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On December 01 2012 18:11 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 17:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 17:34 nuogaiyen wrote:
Man I'm sick to my stomach, all the great terrans have fallen, at the pro level terrans are having a frustrating time against zerg, LGIMMVP, LiquidTaeja, Ax. Ryung, STBomber, all being knocked out by a zerg, it's one thing to say they've played a bad game, anyone else see a continuing pattern? I can't sleep! I have to rant. Im a big sc2 fan and it sucks to see LoL get masses of viewers while SC2 is bleeding to death. It's pretty obvious there is a problem because Blizzard has started to recognize the use of infestors. If there was not would you think Blizzard just Is randomly testing the potential nerf of the infestor? Don't lose hope TvZ fans there shall be redemption. P.S. I hate to see Taeja who has a 80% win against Zerg lose 0-4 to life.
Support the Ryung movement!! Taeja played trash against Life. I don't think it's an issue of balance there at all, as I think Taeja's issue are condition-based, due to his wrist. It's not as bad as with MVP thank god. People also forget that MVP was at one point the best marine-tank/multitasking player in the world. He started playing other styles, but not because he thinks they are better, but because he doesn't have the wrists to play his old, optimal way. I still consider Taeja, when 100% in shape as a player who could win series vs any Zergs, even Life. Damn that time was great. Just thinking of the old TvZs where Mvp and MMA completely murdered everyone with their insane multitasking gives me chills. So sad how far this matchup has fallen and that Blizzard isn't doing anything about it. If they could fix it and bring back the old multitask-TvZ, SC2 would gain so much. PvZ would still be shit, but all other matchups would have the potential to produce great games, even TvP and ZvZ. Edit: I don't want to balance whine, but I do think there are major design flaws and those have to be fixed.
I know it sounds kind of obvious, but the problem with vZ matches is actually because of Z design, or at least primarily. I believe that people, for whatever reason think PvZ is bad because of the Protoss race, whereas I really do feel it's due to Z. I mean, PvT is a hard, hard matchup to play for T, but at the top level it's a much better/balanced matchup than it's given credit for. A ton of the PvT I've watched at this season has been really, really good for the spectator.
When people hadn't figured out how to deal with Protoss compositions and deathballs in vT and vZ, yes Protoss design flaws were being exposed, and Protoss WAS a problem in terms of how it interacted with the other races.
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On December 01 2012 18:11 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 17:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 17:34 nuogaiyen wrote:
Man I'm sick to my stomach, all the great terrans have fallen, at the pro level terrans are having a frustrating time against zerg, LGIMMVP, LiquidTaeja, Ax. Ryung, STBomber, all being knocked out by a zerg, it's one thing to say they've played a bad game, anyone else see a continuing pattern? I can't sleep! I have to rant. Im a big sc2 fan and it sucks to see LoL get masses of viewers while SC2 is bleeding to death. It's pretty obvious there is a problem because Blizzard has started to recognize the use of infestors. If there was not would you think Blizzard just Is randomly testing the potential nerf of the infestor? Don't lose hope TvZ fans there shall be redemption. P.S. I hate to see Taeja who has a 80% win against Zerg lose 0-4 to life.
Support the Ryung movement!! Taeja played trash against Life. I don't think it's an issue of balance there at all, as I think Taeja's issue are condition-based, due to his wrist. It's not as bad as with MVP thank god. People also forget that MVP was at one point the best marine-tank/multitasking player in the world. He started playing other styles, but not because he thinks they are better, but because he doesn't have the wrists to play his old, optimal way. I still consider Taeja, when 100% in shape as a player who could win series vs any Zergs, even Life. Damn that time was great. Just thinking of the old TvZs where Mvp and MMA completely murdered everyone with their insane multitasking gives me chills. So sad how far this matchup has fallen and that Blizzard isn't doing anything about it. If they could fix it and bring back the old multitask-TvZ, SC2 would gain so much. PvZ would still be shit, but all other matchups would have the potential to produce great games, even TvP and ZvZ. Edit: I don't want to balance whine, but I do think there are major design flaws and those have to be fixed.
