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Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
December 17 2012 02:11 GMT
#321
On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote:
I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods.

Widow Mine on the other hand seems really good and interesting for TvZ.


Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
December 17 2012 02:12 GMT
#322
On December 17 2012 11:09 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I understand that pros are really interested in the new units/upgrades, but wouldn't Infestor/Ling/Bane into Ultras or BLs fare better than Roach/Hydra/Viper? Caduceus Reactor as I understand makes Fungal a lot weaker, but the trapping is what I think is more important, then the Banes can crash into the Bio.


I play Protoss and so I'm not very familiar with HotS TvZ but from what I've heard the Hydra/Viper combo is a very powerful composition against mech but doesn't fare so well against Bio. The Hydras are not particularly cost efficient when the new Medivac upgrade comes into play and it looked pretty easy for the Terran to dodge the Blinding Cloud. I think more use of Abduct to snipe off Medivacs would have worked out better.
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
December 17 2012 02:13 GMT
#323
On December 17 2012 11:10 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote:
I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods.


Infestors are not very good in hots, infested terrans don't get any benefit from upgrades, fungal is a projectile, and the WOL nerfs to the IT egg health and range is in there too.

Vipers are good, Miya botched the final engagement badly. You could see how powerful good blinding clouds were in the earlier fights where it looked like he was about to die but turned it around.


They surelly will not be "winfestors" as in WoL, but still the "root"effect imo could be very important vs infantry. We gotta see how hots meta develops.
Chicken gank op
Coletrain_
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada15 Posts
December 17 2012 02:13 GMT
#324
Wow... I just watched Bio vs Roach-Hydra in SC2, awesome.
"Any else notice Swarmhosts actually make Zerg feel less Swarmy?"
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9224 Posts
December 17 2012 02:14 GMT
#325
Never had a better insomnia timing!
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
December 17 2012 02:14 GMT
#326
On December 17 2012 11:11 Badfatpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote:
I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods.

Widow Mine on the other hand seems really good and interesting for TvZ.


Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why.

Ya you re right, with infestors balanced in hots, viper should be the caster of choice vs mech.
Chicken gank op
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
December 17 2012 02:16 GMT
#327
On December 17 2012 11:14 Belha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 11:11 Badfatpanda wrote:
On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote:
I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods.

Widow Mine on the other hand seems really good and interesting for TvZ.


Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why.

Ya you re right, with infestors balanced in hots, viper should be the caster of choice vs mech.


swarm hosts aren't too bad either. Honestly I don't get it, it seems like some where along the "fix mech tvp" line they killed mech in tvz. Or considerably weakened it.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
December 17 2012 02:16 GMT
#328
On December 17 2012 11:12 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 11:09 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I understand that pros are really interested in the new units/upgrades, but wouldn't Infestor/Ling/Bane into Ultras or BLs fare better than Roach/Hydra/Viper? Caduceus Reactor as I understand makes Fungal a lot weaker, but the trapping is what I think is more important, then the Banes can crash into the Bio.


I play Protoss and so I'm not very familiar with HotS TvZ but from what I've heard the Hydra/Viper combo is a very powerful composition against mech but doesn't fare so well against Bio. The Hydras are not particularly cost efficient when the new Medivac upgrade comes into play and it looked pretty easy for the Terran to dodge the Blinding Cloud. I think more use of Abduct to snipe off Medivacs would have worked out better.


Roach/Hydra/Viper is the new mid-late game composition against Mech from what I've seen so far. But the advantages don't carry so well against Bio, seeing as it lacks splash damage, efficiency and speed (to an extent).
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
December 17 2012 02:19 GMT
#329
phew thank God TB and Husky heard us....the health bar is back to normal!
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 17 2012 02:20 GMT
#330
Thanks for changing the healthbars back, TB!
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
December 17 2012 02:21 GMT
#331
Nice impromptu wall-off.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
December 17 2012 02:21 GMT
#332
That was some WC3 micro with the Widow Mines. :p
Rampager
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia1007 Posts
December 17 2012 02:21 GMT
#333
Awww Ryung, you're winning my heart.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 17 2012 02:21 GMT
#334
On December 17 2012 11:16 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 11:14 Belha wrote:
On December 17 2012 11:11 Badfatpanda wrote:
On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote:
I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods.

