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raser
Norway301 Posts
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:00 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: Naniwa, 22.11.2012 never forget I like 19.11.2011 better. + Show Spoiler + When he beat MVP and NesTea back to back | ||
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jnd
Czech Republic915 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:03 SMMN wrote: he had 1k mineral 6k gas srsly what should he warp in Perhaps something with more than 10 HP? Oh wait, he did before making the Archons. | ||
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thepuppyassassin
900 Posts
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NipponBanzai
Canada518 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:04 travis wrote: It wasn't that bad by naniwa, im not really sure what he was supposed to do. He was building mass archon because he had 8 million gas. What are you supposed to build there to win? I feel more zealots and less archons would have been more effective. Also don't get all your HT EMPed. That would be good. | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
No, he didn't. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:04 travis wrote: It wasn't that bad by naniwa, im not really sure what he was supposed to do. He was building mass archon because he had 8 million gas. What are you supposed to build there to win? I'm guessing Naniwa would have to sacrifice workers to in order to get a similar army size. Either that or stretch Thorzain thin by warp prism harassment. But not sure. I can't believe other terrans aren't building as many ghosts though because that's the counter to the entire protoss race. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:02 kafkaesque wrote: But seriously, what was he supposed to do? dont warp in zealots just right after the fight into thorzains army. Completely waste of money. Instead he should have focussed much more heavily on Ht's. Spreading them out. Just killing 50-70% of the army is fine and you will if you can split up HT. Then you rebuild (at one of your expos). Maxes out and owns thorzain in the next battle. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
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snam
Sweden78 Posts
Alright then, i could be wrong | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:04 travis wrote: It wasn't that bad by naniwa, im not really sure what he was supposed to do. He was building mass archon because he had 8 million gas. What are you supposed to build there to win? This is true. His bank was so heavily balanced towards gas it wasn't even funny. I do think, though, that once you reach this late late game vs mass ghost, you've got to switch to something along the lines of stalker/colossus, forgoing a bit of archons and zealots and using his stalkers to keep the colossus alive. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
Naniwa still had an insane gas bank and two mineral mining bases. He could have warped in a ton of Archons and still won, Thorzain's last army was weakened, small, and had no follow up. Thrown game. But I do have to say Naniwa played that game correctly. What was he supposed to build? Immortals and Archons weren't bad choices. There's just nothing else you can build. Possibly a late game tech switch back to heavy Blink Stalker/Colossus could have done a better job, but it was very difficult with Thorzain maintaining that Viking count for so long. His only choice for a lot of that game was Archon/Immortal/Chargelot. | ||
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4ZakeN87
Sweden1071 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:01 Zealos wrote: Why could Naniwa do? Any colossus would have been destroyed by the vikings? It is tricky but some kind of colossus play with several observers together with a well spread out HT mix I think is what is necessary. Colossus can to some extent defend the HT from getting EMP:ed and the HT can to some extent defend the colossus from vikings with storm. Maybe add in some blink stalker for extra defense and then of course charge zealots. Although vikings have longer range then storm cast radius I believe so in reality it is tricky, you need to have perfect army controll over a long period of time. You clump your HT`s a bit and 2-3 EMPs hits and it is all over. | ||
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Bergys
Sweden337 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:06 NipponBanzai wrote: I feel more zealots and less archons would have been more effective. Also don't get all your HT EMPed. That would be good. Zealots are extremely bad vs MMM & ghosts late-game. You really need storms. I think he should have tried to get some storms in even though there were a lot of ghosts. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9776 Posts
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:06 Valikyr wrote: I'm guessing Naniwa would have to sacrifice workers to in order to get a similar army size. Either that or stretch Thorzain thin by warp prism harassment. But not sure. I can't believe other terrans aren't building as many ghosts though because that's the counter to the entire protoss race. No toss should never sack probes. Just build HT's, not archons lol. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:05 Bahajinbo wrote: lol Naniwa. Just build Archons & Chargelots against a Ghost-heavy army. Yeah, very imba. On a serious note, what would you have built? Stalkers aren't goin to do dps with medivacs that base heal faster than stalkers do damage. Collosi are in oneshot range because of vikings. This was a win condition for terran. Maybe a prism drop pulls that army apart. Maybe. Well done by mr Spoon. edit; Think the genius way of putting up 5-6 cannons in the middle of the map is pretty smart. No obs isgoing to survive | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:04 travis wrote: It wasn't that bad by naniwa, im not really sure what he was supposed to do. He was building mass archon because he had 8 million gas. What are you supposed to build there to win? Have more observers and spread them out. It was pretty obvious all the time that Thorzain was bent on taking out those observers. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
2. Naniwa was never able to get good positional advantage on the map because Thorzain was waiting for him patiently 3. Naniwa had 40-50 supply smaller army than Thorzain. Combine that with #1 and #2 and you have a reason why he lost | ||
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