The current state of match up has nothing to do with how great MVP or MMA were last year. Even the balance is the same as last year, they would still not perform as great because their problems are not really related to balance. MMA lost coach Ryu Won, so his performance plummet, while MVP's injury got worse and he haven't performed really well (to his last year standard) since the beginning of the year.
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On December 01 2012 18:47 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 18:11 ES.Genie wrote:On December 01 2012 17:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 17:34 nuogaiyen wrote:
Man I'm sick to my stomach, all the great terrans have fallen, at the pro level terrans are having a frustrating time against zerg, LGIMMVP, LiquidTaeja, Ax. Ryung, STBomber, all being knocked out by a zerg, it's one thing to say they've played a bad game, anyone else see a continuing pattern? I can't sleep! I have to rant. Im a big sc2 fan and it sucks to see LoL get masses of viewers while SC2 is bleeding to death. It's pretty obvious there is a problem because Blizzard has started to recognize the use of infestors. If there was not would you think Blizzard just Is randomly testing the potential nerf of the infestor? Don't lose hope TvZ fans there shall be redemption. P.S. I hate to see Taeja who has a 80% win against Zerg lose 0-4 to life.
Support the Ryung movement!! Taeja played trash against Life. I don't think it's an issue of balance there at all, as I think Taeja's issue are condition-based, due to his wrist. It's not as bad as with MVP thank god. People also forget that MVP was at one point the best marine-tank/multitasking player in the world. He started playing other styles, but not because he thinks they are better, but because he doesn't have the wrists to play his old, optimal way. I still consider Taeja, when 100% in shape as a player who could win series vs any Zergs, even Life. Damn that time was great. Just thinking of the old TvZs where Mvp and MMA completely murdered everyone with their insane multitasking gives me chills. So sad how far this matchup has fallen and that Blizzard isn't doing anything about it. If they could fix it and bring back the old multitask-TvZ, SC2 would gain so much. PvZ would still be shit, but all other matchups would have the potential to produce great games, even TvP and ZvZ. Edit: I don't want to balance whine, but I do think there are major design flaws and those have to be fixed. The current state of match up has nothing to do with how great MVP or MMA were last year. Even the balance is the same as last year, they would still not perform as great because their problems are not really related to balance. MMA lost coach Ryu Won, so his performance plummet, while MVP's injury got worse and he haven't performed really well (to his last year standard) since the beginning of the year.
Yeah, agreed, that said the new generation of Terrans don't really play like that either. Closest stylistically to a peak MMA I can think of recently were Ryung's games this season on Whirlwind.
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Wow, so sad, I wake up to find that both terrans got killed thus we have another ZvZ final. I'll try to catch the final because I'm a fan of Sniper, but I definitely won't be sorry if I miss it, also I might watch the VoDs for the semies but given the current level of negativism and the state of the MU lately, I'm not sure if I want to any more.
I hope nothing bad happens to Ryung, it must be hard getting so close to the peak and not be able to reach it.
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On December 01 2012 18:20 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 18:11 ES.Genie wrote:On December 01 2012 17:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 17:34 nuogaiyen wrote:
Man I'm sick to my stomach, all the great terrans have fallen, at the pro level terrans are having a frustrating time against zerg, LGIMMVP, LiquidTaeja, Ax. Ryung, STBomber, all being knocked out by a zerg, it's one thing to say they've played a bad game, anyone else see a continuing pattern? I can't sleep! I have to rant. Im a big sc2 fan and it sucks to see LoL get masses of viewers while SC2 is bleeding to death. It's pretty obvious there is a problem because Blizzard has started to recognize the use of infestors. If there was not would you think Blizzard just Is randomly testing the potential nerf of the infestor? Don't lose hope TvZ fans there shall be redemption. P.S. I hate to see Taeja who has a 80% win against Zerg lose 0-4 to life.
