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Canada16217 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:07 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:05 freetgy wrote:On November 30 2012 07:02 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano tried his best against this build. He did try to bait forcefields during all the way from HerO's base to his base. He tried to flank the sentries/immo the whole time with 2 groups of Zerglings, but it wasn't enough.
Serious question here (no balance), how do you stop this ? he probably should have forced the engagement instead of backing of with the lings like 3-4 times, just showed that HerO was one step ahead and didn't waste a single forcefield, because he understood what Stephano tried to do. In the end though, it's mostly up the the protoss, which is the reason so many fans and players hate this build. If the FFs are immaculate, zerg is basically fucked.
go watch MVPSniper hold this push in the GSL/GSTL he baits out Forcefields , it's possible to hold, you just need to be amazingly good.
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Australia54785 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:06 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:04 opterown wrote:
hey mods, i can no longer edit op, would appreciate help there How'd that happen?
as in i no longer have access to my pc lol gg
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On November 30 2012 07:07 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:07 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On November 30 2012 07:05 Azarkon wrote:On November 30 2012 07:03 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
scarlett is the only foreigner who advanced to r3 Scarlett is the only one in R3 who hasn't played a Korean yet. shhh don't tell : Maybe Scarlett is actually Korean and we just don't know it yet
Both Naniwa and Nerchio lost to foreigners, so its not like they got a tougher bracket.
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On November 30 2012 07:06 ChApFoU wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:03 Gescom wrote:On November 30 2012 07:02 Dissonance23 wrote:
Horrible play by Stephano G3, constantly floating 800+ minerals and giving up 40 lings for free. Could have dropped 3 spines at his third and just set lings in back for flank and held fine. Agree. Well I'm no expert but from what I've heard, you need to fight that strat on open space. I don't really see any way to properly flank if P is at your third and has mana for a billion FF.
Yup, roachling should never be able to beat it if the protoss is half competent with his FF. You have to do what Suppy did with his million spines and super early lair.
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United States7166 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:06 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:03 ChApFoU wrote:
Honestly, as an average casual player, I would say immortal sentry push looks more imbalanced than brood/infest.
Can you really go for fast double expo against that if P makes no mistakes ? Cause Steph knew it was coming, didn't make any big mistakes, tried to delay, tried to flank and got rolled over :/ He made plenty of big mistakes, did you see how many lings he lost for absolutely nothing with random flank attempts? Like 3 forcefields total?
with his opening you have no other hope to stop this build than to pray the protoss is dumb enough to waste force fields early, so you can flood mass lings without them having enough ff's. stephano knew he was screwed and really that was his only option.
late lair (gets super fast +1 +1 for lings, delays lair quite a lot) means: no roach speed in time, no infestors, no hydras, no cute nydus base trade, no muta turtle, etc. just screwed
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On November 30 2012 07:07 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:07 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On November 30 2012 07:05 Azarkon wrote:On November 30 2012 07:03 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
scarlett is the only foreigner who advanced to r3 Scarlett is the only one in R3 who hasn't played a Korean yet. shhh don't tell : Maybe Scarlett is actually Korean and we just don't know it yet
I got a joke under my sleeve, but it's worth 2 bans.
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Fast Lair for DRG at the moment at 2 bases, Byun is going cloaked Banshees.
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What the hell is up with these double elim brackets?
BBong beats Sea, loses in Round 2. Drops down to lower........to face Sea again.
Leiya defeats Nerchio, loses in Round 2. Drops down to lower.......to face Nerchio again.
Same situation with Huk & Hwangsin. Why???? :@
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On November 30 2012 07:04 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:02 neptunusfisk wrote:On November 30 2012 07:00 Xcobidoo wrote:
Time to retire this map for PvZ.... Time to retire PvZ... People who don't like PvZ now obviously have never watched a year and a half of roach hydra corruptor armies a moving into collusus deathballs.
Disliking PvZ in the past and disliking it now are by no means mutually exclusive. It's always been a bad matchup.
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On November 30 2012 07:07 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:07 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On November 30 2012 07:05 Azarkon wrote:On November 30 2012 07:03 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
scarlett is the only foreigner who advanced to r3 Scarlett is the only one in R3 who hasn't played a Korean yet. shhh don't tell : Maybe Scarlett is actually Korean and we just don't know it yet
I see what you did there.
