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On November 30 2012 07:04 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:02 neptunusfisk wrote:On November 30 2012 07:00 Xcobidoo wrote:
Time to retire this map for PvZ.... Time to retire PvZ... People who don't like PvZ now obviously have never watched a year and a half of roach hydra corruptor armies a moving into collusus deathballs.
PvZ was really good around the time HerO starting coming up and harassed everywhere with warp prisms before Zerg just built infestors and brood lords with mass spines everywhere.
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On November 30 2012 07:05 freetgy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:02 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano tried his best against this build. He did try to bait forcefields during all the way from HerO's base to his base. He tried to flank the sentries/immo the whole time with 2 groups of Zerglings, but it wasn't enough.
Serious question here (no balance), how do you stop this ? he probably should have forced the engagement instead of backing of with the lings like 3-4 times, just showed that HerO was one step ahead and didn't waste a single forcefield, because he understood what Stephano tried to do.
In the end though, it's mostly up the the protoss, which is the reason so many fans and players hate this build. If the FFs are immaculate, zerg is basically fucked.
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On November 30 2012 07:05 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:03 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
scarlett is the only foreigner who advanced to r3 Scarlett is the only one in R3 who hasn't played a Korean yet.
shhh don't tell :
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On November 30 2012 07:06 NeonFox wrote:
Last time Nerchio and Naniwa met it was very, very ugly for Naniwa. Let's see how it goes without server lag (claimed by Naniwa to be the reason he lost).
lets hope nobody touches him 
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On November 30 2012 07:04 ParadoxFox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:01 Gescom wrote:On November 30 2012 07:00 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Hm dunno what Stephano could do differently. This sux as much as infestors. He engaged over and over wasting small groups of 6-8 lings and eventually boxed himself into a corner. It was really bad. You cannot beat that build without a proper engage w/ a flank. Well you also need time/reduce sentry energy. It is not like their is an easy solution to that attack.
You cannot forcefield in full 360 multiple times. That map is so big, and with knowledge of the pushout from the get-go and control of all the towers it should have been easily stopped. Stephano tried baiting Hero all the way across the map and lost like 2k mins worth of lings.
You can literally just a-move the protoss army from a 360 arc w/ 70 1-1 lings and crush the protoss outright. It's been done before.
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On November 30 2012 07:02 Demonaz wrote:
oooo nice game next Nerchio - Naniwa. Who is this Scarlett I keep hearing about? I didn't follow sc2 for a little while
Up and coming zerg who will be the best foreigner eventually. She has played in 6 LANs and never lost to a foreigner. Beat players like Hero, Bomber, Nerchio and has made more than 35k so far.
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On November 30 2012 07:03 ChApFoU wrote:
Honestly, as an average casual player, I would say immortal sentry push looks more imbalanced than brood/infest.
Can you really go for fast double expo against that if P makes no mistakes ? Cause Steph knew it was coming, didn't make any big mistakes, tried to delay, tried to flank and got rolled over :/
The MU is kinda fucked up:
*the protoss 2 base immortal/sentrie/stalkers.
*The zerg 2-3 base mass roach to 200 withinn 14 minutes.
*The collosus/Sentrie/stalker deathball before zerg reaches tier 3.
The broodwar mass infestor deathball.
If the zerg or protoss reaches any of the above points they most likely will win. And It's fucking boring to watch to be perfectly honest.
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On November 30 2012 07:07 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:05 Azarkon wrote:On November 30 2012 07:03 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
scarlett is the only foreigner who advanced to r3 Scarlett is the only one in R3 who hasn't played a Korean yet. shhh don't tell :
Maybe Scarlett is actually Korean and we just don't know it yet
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On November 30 2012 07:05 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:03 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
scarlett is the only foreigner who advanced to r3 Scarlett is the only one in R3 who hasn't played a Korean yet.
Hero, Violet and Life.
I know what you mean but you don't write what you mean.
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On November 30 2012 07:02 Dodgin wrote:
You guys really shouldn't complain about Stephano losing, he openly admits he barely practices at all.