Support the Ryung movement!! Taeja played trash against Life. I don't think it's an issue of balance there at all, as I think Taeja's issue are condition-based, due to his wrist. It's not as bad as with MVP thank god. People also forget that MVP was at one point the best marine-tank/multitasking player in the world. He started playing other styles, but not because he thinks they are better, but because he doesn't have the wrists to play his old, optimal way. I still consider Taeja, when 100% in shape as a player who could win series vs any Zergs, even Life. Damn that time was great. Just thinking of the old TvZs where Mvp and MMA completely murdered everyone with their insane multitasking gives me chills. So sad how far this matchup has fallen and that Blizzard isn't doing anything about it. If they could fix it and bring back the old multitask-TvZ, SC2 would gain so much. PvZ would still be shit, but all other matchups would have the potential to produce great games, even TvP and ZvZ. Edit: I don't want to balance whine, but I do think there are major design flaws and those have to be fixed. I know it sounds kind of obvious, but the problem with vZ matches is actually because of Z design, or at least primarily. I believe that people, for whatever reason think PvZ is bad because of the Protoss race, whereas I really do feel it's due to Z. I mean, PvT is a hard, hard matchup to play for T, but at the top level it's a much better/balanced matchup than it's given credit for. A ton of the PvT I've watched at this season has been really, really good for the spectator. When people hadn't figured out how to deal with Protoss compositions and deathballs in vT and vZ, yes Protoss design flaws were being exposed, and Protoss WAS a problem in terms of how it interacted with the other races.
I'd have thought most think it's due to zerg. I mean if the protoss does an immortal sentry allin that's as boring as hell, but if it gets to the12343123 spine crawler 123123123 infestor/brood lord stage, then there's nothing in the game more boring than that. Both races are not ideally designed imo!
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On December 01 2012 18:12 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 18:08 Rui.S wrote:On December 01 2012 17:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 17:34 nuogaiyen wrote:
Man I'm sick to my stomach, all the great terrans have fallen, at the pro level terrans are having a frustrating time against zerg, LGIMMVP, LiquidTaeja, Ax. Ryung, STBomber, all being knocked out by a zerg, it's one thing to say they've played a bad game, anyone else see a continuing pattern? I can't sleep! I have to rant. Im a big sc2 fan and it sucks to see LoL get masses of viewers while SC2 is bleeding to death. It's pretty obvious there is a problem because Blizzard has started to recognize the use of infestors. If there was not would you think Blizzard just Is randomly testing the potential nerf of the infestor? Don't lose hope TvZ fans there shall be redemption. P.S. I hate to see Taeja who has a 80% win against Zerg lose 0-4 to life.
Support the Ryung movement!! Taeja played trash against Life. I don't think it's an issue of balance there at all, as I think Taeja's issue are condition-based, due to his wrist. It's not as bad as with MVP thank god. People also forget that MVP was at one point the best marine-tank/multitasking player in the world. He started playing other styles, but not because he thinks they are better, but because he doesn't have the wrists to play his old, optimal way. I still consider Taeja, when 100% in shape as a player who could win series vs any Zergs, even Life. life is like 7-0 vs taeja in the last 2 months lol How much of that period consists of the time Taeja was at his absolute peak? Life's gotten better too, but before that 7-0 Taeja was absolutely miles ahead in head-to-head
they've never played each other at absolute peak, the closes to their absolute peaks on both sides would be GSL RO4
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On December 01 2012 20:25 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 18:20 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 18:11 ES.Genie wrote:On December 01 2012 17:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 17:34 nuogaiyen wrote:
Man I'm sick to my stomach, all the great terrans have fallen, at the pro level terrans are having a frustrating time against zerg, LGIMMVP, LiquidTaeja, Ax. Ryung, STBomber, all being knocked out by a zerg, it's one thing to say they've played a bad game, anyone else see a continuing pattern? I can't sleep! I have to rant. Im a big sc2 fan and it sucks to see LoL get masses of viewers while SC2 is bleeding to death. It's pretty obvious there is a problem because Blizzard has started to recognize the use of infestors. If there was not would you think Blizzard just Is randomly testing the potential nerf of the infestor? Don't lose hope TvZ fans there shall be redemption. P.S. I hate to see Taeja who has a 80% win against Zerg lose 0-4 to life.
