but I think Polt prefered to get in through qualifiers.
On December 13 2012 06:42 PhoenixVoid wrote: I wish Polt had pulled his way into IS2 through the qualifiers, at least he had a decent chance. Dammit GanZi, why must you ruin the Terran hopes?
I'm surprised polt got missed out on an invite I thought he was a better candidate than say seed.
seed pretty much got it because he won the gsl, I assume
On December 13 2012 06:39 virpi wrote: mkp is the huk of terran.
how does that make sense? he went over 2 bases in both games
yes, that's true. I was referring to his status as top tier player, I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be a few months ago. And he's also kinda limited in his playing style. But yeah...Huk doesn't seem to be the perfect comparison when you take all aspects into consideration, I have to agree.
On December 13 2012 06:39 PhoenixVoid wrote: MKP might want to take a few pointers from Polt's style, late-game transition into Ravens, a few Ghosts and really good Viking spread.
or he could just marauder hellion all in everyone. his unit control should be fine for that
I think the only way you can really play a bio / tank style is doing it the Bomber way, getting a very very late starport and just a lot of marines and tanks, you max out with a stronger army far quicker. The problem with this is 1 fungal and the game is over, it requires perfect control, and 1 mistake can mean the game.
Oh, also IMO mech at this point in time is a gimmick, you need to get far ahead early if you wanna win with it, since queen/infestor/ling counter it so easily with the use of fungals and infested terrans. Queens>Banshees/hellions Ling+fungal>Hellions Infested Terran>Thor/tank
That is early-midgame, its so easy for the zerg to deal with.
On December 13 2012 06:38 arvinds94 wrote: Honestly how can people not recognize Scarlett as the biggest fucking patch zerg of all time. I play zerg and i feel bad for Marine King because he has to do 20 times as much as her to literally walk out of his natural. During engagements hes microing his heart out while she sits behind infested terrans and just transfuses her brood lords.
Because she beat Bumblebee and almost beat Oz pre-patch.
People here are saying MKP played bad, but Scarlett did not play amazing either. They both built up armies, attacked into each other. Don't see how you can conclude from that that Scarlett has more skill (which is known to be wrong by everyone by the way).
On December 13 2012 06:39 virpi wrote: mkp is the huk of terran.
how does that make sense? he went over 2 bases in both games
yes, that's true. I was referring to his status as top tier player, I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be a few months ago. And he's also kinda limited in his playing style. But yeah...Huk doesn't seem to be the perfect comparison when you take all aspects into consideration, I have to agree.
maybe you could say he's starting to MMA. MMA hung around for a while and looked ok but now...
On December 13 2012 06:43 Gesarjack wrote: Wow I had no idea this would be the winner's match. Now I suppose Brown is favorite to get out of the group first, severely unexpected
Well he did knock out Life (and now Taeja) so clearly there is something to his success.
On December 13 2012 06:42 PhoenixVoid wrote: I wish Polt had pulled his way into IS2 through the qualifiers, at least he had a decent chance. Dammit GanZi, why must you ruin the Terran hopes?
I'm surprised polt got missed out on an invite I thought he was a better candidate than say seed.
seed pretty much got it because he won the gsl, I assume
Demuslim won all 3 games by cheese: 2rax, 3 port cloackbanshee and 3 rax
Early aggression is very underrated IMO. A lot of people (especially in the PvZ match-up) just mutually agree to go into a macro game. Doing some quirky cheese / early aggression throws off a lot of players and needs to be seen more at a professional level.
On December 13 2012 06:39 virpi wrote: mkp is the huk of terran.
how does that make sense? he went over 2 bases in both games
yes, that's true. I was referring to his status as top tier player, I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be a few months ago. And he's also kinda limited in his playing style. But yeah...Huk doesn't seem to be the perfect comparison when you take all aspects into consideration, I have to agree.
MKP is like Flash in greed.
Except people never all in Flash for some reason, so he looks much better.
MKP got completely crushed by Scarlett in that series! She won every single major battle. MKP did not go for any drops at all. That makes it a lot easier for the Zerg to deal with a Terran.
On December 13 2012 06:41 Hider wrote: Enjoyed the part where Scarlett clicked F on marine Kings army. THat was just awesome. Well done scarlett. Looking like one of the best foreigners.
Scarlett had to make many choices in those games so don't make fun of her. Witness her total mastery of the keys 1, a, f and t and weep knowing that you'll never be able to command such vastly different armies as infestor/broodlord or broodlord/infestor in such an entertaining way.
Things have been looking pretty grim for the Terrans since September, taking only 2/16 premier tournaments just does not feel that good.
Now we got the patch so maybe some interesting things will happen. But I guess we can end up with Hero, Parting, Life and Leenock taking top4 just as well in the Iron Squid.
On December 13 2012 06:41 Fjodorov wrote: transfuse on broodlords is just silly. Sure, it requires some micro but its way to good.
ive always thought transfuse was the most un-needed spell in the game. a product of early alpha design and the beta days.
but its still around... and in pro games when a zerg transfuses what is he doing, well realistically, you have a 2food unit that is STRONGER than 2marines in anti air with 7range, and fights evenly with 2marines on the ground, and now that 2food durable combat unit also has a 1click spell that heals for almost a full broodlords health and heals at a energy rate of medivacs...... yeah......... the F?
dunno how it still exists yet it does, amazing,
it probably exists because most zergs werent getting heavy numbers of ultras/broods in most games until very late into release and without ultras/broodlords to abuse transfuse with no one saw the imbalance clearly for what it is
On December 13 2012 06:39 virpi wrote: mkp is the huk of terran.
how does that make sense? he went over 2 bases in both games
yes, that's true. I was referring to his status as top tier player, I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be a few months ago. And he's also kinda limited in his playing style. But yeah...Huk doesn't seem to be the perfect comparison when you take all aspects into consideration, I have to agree.
MKP is like Flash in greed.
Except people never all in Flash for some reason, so he looks much better.
Another factor in TvZ I think a lot of people never think about is scouting.
Zerg can scout almost anything if they want to.
Terrans can't scout unless they sacrifice all their hellions, and it might just get blocked completely, scans in early game doesn't work because they could place their tech at the main, natural or 3rd, the corner of the base, front of the natural, etc.
On December 13 2012 06:47 scypio wrote: Things have been looking pretty grim for the Terrans since September, taking only 2/16 premier tournaments just does not feel that good.
Now we got the patch so maybe some interesting things will happen. But I guess we can end up with Hero, Parting, Life and Leenock taking top4 just as well in the Iron Squid.
On December 13 2012 06:39 virpi wrote: mkp is the huk of terran.
how does that make sense? he went over 2 bases in both games
yes, that's true. I was referring to his status as top tier player, I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be a few months ago. And he's also kinda limited in his playing style. But yeah...Huk doesn't seem to be the perfect comparison when you take all aspects into consideration, I have to agree.
MKP is like Flash in greed.
Except people never all in Flash for some reason, so he looks much better.
...he was much better?
