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On November 18 2012 21:48 eMGmoG wrote:
this was the bwc, like one of the biggest tournaments of the year? i just checked once during the finals, the viewership numbers were unbelievably low. im totally hyped for ipl5 and gsl code s s5, but this weekend was just meh. watched like 3 games.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but,
I believe there was 2 other streams that weren't featured on TeamLiquid, the Chinese stream and the Korean stream. Time zone differences also made it hard to get a large viewership from the rest of the world.
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On November 18 2012 22:00 Ronin2011 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 21:06 Kitaen wrote:On November 18 2012 21:01 Ronin2011 wrote:
1th Protoss
2nd Protoss
3rd Protoss
Nerf Zerg.. they're so OP!
Let's hope Blizzard reconsider hearing bronze player voices... new account? have you been banned already for comments like this? This is my opinion. If you don't like it, move to the next comment and ask for some T or P buff. P.S. Great arguments you bring to the table.
How's this then; the top three were all protoss but more significantly they were all Korean. And in the whole tournament, the grand total of Korean zergs was...1. Roro. Who had probably the hardest group and bombed out 0-4.
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The seeding was fine (although the tournament itself sucked due the lack of Korean Terran's and the stale metagame), the best players won. Stop whining about it.
Europeans showed as usual that their place on the world stage is extremely overrated as they once again completely fail to deliver when they play outside of Europe and aren't able to outnumber the rest of the participants 5 to 1.
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On November 18 2012 22:01 Serek wrote:
People asking for extra Korean seeds are missing the point that this tournament is designed (from the qualifiers up to the prize money) to encourage people from countries other than Korea to play SC2.
Whether you agree or not is a different thing. But that's the way it is.
Having weak players getting stomped by koreans and creating overall boring roflstomps will not improve the willingness of americans or europeans to play the gaame more
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On November 18 2012 21:56 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 21:52 Fusilero wrote:On November 18 2012 21:47 vthree wrote:On November 18 2012 21:45 Chill Penguin wrote:On November 18 2012 21:43 vthree wrote:On November 18 2012 21:41 Chill Penguin wrote:On November 18 2012 21:23 Destructicon wrote:
I have no idea why you people are crying about the tournament format. The tournament did everything right regarding a world championship, you had regional qualifiers, continental qualifiers and finally the grand showdown.
If you are upset that foreigners did poorly in general, then there is no one to fucking blame but the foreigners themselves, don't blame the format, the best player of his region qualified, then the best players on the continent qualified to go to the grand final, then the best players in the world, the Koreans won from there, get a grip, deal with it.
I agree that IPL5 and Iron Squid 2 have much more sick lineups, but those are all heavy on Koreans, while that is all great, we need tournament that are that stacked, we also need grass roots tournaments like WCS to grow and expose local talent, to encourage growth that will potentially Challenger the Koreans. And you do need some local heroes for people to cheer for, just don't cry when your local hero gets stomped into the dirt by the much superior Koreans. Agree 100% People seem to forget that the player pool for this tournament was the entire world. The World Championship was just a culmination of all the regional and national qualifiers. The format is pretty spot on for what this event is meant to be. Ideally I'd love a 64 player World Championship (Dreamhack double group stage format) to allow for a greater spread and variety. But that's probably asking a bit much for all the money Blizzard would have to put in. As for changes I'd make to the current format; Take away a NA seed and give the Sweden national champ a direct seed. Take away the Taiwan seed (seems like this was done just for Sen) and create an extra Asian seed. Why should Sweden national champ get a direct seed? Because I feel the Swedish SC2 player base are deserving of having their own seed. I assume you are using 'player skill level' as the criteria for seeds. But if you do that, shouldn't Korea (Or Asia) have more seeds? If we're going off skill, top 32 of WCS Korea get seeded to the world finals. That is what I am trying to get at. If you give Sweden a direct seed due to having more top players. Then you need to give Korea much more seeds (like 25-28) and then it turns into GSL. Blizzard already told us how they decided the seeds (on game sales) and since they were consistent across the regions, I am ok with that. You can't say EU deserves more seed than NA but then ignore that KR deserves more seeds than EU.
I think you could argue that EU does deserve 1 or 2 seeds more than NA because it's a global event and Europe has many more countries. And I don't think KR deserves more seeds than Europe because you shouldn't over saturate a global event with too many of 1 nation.
It's great that you are happy with the current format, I was just sharing my opinion and you clearly disagree so let's agree to disagree.
