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Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
December 12 2012 12:46 GMT
#1541
On December 12 2012 21:36 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 21:35 bittman wrote:
On December 12 2012 21:32 Tsubbi wrote:
b4 the only zerg who won a zvt series so far since the patch


From interviews of zergs they all read something like:

"I thought it wouldn't matter, but I find it hard to land fungals". They just need to reaccustomise their range. All patches swing game balance around instantly and then level out again.

Besides, it's a convenient excuse for sloppy control.

You ever try controlling a group of units thats as clumsy as an Immortal, with 1/4 the HP? Even with decent control and your full attention, they tend to just lumber into the fray like a squishy ultralisk and get massacred.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 13:34:24
December 12 2012 12:54 GMT
#1542
fucking hate SC2 for making me watch this instead of perfect muta dance and donglings micro we could have seen today.
We could have seen Horang perfect simcities for one more year.
We could have seen Flash sharp timings and godly management.
Bisu PvZ engagements and Jangbi storms.
We could have witnessed all this art instead of watching this.
fkc this life

User was warned for this post
arcane1129
Profile Joined January 2011
United States270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 12:55:53
December 12 2012 12:55 GMT
#1543
On December 12 2012 21:46 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 21:36 TheDwf wrote:
On December 12 2012 21:35 bittman wrote:
On December 12 2012 21:32 Tsubbi wrote:
b4 the only zerg who won a zvt series so far since the patch


From interviews of zergs they all read something like:

"I thought it wouldn't matter, but I find it hard to land fungals". They just need to reaccustomise their range. All patches swing game balance around instantly and then level out again.

Besides, it's a convenient excuse for sloppy control.

You ever try controlling a group of units thats as clumsy as an Immortal, with 1/4 the HP? Even with decent control and your full attention, they tend to just lumber into the fray like a squishy ultralisk and get massacred.


While infestors tend to have a deathwish it was still sloppy control from the bw player most renowned for unit control.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 12 2012 12:56 GMT
#1544
On December 12 2012 21:54 letian wrote:
fucking hate SC2 for making me watch this instead of perfect muta dance and donglings micro we could have seen today.
We could have seen Horang perfect simcities for one more year.
We could have seen Flash sharp timings and godly management.
Bisu PvZ engagements and Jangbi storms.
We could have witnessed all this art instead of watching this abomination.

SC2 didn't make you watch this, how ever much you may hate it for contributing towards bw's decline.
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 12:58:43
December 12 2012 12:58 GMT
#1545
On December 12 2012 21:46 bo1b wrote:
I feel like I'm the only one who's not surprised at Jaedong not stomping everyone. His performance towards the end of BW was rapidly declining.

The problem is that JD is still approximately 9,52 times more skilled than Hack. But you know, SC2.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 12 2012 13:01 GMT
#1546
On December 12 2012 21:58 Glioburd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 21:46 bo1b wrote:
I feel like I'm the only one who's not surprised at Jaedong not stomping everyone. His performance towards the end of BW was rapidly declining.

The problem is that JD is still approximately 9,52 times more skilled than Hack. But you know, SC2.

If you are implying that jaedong displayed more skill in those games than hack then...
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
December 12 2012 13:03 GMT
#1547
On December 12 2012 21:56 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 21:54 letian wrote:
fucking hate SC2 for making me watch this instead of perfect muta dance and donglings micro we could have seen today.
We could have seen Horang perfect simcities for one more year.
We could have seen Flash sharp timings and godly management.
Bisu PvZ engagements and Jangbi storms.
We could have witnessed all this art instead of watching this abomination.

SC2 didn't make you watch this, how ever much you may hate it for contributing towards bw's decline.

yes, I should probably elaborate and say that it's ppl who buy this, whine about balance and by doing so support the industry of shitty, user-friendly games that flood the market with their boring adapted worlds.

User was temp banned for this post.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 12 2012 13:03 GMT
#1548
On December 12 2012 21:58 Glioburd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 21:46 bo1b wrote:
I feel like I'm the only one who's not surprised at Jaedong not stomping everyone. His performance towards the end of BW was rapidly declining.

The problem is that JD is still approximately 9,52 times more skilled than Hack. But you know, SC2.


