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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote: I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods. Widow Mine on the other hand seems really good and interesting for TvZ. Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why. | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On December 17 2012 11:09 PhoenixVoid wrote: I understand that pros are really interested in the new units/upgrades, but wouldn't Infestor/Ling/Bane into Ultras or BLs fare better than Roach/Hydra/Viper? Caduceus Reactor as I understand makes Fungal a lot weaker, but the trapping is what I think is more important, then the Banes can crash into the Bio. I play Protoss and so I'm not very familiar with HotS TvZ but from what I've heard the Hydra/Viper combo is a very powerful composition against mech but doesn't fare so well against Bio. The Hydras are not particularly cost efficient when the new Medivac upgrade comes into play and it looked pretty easy for the Terran to dodge the Blinding Cloud. I think more use of Abduct to snipe off Medivacs would have worked out better. | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
On December 17 2012 11:10 Dodgin wrote: Infestors are not very good in hots, infested terrans don't get any benefit from upgrades, fungal is a projectile, and the WOL nerfs to the IT egg health and range is in there too. Vipers are good, Miya botched the final engagement badly. You could see how powerful good blinding clouds were in the earlier fights where it looked like he was about to die but turned it around. They surelly will not be "winfestors" as in WoL, but still the "root"effect imo could be very important vs infantry. We gotta see how hots meta develops. | ||
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Coletrain_
Canada15 Posts
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Weavel
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
On December 17 2012 11:11 Badfatpanda wrote: Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why. Ya you re right, with infestors balanced in hots, viper should be the caster of choice vs mech. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 17 2012 11:14 Belha wrote: Ya you re right, with infestors balanced in hots, viper should be the caster of choice vs mech. swarm hosts aren't too bad either. Honestly I don't get it, it seems like some where along the "fix mech tvp" line they killed mech in tvz. Or considerably weakened it. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32743 Posts
On December 17 2012 11:12 Exarl25 wrote: I play Protoss and so I'm not very familiar with HotS TvZ but from what I've heard the Hydra/Viper combo is a very powerful composition against mech but doesn't fare so well against Bio. The Hydras are not particularly cost efficient when the new Medivac upgrade comes into play and it looked pretty easy for the Terran to dodge the Blinding Cloud. I think more use of Abduct to snipe off Medivacs would have worked out better. Roach/Hydra/Viper is the new mid-late game composition against Mech from what I've seen so far. But the advantages don't carry so well against Bio, seeing as it lacks splash damage, efficiency and speed (to an extent). | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32743 Posts
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
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Rampager
Australia1007 Posts
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On December 17 2012 11:16 chipmonklord17 wrote: swarm hosts aren't too bad either. Honestly I don't get it, it seems like some where along the "fix mech tvp" line they killed mech in tvz. Or considerably weakened it. The mech argument is one that I'll never understand. If a Protoss player said "I want to win games making only Robotics units because I don't like making Zealots or Stalkers at all", people would not take it seriously. Tanks are awesome, Hellions are awesome, Thors are awesome and all these units are viable. What's the problem? | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32743 Posts
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
Widow mines best T addition in hots? | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On December 17 2012 11:21 sitromit wrote: The mech argument is one that I'll never understand. If a Protoss player said "I want to win games making only Robotics units because I don't like making Zealots or Stalkers at all", people would not take it seriously. Tanks are awesome, Hellions are awesome, Thors are awesome and all these units are viable. What's the problem? The most iconic unit in SC for Terran was the siege tank and positional play resulting from it. As a spectator and player I miss it in TvP as the immortal renders every mech unit aside from hellions impotent. It's mech. Not only robo units. | ||
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mannerless
Brazil86 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On December 17 2012 11:24 Belha wrote: Crank is so dead. Widow mines best T addition in hots? Everyone thought widow mines were sucky until the koreans showed us how to use them, lol. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On December 17 2012 11:25 Badfatpanda wrote: The most iconic unit in SC for Terran was the siege tank and positional play resulting from it. As a spectator and player I miss it in TvP as the immortal renders every mech unit aside from hellions impotent. It's mech. Not only robo units. Then the problem is the Immortal not Terran mech. Unfortunately I don't see Blizzard ever changing it. | ||
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