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On November 18 2012 22:05 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 22:00 Ronin2011 wrote:On November 18 2012 21:06 Kitaen wrote:On November 18 2012 21:01 Ronin2011 wrote:
1th Protoss
2nd Protoss
3rd Protoss
Nerf Zerg.. they're so OP!
Let's hope Blizzard reconsider hearing bronze player voices... new account? have you been banned already for comments like this? This is my opinion. If you don't like it, move to the next comment and ask for some T or P buff. P.S. Great arguments you bring to the table. How's this then; the top three were all protoss but more significantly they were all Korean. And in the whole tournament, the grand total of Korean zergs was...1. Roro. Who had probably the hardest group and bombed out 0-4.
curious
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Awesome tournament, but it doesn't really prove that Parting is the best player in the world. Mvp would beat him on 9/10 days or in 9/10 tournaments. Parting did great, but he had good luck to win the tournament with a $100,000 prize.
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On November 18 2012 21:53 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 21:48 eMGmoG wrote:
this was the bwc, like one of the biggest tournaments of the year? i just checked once during the finals, the viewership numbers were unbelievably low. im totally hyped for ipl5 and gsl code s s5, but this weekend was just meh. watched like 3 games. This is due to time zone. You will have to have the Korea, China, Taiwan, SEA numbers to compare to other tournaments.
Nope, not really. An example: I got up at 8am for the last code s finals, as well as alot friends did. for this tournaments finals, I dont know anyone who got up to watch it. it was just meh :x
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On November 18 2012 22:05 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 22:00 Ronin2011 wrote:On November 18 2012 21:06 Kitaen wrote:On November 18 2012 21:01 Ronin2011 wrote:
1th Protoss
2nd Protoss
3rd Protoss
Nerf Zerg.. they're so OP!
Let's hope Blizzard reconsider hearing bronze player voices... new account? have you been banned already for comments like this? This is my opinion. If you don't like it, move to the next comment and ask for some T or P buff. P.S. Great arguments you bring to the table. How's this then; the top three were all protoss but more significantly they were all Korean. And in the whole tournament, the grand total of Korean zergs was...1. Roro. Who had probably the hardest group and bombed out 0-4.
And Curious is what brah?
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On November 18 2012 22:12 Salient wrote:
Awesome tournament, but it doesn't really prove that Parting is the best player in the world. Mvp would beat him on 9/10 days or in 9/10 tournaments. Parting did great, but he had good luck to win the tournament with a $100,000 prize.
Tips : there is no best player in the world! 
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On November 18 2012 21:53 Chill Penguin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 21:47 vthree wrote:On November 18 2012 21:45 Chill Penguin wrote:On November 18 2012 21:43 vthree wrote:On November 18 2012 21:41 Chill Penguin wrote:On November 18 2012 21:23 Destructicon wrote:
I have no idea why you people are crying about the tournament format. The tournament did everything right regarding a world championship, you had regional qualifiers, continental qualifiers and finally the grand showdown.
If you are upset that foreigners did poorly in general, then there is no one to fucking blame but the foreigners themselves, don't blame the format, the best player of his region qualified, then the best players on the continent qualified to go to the grand final, then the best players in the world, the Koreans won from there, get a grip, deal with it.
I agree that IPL5 and Iron Squid 2 have much more sick lineups, but those are all heavy on Koreans, while that is all great, we need tournament that are that stacked, we also need grass roots tournaments like WCS to grow and expose local talent, to encourage growth that will potentially Challenger the Koreans. And you do need some local heroes for people to cheer for, just don't cry when your local hero gets stomped into the dirt by the much superior Koreans. Agree 100% People seem to forget that the player pool for this tournament was the entire world. The World Championship was just a culmination of all the regional and national qualifiers. The format is pretty spot on for what this event is meant to be. Ideally I'd love a 64 player World Championship (Dreamhack double group stage format) to allow for a greater spread and variety. But that's probably asking a bit much for all the money Blizzard would have to put in. As for changes I'd make to the current format; Take away a NA seed and give the Sweden national champ a direct seed. Take away the Taiwan seed (seems like this was done just for Sen) and create an extra Asian seed. Why should Sweden national champ get a direct seed? Because I feel the Swedish SC2 player base are deserving of having their own seed. I assume you are using 'player skill level' as the criteria for seeds. But if you do that, shouldn't Korea (Or Asia) have more seeds? Skill level is a criteria, not the criteria. I think giving Sweden a seed whilst taking away a NA seed gives a greater variety to the tournament, and rewards Sweden for being a good SC2 nation. I also did suggest turning the Taiwan seed into an Asian seed so yes, and extra Korean could potentially qualify.
sen got 4th place in the end, the taiwanese, so taiwan seed is justified
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On November 18 2012 22:05 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 22:00 Ronin2011 wrote:On November 18 2012 21:06 Kitaen wrote:On November 18 2012 21:01 Ronin2011 wrote:
1th Protoss
2nd Protoss
3rd Protoss
Nerf Zerg.. they're so OP!