Not the same time, not the same game.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
December 12 2012 13:05 GMT
#1549
Really guys, relax, hack is pretty good and jaedong still has a chance in up and downs.
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
December 12 2012 13:05 GMT
#1550
On December 12 2012 21:54 letian wrote:
fucking hate SC2 for making me watch this instead of perfect muta dance and donglings micro we could have seen today.
We could have seen Horang perfect simcities for one more year.
We could have seen Flash sharp timings and godly management.
Bisu PvZ engagements and Jangbi storms.
We could have witnessed all this art instead of watching this abomination.
fkc this life

Old news. Some people understood it quite early, that SC2 does not bring anything new and unique that is making you jizz your pants. And they also understood that TBLS/A-class players will probably lose their trademark values as these were deeply connected to BW 'metagame'/how the game worked.
Stork[gm]
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
December 12 2012 13:08 GMT
#1551
On December 12 2012 22:05 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 21:54 letian wrote:
fucking hate SC2 for making me watch this instead of perfect muta dance and donglings micro we could have seen today.
We could have seen Horang perfect simcities for one more year.
We could have seen Flash sharp timings and godly management.
Bisu PvZ engagements and Jangbi storms.
We could have witnessed all this art instead of watching this abomination.
fkc this life

Old news. Some people understood it quite early, that SC2 does not bring anything new and unique that is making you jizz your pants. And they also understood that TBLS/A-class players will probably lose their trademark values as these were deeply connected to BW 'metagame'/how the game worked.

I just could not hold myself anymore after today's games .
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 12 2012 13:15 GMT
#1552
So, let me recap

Kespa player wins : OMG, that BW macro!!! Elephant stomp!!! Look at that multitask!!! Godly!!!

eSF player wins : Blah, whatever... It is SC2, everyone is the same and it takes no skills...


Calm down. The game is different and it will take time to adjust. Some players will adjust faster/quicker, and some will adjust slow and some won't adjust at all.
gOst
Profile Joined June 2011
415 Posts
December 12 2012 13:16 GMT
#1553
On December 12 2012 21:46 bo1b wrote:
I feel like I'm the only one who's not surprised at Jaedong not stomping everyone. His performance towards the end of BW was rapidly declining.


This. I'm surprised he actually has gotten this far. For some reason he was seeded into code s and lost horribly and bombed out of gsl faster than anyone can say LeeSsangRok.
At least he managed to requalify for code a but for some reason he still doesn't play all that well. I didn't see his match with sirius in ro48 but his ro32 match with losira was a joke where losira played some of the weirdest games that even the otherwise forgiving wolf couldn't pass without question.
In the series today neither Hack nor Jaedong played particularly well but I guess that throwing away countless lings for little to no gain and trying to ram tanks with infestors eventually makes even zerg lose a game or two.
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
December 12 2012 13:16 GMT
#1554
On December 12 2012 22:05 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 21:54 letian wrote:
fucking hate SC2 for making me watch this instead of perfect muta dance and donglings micro we could have seen today.
We could have seen Horang perfect simcities for one more year.
We could have seen Flash sharp timings and godly management.
Bisu PvZ engagements and Jangbi storms.
We could have witnessed all this art instead of watching this abomination.
fkc this life

Old news. Some people understood it quite early, that SC2 does not bring anything new and unique that is making you jizz your pants. And they also understood that TBLS/A-class players will probably lose their trademark values as these were deeply connected to BW 'metagame'/how the game worked.


I thought BW fans believed in the elephant theory.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 13:35:37
December 12 2012 13:19 GMT
#1555
On December 12 2012 22:15 vthree wrote:
So, let me recap

Kespa player wins : OMG, that BW macro!!! Elephant stomp!!! Look at that multitask!!! Godly!!!

eSF player wins : Blah, whatever... It is SC2, everyone is the same and it takes no skills...