Flash lost all the time to all-ins. 14 cc? (well, not all-the time)
On December 13 2012 06:48 kaokentake wrote: ive always thought transfuse was the most un-needed spell in the game. a product of early alpha design and the beta days.
but its still around... and in pro games when a zerg transfuses what is he doing, well realistically, you have a 2food unit that is STRONGER than 2marines in anti air with 7range, and fights evenly with 2marines on the ground, and now that 2food durable combat unit also has a 1click spell that heals for almost a full broodlords health and heals at a energy rate of medivacs...... yeah......... the F?
dunno how it still exists yet it does, amazing,
it probably exists because most zergs werent getting heavy numbers of ultras/broods in most games until very late into release and without ultras/broodlords to abuse transfuse with no one saw the imbalance clearly for what it is
I never liked it either. It would be okay IMO in terms of design if the queen wasn't a massed unit. You always want more queens though, because more / faster creep spread, defense against ground and air attacks, larvae production, and transfusions to help your T3 late game.
On December 13 2012 06:45 Maluk wrote: People here are saying MKP played bad, but Scarlett did not play amazing either. They both built up armies, attacked into each other. Don't see how you can conclude from that that Scarlett has more skill (which is known to be wrong by everyone by the way).
I totally agree with you here.
If the two players play passively, and not taking over-greedy expansions or hidden bases, it's an auto-win for the zerg player, this is a big issue in the machup a the moment.
Terran as to do something (harass, very greedy expansion, very greedy build or all-in) in order to win, zerg does not.
Talking about transfuses, I saw a game of goswser few days ago, he had 3 ultras and 5 or 6 queens and he killed a 100 pop terran army with only this, and using transfuse well, the ultras just didn't lost any hp.
On December 13 2012 06:48 Hiea wrote: Another factor in TvZ I think a lot of people never think about is scouting.
Zerg can scout almost anything if they want to.
Terrans can't scout unless they sacrifice all their hellions, and it might just get blocked completely, scans in early game doesn't work because they could place their tech at the main, natural or 3rd, the corner of the base, front of the natural, etc.
Although it's true that Zerg CAN scout whatever they want now, it's ironic because they actually never bother to scout anymore in ZvT. I think Leenock is the only one that occasionally sacs an overlord for info. People like life, sniper, your precious stephano, they just make a couple of queens and do whatever the fuck they want cos they know they can't get punished. Great dynamic in this matchup.
On December 13 2012 06:48 Hiea wrote: Another factor in TvZ I think a lot of people never think about is scouting.
Zerg can scout almost anything if they want to.
Terrans can't scout unless they sacrifice all their hellions, and it might just get blocked completely, scans in early game doesn't work because they could place their tech at the main, natural or 3rd, the corner of the base, front of the natural, etc.
Terrans have scan which is completely unblockable and reveals hidden units. Zergs have it hardest to scout the opponents bases, you have to actually sneak a unit in there.
On December 13 2012 06:47 McBengt wrote: Wtf Scarlett was up 1-0 and then they took it away!
was just the time needed to set up the overlay, not a spoiler
I think there is a conspiracy afoot, I suspect this stream is being played with a 43 minute 58 second delay, and has now phased out of the space time continuum. I believe Scarlett has already won, but the Illuminati has instigated a massive cover-up to keep the secret of extra-dimensional travel to themselves.
On December 13 2012 06:39 virpi wrote: mkp is the huk of terran.
how does that make sense? he went over 2 bases in both games
yes, that's true. I was referring to his status as top tier player, I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be a few months ago. And he's also kinda limited in his playing style. But yeah...Huk doesn't seem to be the perfect comparison when you take all aspects into consideration, I have to agree.
MKP is like Flash in greed.
Except people never all in Flash for some reason, so he looks much better.
...he was much better?
Flash lost all the time to all-ins. 14 cc? (well, not all-the time)
On December 13 2012 06:41 Hider wrote: Enjoyed the part where Scarlett clicked F on marine Kings army. THat was just awesome. Well done scarlett. Looking like one of the best foreigners.
Scarlett had to make many choices in those games so don't make fun of her. Witness her total mastery of the keys 1, a, f and t and weep knowing that you'll never be able to command such vastly different armies as infestor/broodlord or broodlord/infestor in such an entertaining way.
According to Stephano, Scarlett has the best mechanics of any foreigner. So no, you probably won't be able to command such armies as well as her.
On December 13 2012 06:39 virpi wrote: mkp is the huk of terran.
how does that make sense? he went over 2 bases in both games
yes, that's true. I was referring to his status as top tier player, I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be a few months ago. And he's also kinda limited in his playing style. But yeah...Huk doesn't seem to be the perfect comparison when you take all aspects into consideration, I have to agree.
MKP is like Flash in greed.
Except people never all in Flash for some reason, so he looks much better.
...he was much better?
Flash lost all the time to all-ins. 14 cc? (well, not all-the time)
Almost every game I've seen of Flash its been 14cc, and not one has tried to hard counter it, I may of missed a game here or there.
On December 13 2012 06:43 Gesarjack wrote: Wow I had no idea this would be the winner's match. Now I suppose Brown is favorite to get out of the group first, severely unexpected
Well he did knock out Life (and now Taeja) so clearly there is something to his success.
I expected that he would beat Life, his PvZ is really really good, I just never thought he could beat a terran ever.
On December 13 2012 06:48 Hiea wrote: Another factor in TvZ I think a lot of people never think about is scouting.
Zerg can scout almost anything if they want to.
Terrans can't scout unless they sacrifice all their hellions, and it might just get blocked completely, scans in early game doesn't work because they could place their tech at the main, natural or 3rd, the corner of the base, front of the natural, etc.
Terrans have scan which is completely unblockable and reveals hidden units. Zergs have it hardest to scout the opponents bases, you have to actually sneak a unit in there.
Oh, come on. When is it a bad idea to make infestors?
On December 13 2012 06:41 Hider wrote: Enjoyed the part where Scarlett clicked F on marine Kings army. THat was just awesome. Well done scarlett. Looking like one of the best foreigners.
Scarlett had to make many choices in those games so don't make fun of her. Witness her total mastery of the keys 1, a, f and t and weep knowing that you'll never be able to command such vastly different armies as infestor/broodlord or broodlord/infestor in such an entertaining way.
According to Stephano, Scarlett has the best mechanics of any foreigner. So no, you probably won't be able to command such armies as well as her.
Idra, Huk, Naniwa, Nerchio, Kas, Demuslim all have better mechanics imo. I think she's a good player, but mechanics wise she's nothing special.
On December 13 2012 06:39 virpi wrote: mkp is the huk of terran.
how does that make sense? he went over 2 bases in both games
yes, that's true. I was referring to his status as top tier player, I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be a few months ago. And he's also kinda limited in his playing style. But yeah...Huk doesn't seem to be the perfect comparison when you take all aspects into consideration, I have to agree.
MKP is like Flash in greed.
Except people never all in Flash for some reason, so he looks much better.
...he was much better?
Flash lost all the time to all-ins. 14 cc? (well, not all-the time)
Almost every game I've seen of Flash its been 14cc, and not one has tried to hard counter it, I may of missed a game here or there.
Appart from Naniwa 4 gating and proxy immortal busting him you mean...
On December 13 2012 06:41 Hider wrote: Enjoyed the part where Scarlett clicked F on marine Kings army. THat was just awesome. Well done scarlett. Looking like one of the best foreigners.