Support the Ryung movement!! Taeja played trash against Life. I don't think it's an issue of balance there at all, as I think Taeja's issue are condition-based, due to his wrist. It's not as bad as with MVP thank god. People also forget that MVP was at one point the best marine-tank/multitasking player in the world. He started playing other styles, but not because he thinks they are better, but because he doesn't have the wrists to play his old, optimal way. I still consider Taeja, when 100% in shape as a player who could win series vs any Zergs, even Life. Damn that time was great. Just thinking of the old TvZs where Mvp and MMA completely murdered everyone with their insane multitasking gives me chills. So sad how far this matchup has fallen and that Blizzard isn't doing anything about it. If they could fix it and bring back the old multitask-TvZ, SC2 would gain so much. PvZ would still be shit, but all other matchups would have the potential to produce great games, even TvP and ZvZ. Edit: I don't want to balance whine, but I do think there are major design flaws and those have to be fixed. I know it sounds kind of obvious, but the problem with vZ matches is actually because of Z design, or at least primarily. I believe that people, for whatever reason think PvZ is bad because of the Protoss race, whereas I really do feel it's due to Z. I mean, PvT is a hard, hard matchup to play for T, but at the top level it's a much better/balanced matchup than it's given credit for. A ton of the PvT I've watched at this season has been really, really good for the spectator. When people hadn't figured out how to deal with Protoss compositions and deathballs in vT and vZ, yes Protoss design flaws were being exposed, and Protoss WAS a problem in terms of how it interacted with the other races. I'd have thought most think it's due to zerg. I mean if the protoss does an immortal sentry allin that's as boring as hell, but if it gets to the12343123 spine crawler 123123123 infestor/brood lord stage, then there's nothing in the game more boring than that. Both races are not ideally designed imo!
Everything that Protoss aim to do in that match is constrained because of how Zerg work. Warpgate and things like forcefield are things that are flawed design wise, but aren't the reason PvZ is currently bad. I think it's a combination of Zerg's production/injects, and their lategame comp being insanely strong that makes the match bad, currently. There's also the requirement to make sentries so that you don't die, which also makes things like light, non-committal pressure far too risky for Protoss. Some of these issues are being addressed in HoTS, some aren't.
Protoss has problems too, such as mass warpgate warpins of Zealots against Terran. These problems aren't really applicable to PvZ though.
@opterown, yeah you're right in that, I think that's fair. We can but hope for a peak Taeja vs peak Life match sometime in the future, think it'd be amazing.
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anyway, ro4 curse for ryung and bogus, less terrans in code s haha
ryung's run reminds me of byun's in that he overperformed quite a bit and got lucky on his way here, both falling 3-2 in the ro4
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On December 01 2012 18:12 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 18:08 Rui.S wrote:On December 01 2012 17:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 17:34 nuogaiyen wrote:
Man I'm sick to my stomach, all the great terrans have fallen, at the pro level terrans are having a frustrating time against zerg, LGIMMVP, LiquidTaeja, Ax. Ryung, STBomber, all being knocked out by a zerg, it's one thing to say they've played a bad game, anyone else see a continuing pattern? I can't sleep! I have to rant. Im a big sc2 fan and it sucks to see LoL get masses of viewers while SC2 is bleeding to death. It's pretty obvious there is a problem because Blizzard has started to recognize the use of infestors. If there was not would you think Blizzard just Is randomly testing the potential nerf of the infestor? Don't lose hope TvZ fans there shall be redemption. P.S. I hate to see Taeja who has a 80% win against Zerg lose 0-4 to life.
Support the Ryung movement!! Taeja played trash against Life. I don't think it's an issue of balance there at all, as I think Taeja's issue are condition-based, due to his wrist. It's not as bad as with MVP thank god. People also forget that MVP was at one point the best marine-tank/multitasking player in the world. He started playing other styles, but not because he thinks they are better, but because he doesn't have the wrists to play his old, optimal way. I still consider Taeja, when 100% in shape as a player who could win series vs any Zergs, even Life. life is like 7-0 vs taeja in the last 2 months lol How much of that period consists of the time Taeja was at his absolute peak? Life's gotten better too, but before that 7-0 Taeja was absolutely miles ahead in head-to-head
Are you kidding? Taking fanboyism to the NEXT level? Taeja was at his ABSOLUTE peak every time he faced Life. Even in the GSL Semi-finals.