If you follow his accounts you can see he has barely played at all outside of tournaments in November.
.... Maybe he is behind some of the barcodes? And the thing about him admiting not practicing is just stupid.
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On November 30 2012 07:07 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:06 Dodgin wrote:On November 30 2012 07:05 Skelith wrote:On November 30 2012 07:01 ChrisBrownPlaya wrote:
So zergs are mad because Protoss' don't go to late game and let the Zerg's win??
Protoss' only chance is this build right now. Lets get rid of immortals if zergs get rid of brood lords. deal I dont see how you can lose with it or atleast get a big advantage.. You should ask Suppy. There's also sniper, but no one remembers him.
Because we hate him.
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Suddenly all the zergs come out and cry when stephano loses 
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I hope someone makes a list of results from 1 to 72 for this heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh
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How do you switch streams on the IPL site... or do you have to go to twitch to see other streams?
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On November 30 2012 07:02 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano tried his best against this build. He did try to bait forcefields during all the way from HerO's base to his base. He tried to flank the sentries/immo the whole time with 2 groups of Zerglings, but it wasn't enough.
Serious question here (no balance), how do you stop this ?
You can't stop it in a straight up fight with a 3 hatch no gas opener, and if you open anything else P does not have to do the push and can be ahead. The only way to beat it is to baserace or hope for a mistake from the P (which suprisingly happends fairly often in progames, missing forcefields and letting roaches connect with sentries).
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On November 30 2012 07:06 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:03 ChApFoU wrote:
Honestly, as an average casual player, I would say immortal sentry push looks more imbalanced than brood/infest.
Can you really go for fast double expo against that if P makes no mistakes ? Cause Steph knew it was coming, didn't make any big mistakes, tried to delay, tried to flank and got rolled over :/ He made plenty of big mistakes, did you see how many lings he lost for absolutely nothing with random flank attempts? Like 3 forcefields total?
he was delaying the attack, and buying time to get more army out.
he wasnt donating lings.
doh.
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Hmm, all streams are lagging like hell for me. I think something is terribly wrong with my computer.
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On November 30 2012 07:06 Demonaz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:02 Dodgin wrote:
You guys really shouldn't complain about Stephano losing, he openly admits he barely practices at all.
If you follow his accounts you can see he has barely played at all outside of tournaments in November. If that's true, how does he get away with it being on EG?
Is this a trick question?
EG doesn't have mandatory practice hours, plus he's been flying around the world every weekend for the past month. Hard to train in those conditions, It's the same reason MC fell off last year when he chain attended foreign tournaments.
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On November 30 2012 07:02 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano tried his best against this build. He did try to bait forcefields during all the way from HerO's base to his base. He tried to flank the sentries/immo the whole time with 2 groups of Zerglings, but it wasn't enough.
Serious question here (no balance), how do you stop this ?
The best way to do it so far is by delaying that push with speedlings trying to bait FF out of your Protoss opponent, but if they are a good player like Hero that Protoss player will not waste FF so then you can try for a trade base while dropping spines in your base and going infestor or muta whatever you prefer. Honestly as a Random player this build is such BS
EDIT: BS is also BL/Infestor, but it is the only way to play right now David Kim are you really watching these tournaments, because it looks like the same movie just a different day.
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On November 30 2012 07:05 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:03 ChApFoU wrote:
Honestly, as an average casual player, I would say immortal sentry push looks more imbalanced than brood/infest.
Can you really go for fast double expo against that if P makes no mistakes ? Cause Steph knew it was coming, didn't make any big mistakes, tried to delay, tried to flank and got rolled over :/ We've seen immortal sentry crushed more than a few times. BL/infestor... absoutely epic harass and then some luck.
I think immortal sentry makes for way worse games though, every game is the same "are the forcefields good" and regardless if they are its not exciting.
Broodlord Infestor, as bad as people make it out to seem, is alot more exciting because it at least forces protoss to try to outmaneuever the army, and involves alot more different strategies/potential in the matchup, although its obviously fucked up right now.
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