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On December 12 2012 18:50 Maloreon wrote:
I still give the edge to Scarlett for best overall creep spread mechanics (if you have not watched her stream it's truly insane)... but that is pretty wild for a game on WW. 12:00 mark and he was pushing the halfway mark and not the "single line of creep" style it was the full map covered.
Why is it that some games DRG's mechanics (mainly creep) are 2x better than others? It seems random.
Creep vs. bads on ladder is easy. In a GSL booth it's really different. The whole point of creep pushing is that it's down to multi-tasking - if you're not having to multi-task much because your opponent isn't forcing you to do anything you can fill the whole map.
A Zerg's success with creep is hugely down to how much they devote to it and to what extent your opponent is devoting against it. How useful it is depends on map and opponent, so that's the real determinant.
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I wanted to see those SCVs make it into the main and start attacking buildings. 
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Is the free stream down for anyone else ?
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On December 12 2012 18:53 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 18:45 Maloreon wrote:On December 12 2012 18:43 Soyuz wrote:On December 12 2012 18:41 Hiea wrote:On December 12 2012 18:40 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 12 2012 18:38 Maloreon wrote:On December 12 2012 18:36 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 12 2012 18:35 silent_owl wrote:On December 12 2012 18:31 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Noblesse is kind of like a worse (compared to contemporary standards) modern day sC. Happy birthday, man.  Anyway, yeah. Although I miss sC during his heyday. Thanks. And yeah, it makes me sadface. sC was a cool stylistic player and we need some more stylistic players in SC2 right now. It's ok we have cool stylistic players like Gumiho. His style: owning your entire face. And. . .and Jjakji. Right? *Sniffles* Stylistics player fall out because its not very viable in most cases.. it just ends up getting figured out, there are very few stylistic. that's why sniper won gsl. that guy has no style Lol... but its also true for world class players over the last two years like Leenock and MVP. Their style: owning. Despite my joke earlier in the thread the best players might have little quirks or whatever in their play but they can play any build really well. At least that is what I like to believe, for now. Someday I hope we get bizarre virtuosos that can dominate for years with a distinct style. We'll see. I am not sure I would say that about Mvp. Mvp was one of the first to use many 'styles' but his styles were so good and stable that they became the de-facto standard. Did Terrans mech v Z before Mvp? Sure. But it was still rare and 'stylistic' (ie MKP Thor push). But after Mvp showed off the mech build with constant banshees, it became one of the 'standard' builds. Mvp was also one of the first (along with MKP) to do marine splits, multi pronge drops, mass ghosts, tank pushes (vP).
We probably have different definitions of styles. I see those more as mechanics or builds (the mech thing I can see style). In that case I'd say Leenock is very stylistic since he has always done unique things before everyone else (burrow usage with banelings and Infestors mainly). It is probably stuff that is common on ladder but we just see it first with innovators like Leenock or MVP.
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Oh sorry, I appear to have stepped on your army.
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On December 12 2012 18:54 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 18:50 Maloreon wrote:
I still give the edge to Scarlett for best overall creep spread mechanics (if you have not watched her stream it's truly insane)... but that is pretty wild for a game on WW. 12:00 mark and he was pushing the halfway mark and not the "single line of creep" style it was the full map covered.
Why is it that some games DRG's mechanics (mainly creep) are 2x better than others? It seems random. Creep vs. bads on ladder is easy. In a GSL booth it's really different. The whole point of creep pushing is that it's down to multi-tasking - if you're not having to multi-task much because your opponent isn't forcing you to do anything you can fill the whole map. A Zerg's success with creep is hugely down to how much they devote to it and to what extent your opponent is devoting against it. How useful it is depends on map and opponent, so that's the real determinant.
Her creep spread is extremely good in tournaments as well.
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This is why lings are weak in this game. Otherwise DRG could make 180 of them in a few seconds to remax and just a-win 
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Anyone having massive bandwidth problems with the stream? (as if I'm downloading whilst trying to watch, but I'm not - I've checked ;P)
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On December 12 2012 18:54 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 18:50 Maloreon wrote:
I still give the edge to Scarlett for best overall creep spread mechanics (if you have not watched her stream it's truly insane)... but that is pretty wild for a game on WW. 12:00 mark and he was pushing the halfway mark and not the "single line of creep" style it was the full map covered.
Why is it that some games DRG's mechanics (mainly creep) are 2x better than others? It seems random. Creep vs. bads on ladder is easy. In a GSL booth it's really different. The whole point of creep pushing is that it's down to multi-tasking - if you're not having to multi-task much because your opponent isn't forcing you to do anything you can fill the whole map. A Zerg's success with creep is hugely down to how much they devote to it and to what extent your opponent is devoting against it. How useful it is depends on map and opponent, so that's the real determinant.
I agree. However I have seen Scarlett push creep faster than anyone and that's vs. constant hellion harass. I may be wrong but from my perspective, and I watch WAY too much SC2, I find her creep mechanics the best including in a hectic game. Are her opponents Code S level? Some, I've seen her do this to some Code S+ Terrans for sure.