Life absolutely mutalated him EVERY...SINGLE...GAME...! Not a single one was even close, Taeja is just simply much worse Zerg imbalance or not.
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On December 01 2012 20:54 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 18:12 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 18:08 Rui.S wrote:On December 01 2012 17:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 17:34 nuogaiyen wrote:
Man I'm sick to my stomach, all the great terrans have fallen, at the pro level terrans are having a frustrating time against zerg, LGIMMVP, LiquidTaeja, Ax. Ryung, STBomber, all being knocked out by a zerg, it's one thing to say they've played a bad game, anyone else see a continuing pattern? I can't sleep! I have to rant. Im a big sc2 fan and it sucks to see LoL get masses of viewers while SC2 is bleeding to death. It's pretty obvious there is a problem because Blizzard has started to recognize the use of infestors. If there was not would you think Blizzard just Is randomly testing the potential nerf of the infestor? Don't lose hope TvZ fans there shall be redemption. P.S. I hate to see Taeja who has a 80% win against Zerg lose 0-4 to life.
Support the Ryung movement!! Taeja played trash against Life. I don't think it's an issue of balance there at all, as I think Taeja's issue are condition-based, due to his wrist. It's not as bad as with MVP thank god. People also forget that MVP was at one point the best marine-tank/multitasking player in the world. He started playing other styles, but not because he thinks they are better, but because he doesn't have the wrists to play his old, optimal way. I still consider Taeja, when 100% in shape as a player who could win series vs any Zergs, even Life. life is like 7-0 vs taeja in the last 2 months lol How much of that period consists of the time Taeja was at his absolute peak? Life's gotten better too, but before that 7-0 Taeja was absolutely miles ahead in head-to-head Are you kidding? Taking fanboyism to the NEXT level? Taeja was at his ABSOLUTE peak every time he faced Life. Even in the GSL Semi-finals.
i don't think he was at his absolute peak, but he sure wasn't slumping. probably firing on almost all cylinders, but without the clutch factor
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On December 01 2012 20:42 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 20:25 AxionSteel wrote:On December 01 2012 18:20 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 18:11 ES.Genie wrote:On December 01 2012 17:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 17:34 nuogaiyen wrote:
Man I'm sick to my stomach, all the great terrans have fallen, at the pro level terrans are having a frustrating time against zerg, LGIMMVP, LiquidTaeja, Ax. Ryung, STBomber, all being knocked out by a zerg, it's one thing to say they've played a bad game, anyone else see a continuing pattern? I can't sleep! I have to rant. Im a big sc2 fan and it sucks to see LoL get masses of viewers while SC2 is bleeding to death. It's pretty obvious there is a problem because Blizzard has started to recognize the use of infestors. If there was not would you think Blizzard just Is randomly testing the potential nerf of the infestor? Don't lose hope TvZ fans there shall be redemption. P.S. I hate to see Taeja who has a 80% win against Zerg lose 0-4 to life.