Scarlett had to make many choices in those games so don't make fun of her. Witness her total mastery of the keys 1, a, f and t and weep knowing that you'll never be able to command such vastly different armies as infestor/broodlord or broodlord/infestor in such an entertaining way.
According to Stephano, Scarlett has the best mechanics of any foreigner. So no, you probably won't be able to command such armies as well as her.
Idra, Huk, Naniwa, Nerchio, Kas, Demuslim all have better mechanics imo. I think she's a good player, but mechanics wise she's nothing special.
Well Stephano disagrees with you, i don't know why but i have more faith in his judgment.
On December 13 2012 06:43 Gesarjack wrote: Wow I had no idea this would be the winner's match. Now I suppose Brown is favorite to get out of the group first, severely unexpected
Well he did knock out Life (and now Taeja) so clearly there is something to his success.
I expected that he would beat Life, his PvZ is really really good, I just never thought he could beat a terran ever.
Again, seriously stop counting that series lol, Life had to throw it due to Korean law
On December 13 2012 06:48 Hiea wrote: Another factor in TvZ I think a lot of people never think about is scouting.
Zerg can scout almost anything if they want to.
Terrans can't scout unless they sacrifice all their hellions, and it might just get blocked completely, scans in early game doesn't work because they could place their tech at the main, natural or 3rd, the corner of the base, front of the natural, etc.
Terrans have scan which is completely unblockable and reveals hidden units. Zergs have it hardest to scout the opponents bases, you have to actually sneak a unit in there.
1) A scan = a lost mule = a loss of 270 minerals. 2) Imagine I scan the main. BOOM: all tech is in the natural. Okay, let's scan the natural then. BOOM, the zerg is droning and nothing is coming soon. I lost a total of 540 minerals = a full OC.
On December 13 2012 06:43 Gesarjack wrote: Wow I had no idea this would be the winner's match. Now I suppose Brown is favorite to get out of the group first, severely unexpected
Well he did knock out Life (and now Taeja) so clearly there is something to his success.
I expected that he would beat Life, his PvZ is really really good, I just never thought he could beat a terran ever.
Again, seriously stop counting that series lol, Life had to throw it due to Korean law
I already posted the source that confirms this in the thread as well
On December 13 2012 06:41 Hider wrote: Enjoyed the part where Scarlett clicked F on marine Kings army. THat was just awesome. Well done scarlett. Looking like one of the best foreigners.
Scarlett had to make many choices in those games so don't make fun of her. Witness her total mastery of the keys 1, a, f and t and weep knowing that you'll never be able to command such vastly different armies as infestor/broodlord or broodlord/infestor in such an entertaining way.
According to Stephano, Scarlett has the best mechanics of any foreigner. So no, you probably won't be able to command such armies as well as her.
Idra, Huk, Naniwa, Nerchio, Kas, Demuslim all have better mechanics imo. I think she's a good player, but mechanics wise she's nothing special.
Idra, Nani and Demu yes, I'd say so. Unsure about the others. I would say Scarlett's late game army control is better than Huk's for sure.
On December 13 2012 06:45 Maluk wrote: People here are saying MKP played bad, but Scarlett did not play amazing either. They both built up armies, attacked into each other. Don't see how you can conclude from that that Scarlett has more skill (which is known to be wrong by everyone by the way).
I think you make two valid points here and then cock it up with a false statement. Plenty of people have lauded Scarlett's skill. The people she's beat in the last few months, ESPECIALLY the zergs should be testiment enough. That, and there's a Stephano interview where he states Scarlett has possibly the best mechanics of any foreign zerg.
It's not really fair to say either player has more skill right now but it's definitely wrong to say that EVERYONE knows that Scarlett isn't as skilled as MKP. We need to see more, but so far I for one still like her odds.
On December 13 2012 06:48 Hiea wrote: Another factor in TvZ I think a lot of people never think about is scouting.
Zerg can scout almost anything if they want to.
Terrans can't scout unless they sacrifice all their hellions, and it might just get blocked completely, scans in early game doesn't work because they could place their tech at the main, natural or 3rd, the corner of the base, front of the natural, etc.
Terrans have scan which is completely unblockable and reveals hidden units. Zergs have it hardest to scout the opponents bases, you have to actually sneak a unit in there.
Oh, come on. When is it a bad idea to make infestors?
Your balance whining is tiresome. Also against TL rules.
On December 13 2012 06:41 Hider wrote: Enjoyed the part where Scarlett clicked F on marine Kings army. THat was just awesome. Well done scarlett. Looking like one of the best foreigners.
Scarlett had to make many choices in those games so don't make fun of her. Witness her total mastery of the keys 1, a, f and t and weep knowing that you'll never be able to command such vastly different armies as infestor/broodlord or broodlord/infestor in such an entertaining way.
According to Stephano, Scarlett has the best mechanics of any foreigner. So no, you probably won't be able to command such armies as well as her.
Idra, Huk, Naniwa, Nerchio, Kas, Demuslim all have better mechanics imo. I think she's a good player, but mechanics wise she's nothing special.
pretty sure soon after Scarlett joined Acer, Nerchio commented that he thought her mechanics were much better than his.
On December 13 2012 06:43 Gesarjack wrote: Wow I had no idea this would be the winner's match. Now I suppose Brown is favorite to get out of the group first, severely unexpected
Well he did knock out Life (and now Taeja) so clearly there is something to his success.
I expected that he would beat Life, his PvZ is really really good, I just never thought he could beat a terran ever.
Again, seriously stop counting that series lol, Life had to throw it due to Korean law
How about counting that he has 100% winrate against zerg in GSL televised games and something around 75% total then?
On December 13 2012 06:43 Gesarjack wrote: Wow I had no idea this would be the winner's match. Now I suppose Brown is favorite to get out of the group first, severely unexpected
Well he did knock out Life (and now Taeja) so clearly there is something to his success.
I expected that he would beat Life, his PvZ is really really good, I just never thought he could beat a terran ever.
Again, seriously stop counting that series lol, Life had to throw it due to Korean law
How about counting that he has 100% winrate against zerg in GSL televised games and something around 75% total then?
On December 13 2012 06:39 virpi wrote: mkp is the huk of terran.
how does that make sense? he went over 2 bases in both games
yes, that's true. I was referring to his status as top tier player, I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be a few months ago. And he's also kinda limited in his playing style. But yeah...Huk doesn't seem to be the perfect comparison when you take all aspects into consideration, I have to agree.
MKP is like Flash in greed.
Except people never all in Flash for some reason, so he looks much better.
...he was much better?
Flash lost all the time to all-ins. 14 cc? (well, not all-the time)
Almost every game I've seen of Flash its been 14cc, and not one has tried to hard counter it, I may of missed a game here or there.
Then you weren't watching close enough because several players did lmao.
On December 13 2012 06:41 Hider wrote: Enjoyed the part where Scarlett clicked F on marine Kings army. THat was just awesome. Well done scarlett. Looking like one of the best foreigners.
Scarlett had to make many choices in those games so don't make fun of her. Witness her total mastery of the keys 1, a, f and t and weep knowing that you'll never be able to command such vastly different armies as infestor/broodlord or broodlord/infestor in such an entertaining way.
According to Stephano, Scarlett has the best mechanics of any foreigner. So no, you probably won't be able to command such armies as well as her.