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On December 12 2012 18:55 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 18:54 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 12 2012 18:50 Maloreon wrote:
I still give the edge to Scarlett for best overall creep spread mechanics (if you have not watched her stream it's truly insane)... but that is pretty wild for a game on WW. 12:00 mark and he was pushing the halfway mark and not the "single line of creep" style it was the full map covered.
Why is it that some games DRG's mechanics (mainly creep) are 2x better than others? It seems random. Creep vs. bads on ladder is easy. In a GSL booth it's really different. The whole point of creep pushing is that it's down to multi-tasking - if you're not having to multi-task much because your opponent isn't forcing you to do anything you can fill the whole map. A Zerg's success with creep is hugely down to how much they devote to it and to what extent your opponent is devoting against it. How useful it is depends on map and opponent, so that's the real determinant. Her creep spread is extremely good in tournaments as well.
Foreign Terrans =/= Korean Terrans.
And like I said, it depends how much you want to devote to creep spread. If DRG wanted to he could have the entire map covered every time but the rest of his game would suffer for it.
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Oh wow. DRG is dropping the ball a little here.
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On December 12 2012 18:54 ChApFoU wrote:
Is the free stream down for anyone else ?
Yep, down for me. I cant seem to find an alternate way to watch either.
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On December 12 2012 18:57 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 18:55 GolemMadness wrote:On December 12 2012 18:54 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 12 2012 18:50 Maloreon wrote:
I still give the edge to Scarlett for best overall creep spread mechanics (if you have not watched her stream it's truly insane)... but that is pretty wild for a game on WW. 12:00 mark and he was pushing the halfway mark and not the "single line of creep" style it was the full map covered.
Why is it that some games DRG's mechanics (mainly creep) are 2x better than others? It seems random. Creep vs. bads on ladder is easy. In a GSL booth it's really different. The whole point of creep pushing is that it's down to multi-tasking - if you're not having to multi-task much because your opponent isn't forcing you to do anything you can fill the whole map. A Zerg's success with creep is hugely down to how much they devote to it and to what extent your opponent is devoting against it. How useful it is depends on map and opponent, so that's the real determinant. Her creep spread is extremely good in tournaments as well. Foreign Terrans =/= Korean Terrans. And like I said, it depends how much you want to devote to creep spread. If DRG wanted to he could have the entire map covered every time but the rest of his game would suffer for it.
there was a pretty sick game against bomber iirc haha
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why did he remax on lings
now he has no minerals...
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I hate that players NEVER repair their medivacs
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On December 12 2012 18:57 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 18:55 GolemMadness wrote:On December 12 2012 18:54 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 12 2012 18:50 Maloreon wrote:
I still give the edge to Scarlett for best overall creep spread mechanics (if you have not watched her stream it's truly insane)... but that is pretty wild for a game on WW. 12:00 mark and he was pushing the halfway mark and not the "single line of creep" style it was the full map covered.
Why is it that some games DRG's mechanics (mainly creep) are 2x better than others? It seems random. Creep vs. bads on ladder is easy. In a GSL booth it's really different. The whole point of creep pushing is that it's down to multi-tasking - if you're not having to multi-task much because your opponent isn't forcing you to do anything you can fill the whole map. A Zerg's success with creep is hugely down to how much they devote to it and to what extent your opponent is devoting against it. How useful it is depends on map and opponent, so that's the real determinant. Her creep spread is extremely good in tournaments as well. Foreign Terrans =/= Korean Terrans. And like I said, it depends how much you want to devote to creep spread. If DRG wanted to he could have the entire map covered every time but the rest of his game would suffer for it.
You've missed some of her tournaments though she has done this to top Korean Terrans (including Bomber) while they hellion harass creep and have map presence. Just saying. Pros have also said her creep mechanics are the best. Anyway, DRG is a monster. I was just trying to think of one player who has creep spread better and that is all I could come up with.
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On December 12 2012 18:57 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 18:55 GolemMadness wrote:On December 12 2012 18:54 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 12 2012 18:50 Maloreon wrote:
I still give the edge to Scarlett for best overall creep spread mechanics (if you have not watched her stream it's truly insane)... but that is pretty wild for a game on WW. 12:00 mark and he was pushing the halfway mark and not the "single line of creep" style it was the full map covered.
Why is it that some games DRG's mechanics (mainly creep) are 2x better than others? It seems random. Creep vs. bads on ladder is easy. In a GSL booth it's really different. The whole point of creep pushing is that it's down to multi-tasking - if you're not having to multi-task much because your opponent isn't forcing you to do anything you can fill the whole map. A Zerg's success with creep is hugely down to how much they devote to it and to what extent your opponent is devoting against it. How useful it is depends on map and opponent, so that's the real determinant. Her creep spread is extremely good in tournaments as well. Foreign Terrans =/= Korean Terrans. And like I said, it depends how much you want to devote to creep spread. If DRG wanted to he could have the entire map covered every time but the rest of his game would suffer for it.
I guess she's never played a Korean terran before.
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On December 12 2012 18:57 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 18:54 ChApFoU wrote:
Is the free stream down for anyone else ? Yep, down for me. I cant seem to find an alternate way to watch either.
Try stopping the gom player's stream then click play again. It worked for me.
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