Support the Ryung movement!! Taeja played trash against Life. I don't think it's an issue of balance there at all, as I think Taeja's issue are condition-based, due to his wrist. It's not as bad as with MVP thank god. People also forget that MVP was at one point the best marine-tank/multitasking player in the world. He started playing other styles, but not because he thinks they are better, but because he doesn't have the wrists to play his old, optimal way. I still consider Taeja, when 100% in shape as a player who could win series vs any Zergs, even Life. Damn that time was great. Just thinking of the old TvZs where Mvp and MMA completely murdered everyone with their insane multitasking gives me chills. So sad how far this matchup has fallen and that Blizzard isn't doing anything about it. If they could fix it and bring back the old multitask-TvZ, SC2 would gain so much. PvZ would still be shit, but all other matchups would have the potential to produce great games, even TvP and ZvZ. Edit: I don't want to balance whine, but I do think there are major design flaws and those have to be fixed. I know it sounds kind of obvious, but the problem with vZ matches is actually because of Z design, or at least primarily. I believe that people, for whatever reason think PvZ is bad because of the Protoss race, whereas I really do feel it's due to Z. I mean, PvT is a hard, hard matchup to play for T, but at the top level it's a much better/balanced matchup than it's given credit for. A ton of the PvT I've watched at this season has been really, really good for the spectator. When people hadn't figured out how to deal with Protoss compositions and deathballs in vT and vZ, yes Protoss design flaws were being exposed, and Protoss WAS a problem in terms of how it interacted with the other races. I'd have thought most think it's due to zerg. I mean if the protoss does an immortal sentry allin that's as boring as hell, but if it gets to the12343123 spine crawler 123123123 infestor/brood lord stage, then there's nothing in the game more boring than that. Both races are not ideally designed imo! Everything that Protoss aim to do in that match is constrained because of how Zerg work. Warpgate and things like forcefield are things that are flawed design wise, but aren't the reason PvZ is currently bad. I think it's a combination of Zerg's production/injects, and their lategame comp being insanely strong that makes the match bad, currently. There's also the requirement to make sentries so that you don't die, which also makes things like light, non-committal pressure far too risky for Protoss. Some of these issues are being addressed in HoTS, some aren't. Protoss has problems too, such as mass warpgate warpins of Zealots against Terran. These problems aren't really applicable to PvZ though. @opterown, yeah you're right in that, I think that's fair. We can but hope for a peak Taeja vs peak Life match sometime in the future, think it'd be amazing.
I just mean in general, like a lot of protoss attacks are pretty allinish like you said, if protoss attacks, it's generally allin. you can't do harass or light pressure etc. in the late game they are fun, especially vs zerg with warp prism harass, pity it's not that effective. but yes zerg is a more boring race allround as they play the same in both zvp and zvt for the most part, although i heard mutas and stuff were used today. Zerg doesn't interest me at all, so i didnt bother watching todays games.
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On December 01 2012 20:54 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 18:12 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 18:08 Rui.S wrote:On December 01 2012 17:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 17:34 nuogaiyen wrote:
Man I'm sick to my stomach, all the great terrans have fallen, at the pro level terrans are having a frustrating time against zerg, LGIMMVP, LiquidTaeja, Ax. Ryung, STBomber, all being knocked out by a zerg, it's one thing to say they've played a bad game, anyone else see a continuing pattern? I can't sleep! I have to rant. Im a big sc2 fan and it sucks to see LoL get masses of viewers while SC2 is bleeding to death. It's pretty obvious there is a problem because Blizzard has started to recognize the use of infestors. If there was not would you think Blizzard just Is randomly testing the potential nerf of the infestor? Don't lose hope TvZ fans there shall be redemption. P.S. I hate to see Taeja who has a 80% win against Zerg lose 0-4 to life.
Support the Ryung movement!! Taeja played trash against Life. I don't think it's an issue of balance there at all, as I think Taeja's issue are condition-based, due to his wrist. It's not as bad as with MVP thank god. People also forget that MVP was at one point the best marine-tank/multitasking player in the world. He started playing other styles, but not because he thinks they are better, but because he doesn't have the wrists to play his old, optimal way. I still consider Taeja, when 100% in shape as a player who could win series vs any Zergs, even Life. life is like 7-0 vs taeja in the last 2 months lol How much of that period consists of the time Taeja was at his absolute peak? Life's gotten better too, but before that 7-0 Taeja was absolutely miles ahead in head-to-head Are you kidding? Taking fanboyism to the NEXT level? Taeja was at his ABSOLUTE peak every time he faced Life. Even in the GSL Semi-finals. Life absolutely mutalated him EVERY...SINGLE...GAME...! Not a single one was even close, Taeja is just simply much worse Zerg imbalance or not.
If you're going to call me a fanboy, at least call me a HerO fanboy because that's true.