Calm down. The game is different and it will take time to adjust. Some players will adjust faster/quicker, and some will adjust slow and some won't adjust at all.

no, BW was a perfect game that worked well, that was replaced by something that doesn't look like it and is something different. I don't care if it is also a great game, it is different. We, the tl community, loved BW and would still enjoy it if not this. Nobody had a single thought why should somebody replace BW. Replaced it was. Who asked for that?
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
December 12 2012 13:25 GMT
#1556
On December 12 2012 22:15 vthree wrote:
So, let me recap

Kespa player wins : OMG, that BW macro!!! Elephant stomp!!! Look at that multitask!!! Godly!!!

eSF player wins : Blah, whatever... It is SC2, everyone is the same and it takes no skills...

Personally it's more :
Kespa player wins : Blah, whatever... It is SC2, everyone is the same and it takes no skills... but I'm happy for him.
eSF player wins : Blah, whatever... It is SC2, everyone is the same and it takes no skills...
:p
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
December 12 2012 13:29 GMT
#1557
On December 12 2012 22:19 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 22:15 vthree wrote:
So, let me recap

Kespa player wins : OMG, that BW macro!!! Elephant stomp!!! Look at that multitask!!! Godly!!!

eSF player wins : Blah, whatever... It is SC2, everyone is the same and it takes no skills...


Calm down. The game is different and it will take time to adjust. Some players will adjust faster/quicker, and some will adjust slow and some won't adjust at all.

no, BW was a perfect game that worked well, that was replaced by something that doesn't look like it and is something different. I don't care if it is also a great game, it is different. We, the tl community, loved BW and would still enjoy it if not this shit. Nobody had a single thought why should somebody replace BW. Replaced it was. For fuck's sake, who asked for that?


Thank you for your thought and input on this matter, Mr. Nazgul.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 12 2012 13:30 GMT
#1558
On December 12 2012 22:19 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 22:15 vthree wrote:
So, let me recap

Kespa player wins : OMG, that BW macro!!! Elephant stomp!!! Look at that multitask!!! Godly!!!

eSF player wins : Blah, whatever... It is SC2, everyone is the same and it takes no skills...


Calm down. The game is different and it will take time to adjust. Some players will adjust faster/quicker, and some will adjust slow and some won't adjust at all.

no, BW was a perfect game that worked well, that was replaced by something that doesn't look like it and is something different. I don't care if it is also a great game, it is different. We, the tl community, loved BW and would still enjoy it if not this shit. Nobody had a single thought why should somebody replace BW. Replaced it was. For fuck's sake, who asked for that?



There are several reason but here are the biggest 2 :

Blizzard - Don't think too many people were buying copies of BW and they want to sell more SC2 expansions

Kespa - The popularity of BW was declining in Korea and the international fanbase has always been a small but hardcore group

Look, it is a business. If you can find a huge sponsor who would pour money into BW, it probably would have lasted longer.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 13:38:07
December 12 2012 13:36 GMT
#1559
On December 12 2012 22:15 vthree wrote:
Calm down. The game is different and it will take time to adjust. Some players will adjust faster/quicker, and some will adjust slow and some won't adjust at all.


The problem is that in "adjusting" to the game, players actually lose a lot of quality and what made them worth watching.

Look at Rain's PvZ against Soulkey from two seasons ago at Neo Beltway, and look at how he plays now... he's adjusted so well and now his play is bleh. Making the right units at the right time, that's it. He's good at it but there's nothing to see.

An "adjusted" Bisu would no longer be Bisu at all - because Bisu wouldn't build Colossi and Bisu wouldn't sit and play passively, but now he has to or he loses. Jaedong with Infestors and without Mutalisks is not Jaedong, just some random Zerg. Only the Terrans can really show quality play because SC2 Terran is pretty decent still.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
December 12 2012 13:36 GMT
#1560
On December 12 2012 22:05 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 21:54 letian wrote:
fucking hate SC2 for making me watch this instead of perfect muta dance and donglings micro we could have seen today.
We could have seen Horang perfect simcities for one more year.
We could have seen Flash sharp timings and godly management.
Bisu PvZ engagements and Jangbi storms.
We could have witnessed all this art instead of watching this abomination.
fkc this life

Old news. Some people understood it quite early, that SC2 does not bring anything new and unique that is making you jizz your pants. And they also understood that TBLS/A-class players will probably lose their trademark values as these were deeply connected to BW 'metagame'/how the game worked.


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