Let's hope Blizzard reconsider hearing bronze player voices... new account? have you been banned already for comments like this? This is my opinion. If you don't like it, move to the next comment and ask for some T or P buff. P.S. Great arguments you bring to the table. How's this then; the top three were all protoss but more significantly they were all Korean. And in the whole tournament, the grand total of Korean zergs was...1. Roro. Who had probably the hardest group and bombed out 0-4.
curious is curious on why you dont consider him korean
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If dreamhack people would have taken care of the production, perhaps better event...
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On November 18 2012 22:07 Chill Penguin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 21:56 vthree wrote:On November 18 2012 21:52 Fusilero wrote:On November 18 2012 21:47 vthree wrote:On November 18 2012 21:45 Chill Penguin wrote:On November 18 2012 21:43 vthree wrote:On November 18 2012 21:41 Chill Penguin wrote:On November 18 2012 21:23 Destructicon wrote:
I have no idea why you people are crying about the tournament format. The tournament did everything right regarding a world championship, you had regional qualifiers, continental qualifiers and finally the grand showdown.
If you are upset that foreigners did poorly in general, then there is no one to fucking blame but the foreigners themselves, don't blame the format, the best player of his region qualified, then the best players on the continent qualified to go to the grand final, then the best players in the world, the Koreans won from there, get a grip, deal with it.
I agree that IPL5 and Iron Squid 2 have much more sick lineups, but those are all heavy on Koreans, while that is all great, we need tournament that are that stacked, we also need grass roots tournaments like WCS to grow and expose local talent, to encourage growth that will potentially Challenger the Koreans. And you do need some local heroes for people to cheer for, just don't cry when your local hero gets stomped into the dirt by the much superior Koreans. Agree 100% People seem to forget that the player pool for this tournament was the entire world. The World Championship was just a culmination of all the regional and national qualifiers. The format is pretty spot on for what this event is meant to be. Ideally I'd love a 64 player World Championship (Dreamhack double group stage format) to allow for a greater spread and variety. But that's probably asking a bit much for all the money Blizzard would have to put in. As for changes I'd make to the current format; Take away a NA seed and give the Sweden national champ a direct seed. Take away the Taiwan seed (seems like this was done just for Sen) and create an extra Asian seed. Why should Sweden national champ get a direct seed? Because I feel the Swedish SC2 player base are deserving of having their own seed. I assume you are using 'player skill level' as the criteria for seeds. But if you do that, shouldn't Korea (Or Asia) have more seeds? If we're going off skill, top 32 of WCS Korea get seeded to the world finals. That is what I am trying to get at. If you give Sweden a direct seed due to having more top players. Then you need to give Korea much more seeds (like 25-28) and then it turns into GSL. Blizzard already told us how they decided the seeds (on game sales) and since they were consistent across the regions, I am ok with that. You can't say EU deserves more seed than NA but then ignore that KR deserves more seeds than EU. I think you could argue that EU does deserve 1 or 2 seeds more than NA because it's a global event and Europe has many more countries. And I don't think KR deserves more seeds than Europe because you shouldn't over saturate a global event with too many of 1 nation. It's great that you are happy with the current format, I was just sharing my opinion and you clearly disagree so let's agree to disagree.
Yes, let's give seeds to Lichtenstein, Andorra, and San Marino. :p EU nations correspond to US states in terms of population and economic power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
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On November 18 2012 22:14 Ronin2011 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 22:05 The KY wrote:On November 18 2012 22:00 Ronin2011 wrote:On November 18 2012 21:06 Kitaen wrote:On November 18 2012 21:01 Ronin2011 wrote:
1th Protoss
2nd Protoss
3rd Protoss
Nerf Zerg.. they're so OP!
Let's hope Blizzard reconsider hearing bronze player voices... new account? have you been banned already for comments like this? This is my opinion. If you don't like it, move to the next comment and ask for some T or P buff. P.S. Great arguments you bring to the table. How's this then; the top three were all protoss but more significantly they were all Korean. And in the whole tournament, the grand total of Korean zergs was...1. Roro. Who had probably the hardest group and bombed out 0-4. And Curious is what brah?