Taeja got raped, because he played trash. Life is a great player, one of, if not my absolute favourite Zergs. Their matches thus far just haven't occurred when they've both been on their A-game. I don't think it's being disrespectful to Life because he also played very well, and would have beaten most Terran players operating at their highest level.
MMA vs DRG at Blizzcup is an example of two top level players meeting at the peak of their powers. Regardless of who you were rooting for, you didn't get the sense that your boy didn't bring his chops to the table.
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On December 01 2012 21:02 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 20:54 Figgy wrote:On December 01 2012 18:12 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 18:08 Rui.S wrote:On December 01 2012 17:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 01 2012 17:34 nuogaiyen wrote:
Man I'm sick to my stomach, all the great terrans have fallen, at the pro level terrans are having a frustrating time against zerg, LGIMMVP, LiquidTaeja, Ax. Ryung, STBomber, all being knocked out by a zerg, it's one thing to say they've played a bad game, anyone else see a continuing pattern? I can't sleep! I have to rant. Im a big sc2 fan and it sucks to see LoL get masses of viewers while SC2 is bleeding to death. It's pretty obvious there is a problem because Blizzard has started to recognize the use of infestors. If there was not would you think Blizzard just Is randomly testing the potential nerf of the infestor? Don't lose hope TvZ fans there shall be redemption. P.S. I hate to see Taeja who has a 80% win against Zerg lose 0-4 to life.
Support the Ryung movement!! Taeja played trash against Life. I don't think it's an issue of balance there at all, as I think Taeja's issue are condition-based, due to his wrist. It's not as bad as with MVP thank god. People also forget that MVP was at one point the best marine-tank/multitasking player in the world. He started playing other styles, but not because he thinks they are better, but because he doesn't have the wrists to play his old, optimal way. I still consider Taeja, when 100% in shape as a player who could win series vs any Zergs, even Life. life is like 7-0 vs taeja in the last 2 months lol How much of that period consists of the time Taeja was at his absolute peak? Life's gotten better too, but before that 7-0 Taeja was absolutely miles ahead in head-to-head Are you kidding? Taking fanboyism to the NEXT level? Taeja was at his ABSOLUTE peak every time he faced Life. Even in the GSL Semi-finals. Life absolutely mutalated him EVERY...SINGLE...GAME...! Not a single one was even close, Taeja is just simply much worse Zerg imbalance or not. If you're going to call me a fanboy, at least call me a HerO fanboy because that's true. Taeja got raped, because he played trash. Life is a great player, one of, if not my absolute favourite Zergs. Their matches thus far just haven't occurred when they've both been on their A-game. I don't think it's being disrespectful to Life because he also played very well, and would have beaten most Terran players operating at their highest level. MMA vs DRG at Blizzcup is an example of two top level players meeting at the peak of their powers. Regardless of who you were rooting for, you didn't get the sense that your boy didn't bring his chops to the table.
But except for that one Depot lowering instance, he never played "bad" the whole time. Life just stomped on his face and took no prisoners, same as he did with every Terran for the last 2 months not named IMMvP. Taeja played as he always does vs every other Zerg, and payed for it dearly.
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opterown
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On December 01 2012 21:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
MMA vs DRG at Blizzcup is an example of two top level players meeting at the peak of their powers. Regardless of who you were rooting for, you didn't get the sense that your boy didn't bring his chops to the table.
they both played kinda meh except for the last game haha
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Northern Ireland23696 Posts
On December 01 2012 21:13 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 21:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
MMA vs DRG at Blizzcup is an example of two top level players meeting at the peak of their powers. Regardless of who you were rooting for, you didn't get the sense that your boy didn't bring his chops to the table. they both played kinda meh except for the last game haha
Hm, good thing my friend just decided to let me log on his GOM acc, which has all every single GOM-streamed tourney VoDs accessible.
You might be right, perhaps game 7 was just so good that it is influencing my views on the rest of the series. Going to actually re-watch and see.
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What can I say, Ryung said it best in the end of Game 5 
The changes tested on the antiga balance map can't come early enough.
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