Idra, Huk, Naniwa, Nerchio, Kas, Demuslim all have better mechanics imo. I think she's a good player, but mechanics wise she's nothing special.
In particular, her multitasking is pretty abysmal. I wouldn't take any names Stephano named in that "Grilled" interview seriously, since I think he mostly just threw out random people for answers when they weren't himself (which like half of them were lol)
On December 13 2012 06:43 Gesarjack wrote: Wow I had no idea this would be the winner's match. Now I suppose Brown is favorite to get out of the group first, severely unexpected
Well he did knock out Life (and now Taeja) so clearly there is something to his success.
I expected that he would beat Life, his PvZ is really really good, I just never thought he could beat a terran ever.
Again, seriously stop counting that series lol, Life had to throw it due to Korean law
How about counting that he has 100% winrate against zerg in GSL televised games and something around 75% total then?
Misleading if you look at how many and who he played
On December 13 2012 06:48 Hiea wrote: Another factor in TvZ I think a lot of people never think about is scouting.
Zerg can scout almost anything if they want to.
Terrans can't scout unless they sacrifice all their hellions, and it might just get blocked completely, scans in early game doesn't work because they could place their tech at the main, natural or 3rd, the corner of the base, front of the natural, etc.
Terrans have scan which is completely unblockable and reveals hidden units. Zergs have it hardest to scout the opponents bases, you have to actually sneak a unit in there.
1) A scan = a lost mule = a loss of 270 minerals. 2) Imagine I scan the main. BOOM: all tech is in the natural. Okay, let's scan the natural then. BOOM, the zerg is droning and nothing is coming soon. I lost a total of 540 minerals = a full OC.
I am not saying a scan is free. Of course it is not. However it is unblockable and so is ALWAYS an option. If Terrans have marines, turrets around their bases and maintain a wall then Zergs cannot scout a Terran base at all. Terrans can scan and this cannot be prevented. It is a bit silly to say that Terrans cannot scout when they have scans.
On December 13 2012 06:43 Gesarjack wrote: Wow I had no idea this would be the winner's match. Now I suppose Brown is favorite to get out of the group first, severely unexpected
Well he did knock out Life (and now Taeja) so clearly there is something to his success.
I expected that he would beat Life, his PvZ is really really good, I just never thought he could beat a terran ever.
Again, seriously stop counting that series lol, Life had to throw it due to Korean law
How about counting that he has 100% winrate against zerg in GSL televised games and something around 75% total then?
better
To be fair he seems to become less and less dominant in the m-u, and he goes for lots of 2-base all-ins which isn't what he started with (and got my love for) :/
On December 13 2012 06:48 Hiea wrote: Another factor in TvZ I think a lot of people never think about is scouting.
Zerg can scout almost anything if they want to.
Terrans can't scout unless they sacrifice all their hellions, and it might just get blocked completely, scans in early game doesn't work because they could place their tech at the main, natural or 3rd, the corner of the base, front of the natural, etc.
Terrans have scan which is completely unblockable and reveals hidden units. Zergs have it hardest to scout the opponents bases, you have to actually sneak a unit in there.
1) A scan = a lost mule = a loss of 270 minerals. 2) Imagine I scan the main. BOOM: all tech is in the natural. Okay, let's scan the natural then. BOOM, the zerg is droning and nothing is coming soon. I lost a total of 540 minerals = a full OC.
I am not saying a scan is free. Of course it is not. However it is unblockable and so is ALWAYS an option. If Terrans have marines, turrets around their bases and maintain a wall then Zergs cannot scout a Terran base at all. Terrans can scan and this cannot be prevented.
I'm only talking about early-mid game, once you get to the 15 minute mark, I think the terran should scan, if a hive has completed, scan further till you find something.
But earlier if lets say you wanna scout for x zerg all in like a roach baneling, you can scan the natural, but then if it's at the main you lost resources, however zerg with the nitro speed overlords can see pretty much everything the terran has, combined with overlords chillin' on cliffs (CK natural). Every now and again the zerg might get extremely unlucky, but generally his gonna scout you, since you also don't want your stuff at the very edge of your base as terran, as its easily sniped if the zerg goes mutalisk, or just annoying to defend.
I'm glad so many of you aren't impressed by Scarlett's skill.
However, the following people have stated that they are impressed by her skill: Stephano - stated that she has the best mechanics of all foreigners Nerchio - has stated that her mechanics are better than his Suppy - watches her stream to improve his game and has wondered how she can be so good in her stream chat DRG - stated that you can't win against her if you have the same build she's that good Leenock - said the same thing as DRG Bomber - said that she was very good
I think i'll trust their opinions over those of the random posts on this thread, but that's just me.
On December 13 2012 07:07 Prof wrote: I'm glad so many of you aren't impressed by Scarlett's skill.
However, the following people have stated that they are impressed by her skill: Stephano - stated that she has the best mechanics of all foreigners Nerchio - has stated that her mechanics are better than his Suppy - watches her stream to improve his game and has wondered how she can be so good in her stream chat DRG - stated that you can't win against her if you have the same build she's that good Leenock - said the same thing as DRG Bomber - said that she was very good
I think i'll trust their opinions over those of the random posts on this thread, but that's just me.
I wouldn't worry too much about people being slow to give Scarlett credit. The doubters were badmouthing Stephano's abilities for ages too.
On December 13 2012 07:07 Prof wrote: I'm glad so many of you aren't impressed by Scarlett's skill.
However, the following people have stated that they are impressed by her skill: Stephano - stated that she has the best mechanics of all foreigners Nerchio - has stated that her mechanics are better than his Suppy - watches her stream to improve his game and has wondered how she can be so good in her stream chat DRG - stated that you can't win against her if you have the same build she's that good Leenock - said the same thing as DRG Bomber - said that she was very good
I think i'll trust their opinions over those of the random posts on this thread, but that's just me.
I wouldn't worry too much about people being slow to give Scarlett credit. The doubters were badmouthing Stephano's abilities for ages too.
I'm kind of baffled at the Scarlett hate. She wins in mirrors and with insane mechanics. I mean her mechanics are so visually obvious too, creep across the entire map, she even creeps random corners just so you can't drop her ever... Some players being underrated I can understand but Scarlett wins because she is VERY fast and very consistent. Also a smart player, not as much as Stephano (in her own words) but she has a good sense for when to attack and when she can get away with a lot of teching.
On December 13 2012 07:07 Prof wrote: I'm glad so many of you aren't impressed by Scarlett's skill.
However, the following people have stated that they are impressed by her skill: Stephano - stated that she has the best mechanics of all foreigners Nerchio - has stated that her mechanics are better than his Suppy - watches her stream to improve his game and has wondered how she can be so good in her stream chat DRG - stated that you can't win against her if you have the same build she's that good Leenock - said the same thing as DRG Bomber - said that she was very good
I think i'll trust their opinions over those of the random posts on this thread, but that's just me.
I wouldn't worry too much about people being slow to give Scarlett credit. The doubters were badmouthing Stephano's abilities for ages too.
Yup. Not everyone has a good eye for scouting talent in fact very few do so complain all you want. It does nothing.
On December 13 2012 07:07 Prof wrote: I'm glad so many of you aren't impressed by Scarlett's skill.