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On November 30 2012 07:09 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:07 HaXXspetten wrote:On November 30 2012 07:07 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On November 30 2012 07:05 Azarkon wrote:On November 30 2012 07:03 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
scarlett is the only foreigner who advanced to r3 Scarlett is the only one in R3 who hasn't played a Korean yet. shhh don't tell : Maybe Scarlett is actually Korean and we just don't know it yet I got a joke under my sleeve, but it's worth 2 bans.
sometimes you just have to make sacrifices
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On November 30 2012 07:05 freetgy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:02 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano tried his best against this build. He did try to bait forcefields during all the way from HerO's base to his base. He tried to flank the sentries/immo the whole time with 2 groups of Zerglings, but it wasn't enough.
Serious question here (no balance), how do you stop this ? he probably should have forced the engagement instead of backing of with the lings like 3-4 times, just showed that HerO was one step ahead and didn't waste a single forcefield, because he understood what Stephano tried to do.
But even if he had engaged he knew he would have lost that battle ... It seems to me that it only depends on the good or bad play of protoss player, that seems a bit unfair.
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United States23455 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:09 Slardar wrote:
What the hell is up with these double elim brackets?
BBong beats Sea, loses in Round 2. Drops down to lower........to face Sea again.
Leiya defeats Nerchio, loses in Round 2. Drops down to lower.......to face Nerchio again.
Same situation with Huk & Hwangsin. Why???? :@
It's wrong.
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On November 30 2012 07:06 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:05 Sabu113 wrote:On November 30 2012 07:03 ChApFoU wrote:
Honestly, as an average casual player, I would say immortal sentry push looks more imbalanced than brood/infest.
Can you really go for fast double expo against that if P makes no mistakes ? Cause Steph knew it was coming, didn't make any big mistakes, tried to delay, tried to flank and got rolled over :/ We've seen immortal sentry crushed more than a few times. BL/infestor... absoutely epic harass and then some luck. MVPSniper holds immortal push the best I've seen, just watch some of his GSL/GSTL Games.
He held it once. He lost the last he played against Parting before that in GSTL. In fact, Parting did it twice in a row, first against Sniper, then DRG and won both. So no, just because he held it once, when Parting apparently said in pre-game chat that he was going to do it, and he went hatch 1st into 3 min 3rd, doesn't mean he holds it easily every time. Not to mention in that game when he did hold it, Parting missed his 1st set of force fields, and let a bunch of Zerglings in, which killed some of his Sentries.
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That was the weirdest ad ever...
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Australia54785 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:09 eGoRama wrote:
Fast Lair for DRG at the moment at 2 bases, Byun is going cloaked Banshees.
feel free to keep up the updates =)
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ByuN in purple, best color - he has to win now!
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Canada16217 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:09 Twilight Sparkle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:04 Pandain wrote:On November 30 2012 07:02 neptunusfisk wrote:On November 30 2012 07:00 Xcobidoo wrote:
Time to retire this map for PvZ.... Time to retire PvZ... People who don't like PvZ now obviously have never watched a year and a half of roach hydra corruptor armies a moving into collusus deathballs. Disliking PvZ in the past and disliking it now are by no means mutually exclusive. It's always been a bad matchup.
except for when hero started doing his warp prism harass which everyone loved watching, but now everyone just copied him :/
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On November 30 2012 07:08 MyNameIsAlex wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:06 Heavenlee wrote:On November 30 2012 07:03 ChApFoU wrote:
Honestly, as an average casual player, I would say immortal sentry push looks more imbalanced than brood/infest.
Can you really go for fast double expo against that if P makes no mistakes ? Cause Steph knew it was coming, didn't make any big mistakes, tried to delay, tried to flank and got rolled over :/ He made plenty of big mistakes, did you see how many lings he lost for absolutely nothing with random flank attempts? Like 3 forcefields total? he was delaying the attack, and buying time to get more army out. he wasnt donating lings. doh.
Sending 6 lings at a time into the ball to get killed within 1-2s and no forcefields dropped certainly did not accomplish that.
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