EPT[Code A] RO24 Day 1 2012 GSL Season 5 - Page 80
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tuho12345
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Darkthorn
Romania912 Posts
On December 12 2012 23:47 SilentSC2 wrote: Yay Noblesse been waiting for your return! And YoDa... IM not doing to well this season. T_T Mvp does well...the really don't matter...if he can carry the momentum he will win GSL final tour :D | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
parting is fucking imba | ||
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Mozzery
United States140 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
On December 13 2012 04:37 tuho12345 wrote: JD sucks, accept it. I'm tired of ppl talking about how good he was in a different game. Are you serious? He made it to round 3 in code a, thats more than a huge amount of pro gamers will ever achieve. Yeah he lost to a guy who ques up, has money floating and hotkeys all his production buildings on the same control group, that is kinda sad, but loosing 1-2, which means he was 1 game away from going to code s, the hardest tournament in the world, after making it through code b qualifiers (remember the little thingie that took yongwha forever to do, yet he has probably been one of the best protoss in the world for forever), does mean a lot, but sucking is not one of them. Please show some respect to one of the most talented rts players of all time. OT: Kinda meh results for me today, but good to have parting back in code s, maybe he'll win one now. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On December 13 2012 00:53 Wildmoon wrote: hahaha have to laught at this. This sound like an excuse of losers to me. Just except that Jaedong and many BW players are just not as good as you think they are. Everyone is the same? I can't even compare Jaedong's skill in SC2 to Leenock. Leenock is just miles ahead of Jaedong and he happened to win a lot of championships. So, I'm pretty sure that SC2 takes skill but Jaedong just lacks it. It's always so freaking funny when some fanboy said that these top BW players are naturally gifted at RTS games. Where da fuck they got that from? As far as i know they only showed a great talent in BW. I know this may be hard to accept but it's just a truth. ... have you ever played broodwar? Do you know how fucking hard that game is? Have you ever played a tvz or zvt against a decent opponent? I used to play with like 180 APM and I couldnt do SHIT in that game, there was just too much to do and I switched to protoss. jaedong is one of 2 or 3 zergs in the entire ~11 year history of professional broodwar who maintained a >60% winrate in zvt. He has not only won 3 OS and 2 MSLs (plus 4 silver medals) but has also time and time again won against the best tvz'ers of all time. flash, sea, light. His impeccable muta micro was certainly the main reason for his success in zvt and to a lesser extent zvz. And he was and is probably not the smartest player, noone is saying that. But his raw ability (>400 APM), work ethic and mental strength made him a champion time and time again. In one of the hardest RTS ever created. In an environment full of professoinal players. To think that Lee Jae Dong MIGHT NOT BE GOOD at RTS games is just... offending. Disgusting. And a sign of utter disrespect. I too doubt that he will able to succeed in SC2, but not because he might not be as good as leenock but because like all great careers his too must end some day. And we saw at the end of BW that his skill was already declining. Nada, July. These players are among the most gifted RTS players on the planet (try to play with 400 APM urself while also being productive). So show some respect, god damn it. | ||
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Dundron2000
Sweden1140 Posts
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ref4
2933 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:52 Djin)ftw( wrote: ... have you ever played broodwar? Do you know how fucking hard that game is? Have you ever played a tvz or zvt against a decent opponent? I used to play with like 180 APM and I couldnt do SHIT in that game, there was just too much to do and I switched to protoss. jaedong is one of 2 or 3 zergs in the entire ~11 year history of professional broodwar who maintained a >60% winrate in zvt. He has not only won 3 OS and 2 MSLs (plus 4 silver medals) but has also time and time again won against the best tvz'ers of all time. flash, sea, light. His impeccable muta micro was certainly the main reason for his success in zvt and to a lesser extent zvz. And he was and is probably not the smartest player, noone is saying that. But his raw ability (>400 APM), work ethic and mental strength made him a champion time and time again. In one of the hardest RTS ever created. In an environment full of professoinal players. To think that Lee Jae Dong MIGHT NOT BE GOOD at RTS games is just... offending. Disgusting. And a sign of utter disrespect. I too doubt that he will able to succeed in SC2, but not because he might not be as good as leenock but because like all great careers his too must end some day. And we saw at the end of BW that his skill was already declining. Nada, July. These players are among the most gifted RTS players on the planet (try to play with 400 APM urself while also being productive). So show some respect, god damn it. once again, there is enough difference between SC2 and BW that success in one DOES NOT translate directly into the other. besides, JD needs to ditch that outdated muta ling bling style and go for fast hive + infestors like all the good Zergs (Suppy, Scarlett, Vortix) | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