However, the following people have stated that they are impressed by her skill: Stephano - stated that she has the best mechanics of all foreigners Nerchio - has stated that her mechanics are better than his Suppy - watches her stream to improve his game and has wondered how she can be so good in her stream chat DRG - stated that you can't win against her if you have the same build she's that good Leenock - said the same thing as DRG Bomber - said that she was very good
I think i'll trust their opinions over those of the random posts on this thread, but that's just me.
I wouldn't worry too much about people being slow to give Scarlett credit. The doubters were badmouthing Stephano's abilities for ages too.
Cut the crap, her multitasking is really, really bad compared to other zergs pro's.
On December 13 2012 07:07 Prof wrote: I'm glad so many of you aren't impressed by Scarlett's skill.
However, the following people have stated that they are impressed by her skill: Stephano - stated that she has the best mechanics of all foreigners Nerchio - has stated that her mechanics are better than his Suppy - watches her stream to improve his game and has wondered how she can be so good in her stream chat DRG - stated that you can't win against her if you have the same build she's that good Leenock - said the same thing as DRG Bomber - said that she was very good
I think i'll trust their opinions over those of the random posts on this thread, but that's just me.
I wouldn't worry too much about people being slow to give Scarlett credit. The doubters were badmouthing Stephano's abilities for ages too.
Both have equal amounts of blind followers and blind haters, so it all balances out. Should just let it be.
I'm following the reddit conversation I think she was just joking about Brown now being zerg, just an acer joke. I think she was serious about Brown being on Acer now though.
On December 13 2012 06:38 arvinds94 wrote: Honestly how can people not recognize Scarlett as the biggest fucking patch zerg of all time. I play zerg and i feel bad for Marine King because he has to do 20 times as much as her to literally walk out of his natural. During engagements hes microing his heart out while she sits behind infested terrans and just transfuses her brood lords.
Because she beat Bumblebee and almost beat Oz pre-patch.
before she beats a korean terran with muta ling bane she will remain a patchzerg.
I'm following the reddit conversation I think she was just joking about Brown now being zerg, just an acer joke. I think she was serious about Brown being on Acer now though.
Brown has been on SKT for a few weeks (There was even a thread on front-page reddit about how he joined the team) O_O
I'm following the reddit conversation I think she was just joking about Brown now being zerg, just an acer joke. I think she was serious about Brown being on Acer now though.
Brown has been on SKT for a few weeks (There was even a thread on front-page reddit about how he joined the team) O_O
yeah that's what I thought. Fantasy thanked him in his Code A interview as a practice partner
I'm following the reddit conversation I think she was just joking about Brown now being zerg, just an acer joke. I think she was serious about Brown being on Acer now though.
Brown has been on SKT for a few weeks (There was even a thread on front-page reddit about how he joined the team) O_O
I'm following the reddit conversation I think she was just joking about Brown now being zerg, just an acer joke. I think she was serious about Brown being on Acer now though.
IronSquid account (presumably Acer's manager Kaoru) said it was a false rumour in this thread. He should know best. And Scarlett edited in the Zerg joke, first it just said "no".
@ Seeker: There was still a chance they could've signed him if he's just a practice partner, no?
I'm following the reddit conversation I think she was just joking about Brown now being zerg, just an acer joke. I think she was serious about Brown being on Acer now though.
Brown has been on SKT for a few weeks (There was even a thread on front-page reddit about how he joined the team) O_O
yeah that's what I thought. Fantasy thanked him in his Code A interview as a practice partner
On December 13 2012 06:38 arvinds94 wrote: Honestly how can people not recognize Scarlett as the biggest fucking patch zerg of all time. I play zerg and i feel bad for Marine King because he has to do 20 times as much as her to literally walk out of his natural. During engagements hes microing his heart out while she sits behind infested terrans and just transfuses her brood lords.
Because she beat Bumblebee and almost beat Oz pre-patch.
before she beats a korean terran with muta ling bane she will remain a patchzerg.
I'm not a big fan of scarlett myself (I'm Protoss, hate zergs :D) but you have to give credit where credit is due. She's already won what, $30,000 just this year? That is damn good for an up and coming player. She's only started playing SC2 back in april 2011, she's a beast no doubt. Even beat top tier koreans...
I'm following the reddit conversation I think she was just joking about Brown now being zerg, just an acer joke. I think she was serious about Brown being on Acer now though.
Brown has been on SKT for a few weeks (There was even a thread on front-page reddit about how he joined the team) O_O
K well first of all your awesome and thanks for signing our posters at IPL5 <3. But secondly don't toy with my fanboying heart with your crazy trolling skill! Can't handle teh trollage arg--
Forgot about the Brown being on SKT though. Damn reddit posts...
Scarlett might sem impressing with her creep spread and macro, but her multitasking is REALLY lacking. Being attacked on multiple fronts really screws her up. Also i am curious how she would play muta-ling-bling.
In the show match vs Demuslim she clearly showed an inability to multitask as he killed an inordinate number of hatches and drones with small squads and drops.
However, the 1 hotkey army was effective at crushing a 180 degree spread of viking raven tank medivac marine.
On December 13 2012 07:07 Prof wrote: I'm glad so many of you aren't impressed by Scarlett's skill.
However, the following people have stated that they are impressed by her skill: Stephano - stated that she has the best mechanics of all foreigners Nerchio - has stated that her mechanics are better than his Suppy - watches her stream to improve his game and has wondered how she can be so good in her stream chat DRG - stated that you can't win against her if you have the same build she's that good Leenock - said the same thing as DRG Bomber - said that she was very good
I think i'll trust their opinions over those of the random posts on this thread, but that's just me.
I wouldn't worry too much about people being slow to give Scarlett credit. The doubters were badmouthing Stephano's abilities for ages too.
I'm kind of baffled at the Scarlett hate. She wins in mirrors and with insane mechanics. I mean her mechanics are so visually obvious too, creep across the entire map, she even creeps random corners just so you can't drop her ever... Some players being underrated I can understand but Scarlett wins because she is VERY fast and very consistent. Also a smart player, not as much as Stephano (in her own words) but she has a good sense for when to attack and when she can get away with a lot of teching.
I think the issue is she is new to the scene. A lot of people already have their favourites and so she can only achieve something by beating established favourites. I have been very impressed with her over the last few months. She has still only been a pro-gamer for a few months now, so she should still improve quite a bit. Once she gains more experience she should get better at LANs too, and she is already good at them.
On December 13 2012 07:20 mythandier wrote: In the show match vs Demuslim she clearly showed an inability to multitask as he killed an inordinate number of hatches and drones with small squads and drops.
However, the 1 hotkey army was effective at crushing a 180 degree spread of viking raven tank medivac marine.
Well the truth is at the moment is that any zerg will be discredited somewhat, and for good reason, but it goes way overboard all the time, the only 2 you can say shouldn't be would be DRG and Mini-DRG, because what does a DRG do? muta/ling/bane :D
On December 13 2012 07:23 Hiea wrote: Well the truth is at the moment is that any zerg will be discredited somewhat, and for good reason, but it goes way overboard all the time, the only 2 you can say shouldn't be would be DRG and Mini-DRG, because what does a DRG do? muta/ling/bane :D
You make a great point. Also, IMO Leenocks ling/bling/muta is way better than DRG's right now.