Widow Mine on the other hand seems really good and interesting for TvZ.


Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why.

Ya you re right, with infestors balanced in hots, viper should be the caster of choice vs mech.


swarm hosts aren't too bad either. Honestly I don't get it, it seems like some where along the "fix mech tvp" line they killed mech in tvz. Or considerably weakened it.


The mech argument is one that I'll never understand. If a Protoss player said "I want to win games making only Robotics units because I don't like making Zealots or Stalkers at all", people would not take it seriously.

Tanks are awesome, Hellions are awesome, Thors are awesome and all these units are viable. What's the problem?
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
December 17 2012 02:22 GMT
#335
Watching HotS, I notice a lot more action from Terran in the early to mid-game because the new units allow aggression without a huge investment.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
December 17 2012 02:24 GMT
#336
Crank is so dead.

Widow mines best T addition in hots?
Chicken gank op
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
December 17 2012 02:25 GMT
#337
On December 17 2012 11:21 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 11:16 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On December 17 2012 11:14 Belha wrote:
On December 17 2012 11:11 Badfatpanda wrote:
On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote:
I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods.

Widow Mine on the other hand seems really good and interesting for TvZ.


Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why.

Ya you re right, with infestors balanced in hots, viper should be the caster of choice vs mech.


swarm hosts aren't too bad either. Honestly I don't get it, it seems like some where along the "fix mech tvp" line they killed mech in tvz. Or considerably weakened it.


The mech argument is one that I'll never understand. If a Protoss player said "I want to win games making only Robotics units because I don't like making Zealots or Stalkers at all", people would not take it seriously.

Tanks are awesome, Hellions are awesome, Thors are awesome and all these units are viable. What's the problem?


The most iconic unit in SC for Terran was the siege tank and positional play resulting from it. As a spectator and player I miss it in TvP as the immortal renders every mech unit aside from hellions impotent. It's mech. Not only robo units.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
mannerless
Profile Joined May 2010
Brazil86 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 02:28:08
December 17 2012 02:26 GMT
#338
Wow, can Husky be any MORE impartial? Wow, stop whining about Terran already, jesus, I guess this is what happens when you have copper league casters

User was temp banned for this post.
lurking the forums since 2003
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 02:28:41
December 17 2012 02:28 GMT
#339
On December 17 2012 11:24 Belha wrote:
Crank is so dead.

Widow mines best T addition in hots?

Everyone thought widow mines were sucky until the koreans showed us how to use them, lol.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 17 2012 02:28 GMT
#340
On December 17 2012 11:25 Badfatpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 11:21 sitromit wrote:
On December 17 2012 11:16 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On December 17 2012 11:14 Belha wrote:
On December 17 2012 11:11 Badfatpanda wrote:
On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote:
I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods.

Widow Mine on the other hand seems really good and interesting for TvZ.


Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why.

Ya you re right, with infestors balanced in hots, viper should be the caster of choice vs mech.


swarm hosts aren't too bad either. Honestly I don't get it, it seems like some where along the "fix mech tvp" line they killed mech in tvz. Or considerably weakened it.


The mech argument is one that I'll never understand. If a Protoss player said "I want to win games making only Robotics units because I don't like making Zealots or Stalkers at all", people would not take it seriously.

Tanks are awesome, Hellions are awesome, Thors are awesome and all these units are viable. What's the problem?


The most iconic unit in SC for Terran was the siege tank and positional play resulting from it. As a spectator and player I miss it in TvP as the immortal renders every mech unit aside from hellions impotent. It's mech. Not only robo units.


Then the problem is the Immortal not Terran mech. Unfortunately I don't see Blizzard ever changing it.
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