. These guys have had practice schedules and lives that would burn out 90% of SC 2 pros right now. Give them time, it's before early to make judgments. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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Account252508
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18619 Posts
On December 13 2012 10:43 oneofthem wrote: jaedong's particular kind of play style was the target of blizzard's sc2 infantization. in bw he can dominate through mechanics and micro, sc2 nerfed those skills hard. jaedong's style of the last two years has been to rush to hive asap :/ he hasnt been the aggressive zerg he used to be for a long time now nor does he have the best micro | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:10 c0sm0naut wrote: lol, just watched the vods parting is fucking imba Or maybe terran should do a safer opener than a blind super fast triple orbital and hope the protoss doesn't attack. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On December 13 2012 11:27 Whitewing wrote: Or maybe terran should do a safer opener than a blind super fast triple orbital and hope the protoss doesn't attack. I don't think he is balance whining. I think he's complimenting Parting on looking so dominant since he started with "lol" at least that's my take on it | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
On December 13 2012 11:23 sharkie wrote: jaedong's style of the last two years has been to rush to hive asap :/ he hasnt been the aggressive zerg he used to be for a long time now nor does he have the best micro yea i got really tired of jaedong rushing to 4 base hive zvp to just get rolled over  | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On December 13 2012 11:38 Shellshock1122 wrote: I don't think he is balance whining. I think he's complimenting Parting on looking so dominant since he started with "lol" at least that's my take on it Fair enough, but anyone will look good doing an all-in against such a greedy build. | ||
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alexanderzero
United States659 Posts
Consider that he got as far in the GSL this season as: DongRaeGu And he got farther than: Taeja MC Hero Flash Nestea Losira (who he defeated 2:0) Bomber Happy MMA Jaedong has perhaps one of the most decisive play styles of any professional Zerg player in Starcraft 2. His mechanics are stellar, for example his creep spread which is already god-tier. His losses are a result of bad decisions being made, but his decision making has seriously improved. Remember his Code A run in Season 4? It's like he's a different player now. Once Jaedong has figured out the ins and outs of SC2, if he so desires, I'm certain that he will be schooling some nerds. And a note about Kespa players in general: 19 of 48 players in code A are kespa players. Nearly half of them are kespa players, and this is only the second GSL they have ever played in. For most of them they have played less than three tournaments together with the established SC2 professionals. I think that's pretty good considering not a single foreigner, of whom many have been on the scene and competing since beta, can even qualify for Code A. Just about every single player who has had any success in the GSL since it's inception used to play brood war professionally. People seem to forget this. Guys like Polt (who played Warcraft 3) who didn't play brood war, but are successful in Starcraft 2, are obnoxiously rare. To make an argument that the skillset doesn't transfer over is stupid. And to deny that the current kespa pros don't have the potential to smash the established order of SC2 is to completely ignore the fact that most of the established pros in SC2 were getting raped without lube when they tried to compete in brood war. It's easy to say that JD sucks when you don't have any context, but don't forget that he was doing mass queens and nydus worms against protoss players in his first televised SC2 match against a protoss player, which was only like six months ago or so. I'm sure you could line up a giant swath of pro SC2 players (from code B koreans to various foreigners) that could answer strategic questions about the metagame with much more reliability than Jaedong can. You don't see those players qualifying into code A twice in a row. Case in point. | ||
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ChApFoU
France2983 Posts
On December 13 2012 08:50 ref4 wrote: once again, there is enough difference between SC2 and BW that success in one DOES NOT translate directly into the other. besides, JD needs to ditch that outdated muta ling bling style and go for fast hive + infestors like all the good Zergs (Suppy, Scarlett, Vortix) LOL, you just obliterated yourself comparing JD to foreigners. Ever heard of MLG vs Proleague ? Go google the stats. Jaedong went 37-11 in that tournament, foreign zergs ? Well ... just go and see for yourself ^^ And about mutalingbane, Thorzain, one of the best foreign terran, got demolished twice in PL by random Kespa zergs with that unit composition and my guess is that they know a lot better than you what works and what doesn't work in ZvT. | ||
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