On December 13 2012 07:20 mythandier wrote: In the show match vs Demuslim she clearly showed an inability to multitask as he killed an inordinate number of hatches and drones with small squads and drops.
However, the 1 hotkey army was effective at crushing a 180 degree spread of viking raven tank medivac marine.
That's one game and it was incredibly painful to watch Demu kill over a dozen hatcheries. It's merely one example and it's from a show match. What is reoccurring is the fact Scarlett likes to wait and plays very, very defensive. My patience would have wore very thin if I were Demu that game and you know what? It's a good psychological advantage to have and it was only the first game too.
On December 13 2012 07:23 Hiea wrote: Well the truth is at the moment is that any zerg will be discredited somewhat, and for good reason, but it goes way overboard all the time, the only 2 you can say shouldn't be would be DRG and Mini-DRG, because what does a DRG do? muta/ling/bane :D
You make a great point. Also, IMO Leenocks ling/bling/muta is way better than DRG's right now.
Leenock is the scariest zerg to play against atm in my mind anyway.
On December 13 2012 07:23 Hiea wrote: Well the truth is at the moment is that any zerg will be discredited somewhat, and for good reason, but it goes way overboard all the time, the only 2 you can say shouldn't be would be DRG and Mini-DRG, because what does a DRG do? muta/ling/bane :D
You make a great point. Also, IMO Leenocks ling/bling/muta is way better than DRG's right now.
Leenock is the scariest zerg to play against atm in my mind anyway.
I would say he's the favorite in the GSL Tour Grand Finals but he'll probably choke and Sniper will double up
On December 13 2012 07:23 Hiea wrote: Well the truth is at the moment is that any zerg will be discredited somewhat, and for good reason, but it goes way overboard all the time, the only 2 you can say shouldn't be would be DRG and Mini-DRG, because what does a DRG do? muta/ling/bane :D
You make a great point. Also, IMO Leenocks ling/bling/muta is way better than DRG's right now.
Leenock is the scariest zerg to play against atm in my mind anyway.
I would say he's the favorite in the GSL Tour Grand Finals but he'll probably choke and Sniper will double up
Well played by Scarlett's to win that Group fairly comfortably. She also beat Stephano and ForGG yesterday so it has been a good week for her. Would have liked to see her at HomeStoryCup, which seems to be lacking North American presence.
On December 13 2012 07:29 Talionis wrote: I've seen a lot of 7gate all ins recently against zerg, but i really don't know why...
Feels like i haven't seen it work in ages.
The earlier versions of 7 gates are way better, like gate before 2nd pylon to get super fast warp gate, with only 2 gazes is super strong if you manage to plant pylons right at the edge of creep. Scarlett too stronk though, gg I'm loving the Day9 Kaelaris casting duo !
On December 13 2012 07:28 justinpal wrote: That was the worst 7 gate I have ever seen. Why Brown why?!
To be fair, it's a bad idea to do a gateway all in against any player that played a lot on the NA server this summer.
I'm envisioning HuK in a Sean Connery accent saying "You're too late Brown, I've already prepared her for you!" And then Scarlett yelling "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE" as she demolishes the 7 gate and quickening begins.
On December 13 2012 07:07 Prof wrote: I'm glad so many of you aren't impressed by Scarlett's skill.
However, the following people have stated that they are impressed by her skill: Stephano - stated that she has the best mechanics of all foreigners Nerchio - has stated that her mechanics are better than his Suppy - watches her stream to improve his game and has wondered how she can be so good in her stream chat DRG - stated that you can't win against her if you have the same build she's that good Leenock - said the same thing as DRG Bomber - said that she was very good
I think i'll trust their opinions over those of the random posts on this thread, but that's just me.
I wouldn't worry too much about people being slow to give Scarlett credit. The doubters were badmouthing Stephano's abilities for ages too.
I'm kind of baffled at the Scarlett hate. She wins in mirrors and with insane mechanics. I mean her mechanics are so visually obvious too, creep across the entire map, she even creeps random corners just so you can't drop her ever... Some players being underrated I can understand but Scarlett wins because she is VERY fast and very consistent. Also a smart player, not as much as Stephano (in her own words) but she has a good sense for when to attack and when she can get away with a lot of teching.
To be honest i think that Scarlett just hit a very bad time to go boss mode... At this point in time i don't really think that any Zerg is going to be praised for anything, because Zerg dominating everything so hard. I have no doubt that patchzergs is a real thing, and this means that every Zerg to make an emerge after patch 1.4.3 is going to be considered a patchzerg, even if they are just good at the game regardless of the patch. If i remember correctly, a lot of Terran players were considered to be carried by their race during the first months after release, and i think this is pretty much the same.
On December 13 2012 07:35 Left hand wrote: Heh. Kind of like that Scarlett - MKP game one. They just... don't even seem to try. I don't get it, how often do you beat zerg by just sitting back?
As much as Zerg beats players by just sitting back
On December 13 2012 07:50 Shellshock1122 wrote: Marineking more aggressive in TvT than TvZ
A lot of possible aggressive timings were closed by Zerg players getting better and better. Terrans have to be a lot more cautious with choosing when and how to attack.
On December 13 2012 07:35 Left hand wrote: Heh. Kind of like that Scarlett - MKP game one. They just... don't even seem to try. I don't get it, how often do you beat zerg by just sitting back?
As much as Zerg beats players by just sitting back
If you wanted to balance whine there you kinda failed, just saying.
On December 13 2012 07:50 Shellshock1122 wrote: Marineking more aggressive in TvT than TvZ
A lot of possible aggressive timings were closed by Zerg players getting better and better. Terrans have to be a lot more cautious with choosing when and how to attack.
Its less of zerg players getting better and better and more of Zergs getting better like the Queen buff stopped a lot of aggression
Scarlett` France. December 13 2012 07:17. Posts 517
proof that Scarlett is now EU
Shellshock1122 Mad. December 13 2012 07:25. Posts 26938
proof that Mike is now Mad
well yeah considering my name is Mad Mike but you can look back on the page she posted and she has her country set to France
I never knew your name was Mike.
Now I do.
Hi Mike.
EDIT: If this is another case of false rumors, then I'm sorry, not-Mike.
Also, WTH Brown.
Shellshock is secretly Husky, now that explains his WPM in live reports.
I've got you tagged as "That LR dude" on reddit. I don't know when I did that.
Tssk, I don't tag people, for me they're purely separated by green or red numbers next to their names. :D
Gonna go ahead and assume that mine is positive. Excellent.
On December 13 2012 07:40 StarVe wrote:
On December 13 2012 07:39 KristofferAG wrote:
On December 13 2012 07:38 TheBB wrote:
On December 13 2012 07:36 KristofferAG wrote:
On December 13 2012 07:35 StarVe wrote:
On December 13 2012 07:32 KristofferAG wrote:
On December 13 2012 07:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 13 2012 07:27 HaXXspetten wrote: [quote]
[quote] proof that Mike is now Mad
well yeah considering my name is Mad Mike but you can look back on the page she posted and she has her country set to France
I never knew your name was Mike.
Now I do.
Hi Mike.
EDIT: If this is another case of false rumors, then I'm sorry, not-Mike.
Also, WTH Brown.
Shellshock is secretly Husky, now that explains his WPM in live reports.
I've got you tagged as "That LR dude" on reddit. I don't know when I did that.
I've been craving some kind of RES for TL. I keep missing people in threads because the posts are so anonymous.
I always tag people. It's fun to come across them later with a tag I have no idea what means.
So I shall tag you as "That guy with common sense".
That works out just fine for me. I do have a lot of that.
Well, you're no Dodgin, but now it is. You post too much in mainstream subs, I've rarely ever seen a post of yours.
I'm never gonna claim to be a Dodgin.
I don't post much in general. I only post when I have something to say and even then only on newer submissions. I mostly stay away from the comments on /r/sc unless I need to check for confirmation or more information or something
On December 13 2012 07:52 Talionis wrote: Taeja forgot you have to build stuff?
Did you watch the game ? lol
Nah, but i know that he sometimes floats like 1k minerals early on in the game for whatever reason, but when i looked he had double that in his bank plus a lot of gas.
Very gambly play by MarineKing again.. He basicly said, alright if these two banshees and these 4 hellions don't do significantly more than average/expected damage, I'll just die because I double expanded while teching..
On December 13 2012 08:16 kyllinghest wrote: I just came in, anyone care to tell me how on earth Scarlett could even touch MKP? Did he screw up or did she actually outplay him?
MKP playing passive and letting Scarlett overrun the map with creep and then steamrolls him once BLs hit.
Also didn't help that MKP got caught out of position many times.
On December 13 2012 08:17 ELA wrote: Very gambly play by MarineKing again.. He basicly said, alright if these two banshees and these 4 hellions don't do significantly more than average/expected damage, I'll just die because I double expanded while teching..
On December 13 2012 08:16 kyllinghest wrote: I just came in, anyone care to tell me how on earth Scarlett could even touch MKP? Did he screw up or did she actually outplay him?
MKP playing passive and letting Scarlett overrun the map with creep and then steamrolls him once BLs hit.
Also didn't help that MKP got caught out of position many times.
Okay, thanks. Creep is such a great resource, Scarlett is ahead of the curve on that one for sure! I dread the day when GSL Zergs actually work hard to spread their creep!
On December 13 2012 08:17 ELA wrote: Very gambly play by MarineKing again.. He basicly said, alright if these two banshees and these 4 hellions don't do significantly more than average/expected damage, I'll just die because I double expanded while teching..
OUCH! Wow, MarineKing is really awesome with his marines, but people forget how good his Marauder usage is. One click made all the difference, shows how great SCII is!
On December 13 2012 08:17 ELA wrote: Very gambly play by MarineKing again.. He basicly said, alright if these two banshees and these 4 hellions don't do significantly more than average/expected damage, I'll just die because I double expanded while teching..
On December 13 2012 08:32 SpikeStarcraft wrote: I guess thats EGTL curse
Considering TaeJa hasn't really been getting really good results dating back to Spring? No.
Spring? Summer Arena 1st - July Assembly Summer 1st - August GSL Semifinals - September Dreamhack Valencia 1st - September It was called the Summer of TaeJa
On December 13 2012 08:32 SpikeStarcraft wrote: I guess thats EGTL curse
Considering TaeJa hasn't really been getting really good results dating back to Spring? No.
Spring? Summer Arena 1st - July Assembly Summer 1st - August GSL Semifinals - September Dreamhack Valencia 1st - September It was called the Summer of TaeJa
2nd at Dreamhack Winter, only lost to his team mate - Hardly a slump to suddenly not win everything
On December 13 2012 08:32 SpikeStarcraft wrote: I guess thats EGTL curse
Considering TaeJa hasn't really been getting really good results dating back to Spring? No.
Spring? Summer Arena 1st - July Assembly Summer 1st - August GSL Semifinals - September Dreamhack Valencia 1st - September It was called the Summer of TaeJa
2nd at Dreamhack Winter, only lost to his team mate - Hardly a slump to suddenly not win everything
I also forgot a top 4 finish at the MLG Summer Championship. if anyone hasnt had many good results since Spring it's Marineking. he has 2nd place WCG Korea, an IPL qualifier win, and some ro8s in the GSL
On December 13 2012 08:32 SpikeStarcraft wrote: I guess thats EGTL curse
Considering TaeJa hasn't really been getting really good results dating back to Spring? No.
Spring? Summer Arena 1st - July Assembly Summer 1st - August GSL Semifinals - September Dreamhack Valencia 1st - September It was called the Summer of TaeJa
I thought he started dominating in February? I guess it was a little longer than I originally thought. I knew about the GSL semis. I remembered the Arena but forgot which month it was. Totally forgot about Assembly and Valencia feels so long away but that was September? Well, shit. I've watched quite a number of his games and he's definitely tailed off over the last few months. Seems a lot longer though.
On December 13 2012 08:32 SpikeStarcraft wrote: I guess thats EGTL curse
Considering TaeJa hasn't really been getting really good results dating back to Spring? No.
Spring? Summer Arena 1st - July Assembly Summer 1st - August GSL Semifinals - September Dreamhack Valencia 1st - September It was called the Summer of TaeJa
2nd at Dreamhack Winter, only lost to his team mate - Hardly a slump to suddenly not win everything
Dreamhack isn't an indicator of anything really. There were 4 Koreans in the entire tournament, and 2 of those were Code B players.
On December 13 2012 08:32 SpikeStarcraft wrote: I guess thats EGTL curse
Considering TaeJa hasn't really been getting really good results dating back to Spring? No.
Spring? Summer Arena 1st - July Assembly Summer 1st - August GSL Semifinals - September Dreamhack Valencia 1st - September It was called the Summer of TaeJa
I thought he started dominating in February? I guess it was a little longer than I originally thought. I knew about the GSL semis. I remembered the Arena but forgot which month it was. Totally forgot about Assembly and Valencia feels so long away but that was September? Well, shit. I've watched quite a number of his games and he's definitely tailed off over the last few months. Seems a lot longer though.
because there are so many games in a year it feels like it was a long time ago but not really. Heck, even MMA was good for the first 1/3rd of the year!
On December 13 2012 08:32 SpikeStarcraft wrote: I guess thats EGTL curse
Considering TaeJa hasn't really been getting really good results dating back to Spring? No.
Spring? Summer Arena 1st - July Assembly Summer 1st - August GSL Semifinals - September Dreamhack Valencia 1st - September It was called the Summer of TaeJa
I thought he started dominating in February? I guess it was a little longer than I originally thought. I knew about the GSL semis. I remembered the Arena but forgot which month it was. Totally forgot about Assembly and Valencia feels so long away but that was September? Well, shit. I've watched quite a number of his games and he's definitely tailed off over the last few months. Seems a lot longer though.
because there are so many games in a year it feels like it was a long time ago but not really. Heck, even MMA was good for the first 1/3rd of the year!
Remember when DRG and Symbol were hailed as the new Zerg saviors, crushing almost everyone?
Yeah... that was this year too. Jesus, feels like so long ago even though this year went by so fast.
On December 13 2012 09:02 negativedge wrote: Wait, Scarlett came out of this group in first place? How were the games?
Pretty one-sided. Scarlett played her usual game well, and neither MKP nor Brown looked particularly great (Brown in particular made some pretty bad calls, in my opinion). The one game that Scarlett lost was due to getting over eager and making a bad push forward after a fight, allowing her infestors and BL's to get blunk all over.
On December 13 2012 09:02 negativedge wrote: Wait, Scarlett came out of this group in first place? How were the games?
Vs MKP they were OK, some major mistakes from MKP but solid play from Scarlett. Vs Brown it was kinda meh, Scarlett fucked up big time in one game Brown in two basically.
On December 13 2012 08:32 SpikeStarcraft wrote: I guess thats EGTL curse
Considering TaeJa hasn't really been getting really good results dating back to Spring? No.
Spring? Summer Arena 1st - July Assembly Summer 1st - August GSL Semifinals - September Dreamhack Valencia 1st - September It was called the Summer of TaeJa
I thought he started dominating in February? I guess it was a little longer than I originally thought. I knew about the GSL semis. I remembered the Arena but forgot which month it was. Totally forgot about Assembly and Valencia feels so long away but that was September? Well, shit. I've watched quite a number of his games and he's definitely tailed off over the last few months. Seems a lot longer though.
because there are so many games in a year it feels like it was a long time ago but not really. Heck, even MMA was good for the first 1/3rd of the year!
Well, yeah. He did win the first Iron Squid after all. It is quite a lot to remember. I guess Taeja's consistency over the last few months has gotten to me because some of that shit seems ages ago. At least HerO picked up the slack.
On December 13 2012 08:32 SpikeStarcraft wrote: I guess thats EGTL curse
Considering TaeJa hasn't really been getting really good results dating back to Spring? No.
Spring? Summer Arena 1st - July Assembly Summer 1st - August GSL Semifinals - September Dreamhack Valencia 1st - September It was called the Summer of TaeJa
I thought he started dominating in February? I guess it was a little longer than I originally thought. I knew about the GSL semis. I remembered the Arena but forgot which month it was. Totally forgot about Assembly and Valencia feels so long away but that was September? Well, shit. I've watched quite a number of his games and he's definitely tailed off over the last few months. Seems a lot longer though.
because there are so many games in a year it feels like it was a long time ago but not really. Heck, even MMA was good for the first 1/3rd of the year!
Well, yeah. He did win the first Iron Squid after all. It is quite a lot to remember. I guess Taeja's consistency over the last few months has gotten to me because some of that shit seems ages ago. At least HerO picked up the slack.
Isn't there a news about his wrists getting worse? He has been seen wearing a support on his wrist for quite awhile now. Or he is simply receiving his power from the sun via photosynthesis (that's why he's good in summer)
On December 13 2012 08:32 SpikeStarcraft wrote: I guess thats EGTL curse
Considering TaeJa hasn't really been getting really good results dating back to Spring? No.
Spring? Summer Arena 1st - July Assembly Summer 1st - August GSL Semifinals - September Dreamhack Valencia 1st - September It was called the Summer of TaeJa
I thought he started dominating in February? I guess it was a little longer than I originally thought. I knew about the GSL semis. I remembered the Arena but forgot which month it was. Totally forgot about Assembly and Valencia feels so long away but that was September? Well, shit. I've watched quite a number of his games and he's definitely tailed off over the last few months. Seems a lot longer though.
because there are so many games in a year it feels like it was a long time ago but not really. Heck, even MMA was good for the first 1/3rd of the year!
Well, yeah. He did win the first Iron Squid after all. It is quite a lot to remember. I guess Taeja's consistency over the last few months has gotten to me because some of that shit seems ages ago. At least HerO picked up the slack.
Isn't there a news about his wrists getting worse? He has been seen wearing a support on his wrist for quite awhile now. Or he is simply receiving his power from the sun via photosynthesis (that's why he's good in summer)
Summer of TaeJa, Winter of HerO.
TL needs to recruit two more players to win during the Spring and Fall seasons. Perhaps Sea will take over next Spring?
On December 13 2012 08:32 SpikeStarcraft wrote: I guess thats EGTL curse
Considering TaeJa hasn't really been getting really good results dating back to Spring? No.
Spring? Summer Arena 1st - July Assembly Summer 1st - August GSL Semifinals - September Dreamhack Valencia 1st - September It was called the Summer of TaeJa
I thought he started dominating in February? I guess it was a little longer than I originally thought. I knew about the GSL semis. I remembered the Arena but forgot which month it was. Totally forgot about Assembly and Valencia feels so long away but that was September? Well, shit. I've watched quite a number of his games and he's definitely tailed off over the last few months. Seems a lot longer though.
because there are so many games in a year it feels like it was a long time ago but not really. Heck, even MMA was good for the first 1/3rd of the year!
Well, yeah. He did win the first Iron Squid after all. It is quite a lot to remember. I guess Taeja's consistency over the last few months has gotten to me because some of that shit seems ages ago. At least HerO picked up the slack.
Isn't there a news about his wrists getting worse? He has been seen wearing a support on his wrist for quite awhile now. Or he is simply receiving his power from the sun via photosynthesis (that's why he's good in summer)
Summer of TaeJa, Winter of HerO.
TL needs to recruit two more players to win during the Spring and Fall seasons. Perhaps Sea will take over next Spring?
Isn't it Summer of Taeja, and Fall of HerO? I thought we count October through December as a Fall season and January to March as Winter. Well, at least that's how the anime industry called the seasons
On December 13 2012 08:32 SpikeStarcraft wrote: I guess thats EGTL curse
Considering TaeJa hasn't really been getting really good results dating back to Spring? No.
Spring? Summer Arena 1st - July Assembly Summer 1st - August GSL Semifinals - September Dreamhack Valencia 1st - September It was called the Summer of TaeJa
I thought he started dominating in February? I guess it was a little longer than I originally thought. I knew about the GSL semis. I remembered the Arena but forgot which month it was. Totally forgot about Assembly and Valencia feels so long away but that was September? Well, shit. I've watched quite a number of his games and he's definitely tailed off over the last few months. Seems a lot longer though.
because there are so many games in a year it feels like it was a long time ago but not really. Heck, even MMA was good for the first 1/3rd of the year!
Well, yeah. He did win the first Iron Squid after all. It is quite a lot to remember. I guess Taeja's consistency over the last few months has gotten to me because some of that shit seems ages ago. At least HerO picked up the slack.
Isn't there a news about his wrists getting worse? He has been seen wearing a support on his wrist for quite awhile now. Or he is simply receiving his power from the sun via photosynthesis (that's why he's good in summer)
Summer of TaeJa, Winter of HerO.
TL needs to recruit two more players to win during the Spring and Fall seasons. Perhaps Sea will take over next Spring?
Isn't it Summer of Taeja, and Fall of HerO? I thought we count October through December as a Fall season and January to March as Winter. Well, at least that's how the anime industry called the seasons
You have a point. Winter doesn't officially start til like the 21st or something. The Fall of Hero sounds more catchy as well.
So I guess this will be the winter of Sea. He better start getting to work now.
I'm following the reddit conversation I think she was just joking about Brown now being zerg, just an acer joke. I think she was serious about Brown being on Acer now though.
IronSquid account (presumably Acer's manager Kaoru) said it was a false rumour in this thread. He should know best. And Scarlett edited in the Zerg joke, first it just said "no".
@ Seeker: There was still a chance they could've signed him if he's just a practice partner, no?
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