Dammit knew I missed one -_-
Well it's irrelevant because Curious got 3-0ed by another zerg.
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On November 18 2012 22:14 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 21:53 Chill Penguin wrote:On November 18 2012 21:47 vthree wrote:On November 18 2012 21:45 Chill Penguin wrote:On November 18 2012 21:43 vthree wrote:On November 18 2012 21:41 Chill Penguin wrote:On November 18 2012 21:23 Destructicon wrote:
I have no idea why you people are crying about the tournament format. The tournament did everything right regarding a world championship, you had regional qualifiers, continental qualifiers and finally the grand showdown.
If you are upset that foreigners did poorly in general, then there is no one to fucking blame but the foreigners themselves, don't blame the format, the best player of his region qualified, then the best players on the continent qualified to go to the grand final, then the best players in the world, the Koreans won from there, get a grip, deal with it.
I agree that IPL5 and Iron Squid 2 have much more sick lineups, but those are all heavy on Koreans, while that is all great, we need tournament that are that stacked, we also need grass roots tournaments like WCS to grow and expose local talent, to encourage growth that will potentially Challenger the Koreans. And you do need some local heroes for people to cheer for, just don't cry when your local hero gets stomped into the dirt by the much superior Koreans. Agree 100% People seem to forget that the player pool for this tournament was the entire world. The World Championship was just a culmination of all the regional and national qualifiers. The format is pretty spot on for what this event is meant to be. Ideally I'd love a 64 player World Championship (Dreamhack double group stage format) to allow for a greater spread and variety. But that's probably asking a bit much for all the money Blizzard would have to put in. As for changes I'd make to the current format; Take away a NA seed and give the Sweden national champ a direct seed. Take away the Taiwan seed (seems like this was done just for Sen) and create an extra Asian seed. Why should Sweden national champ get a direct seed? Because I feel the Swedish SC2 player base are deserving of having their own seed. I assume you are using 'player skill level' as the criteria for seeds. But if you do that, shouldn't Korea (Or Asia) have more seeds? Skill level is a criteria, not the criteria. I think giving Sweden a seed whilst taking away a NA seed gives a greater variety to the tournament, and rewards Sweden for being a good SC2 nation. I also did suggest turning the Taiwan seed into an Asian seed so yes, and extra Korean could potentially qualify. sen got 4th place in the end, the taiwanese, so taiwan seed is justified
Yeah that's true.
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I'm still sad for Stephano. He had such a good shot at 100k and he missed it. He must be pissed at himself.
Also the event didn't feel epic enough overall, compared to the epic prize. Perhaps cultural difference.
The best for me from this event was the entrance of everyone with their flags, like in the Olympic games.
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The event didnt feel epic because we didnt have enough foreigners after the groups phases. I mean, I would watch the tournament if Stephano, Scarlet or Nerchio were there, but they all felt apart.
Only if Idra had beat Rain.
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here's the balance problem
zerg OP
but 1,2,3 all protoss
but it can be argued that the protosses are all korean
but foreigner only good when playing zerg (lucifron and illusion gets away with group filled with foreigner protoss)
but again, korean > foreigner, but why korean zerg cant reproduce the same result (curious, roro)
then again looking back at several tournament result that held recently
the metagame (or balance) is currently siding with the zerg
premier tournament (according to liquipedia) since october
DH Bucharest
1. Nerchio - Zerg
2. Bly - Zerg
ESWC
1. Mana - Protoss
2. forGG - Terran
MLG Dallas
1. Life - Zerg
2. Leenock - Zerg
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On November 18 2012 22:02 Jackle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 21:48 eMGmoG wrote:
this was the bwc, like one of the biggest tournaments of the year? i just checked once during the finals, the viewership numbers were unbelievably low. im totally hyped for ipl5 and gsl code s s5, but this weekend was just meh. watched like 3 games. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but, I believe there was 2 other streams that weren't featured on TeamLiquid, the Chinese stream and the Korean stream. Time zone differences also made it hard to get a large viewership from the rest of the world.
Timezone is a big issue indeed but also the event wasn't what it should have been. This was not the next thing after we had the WCS EU finals, this was a few steps back from that.
I never had the feeling that i was watching something special, i just had the feeling like i was watching a IEM and nothing more. And i wonder how long people will talk about this event, i dont think long.
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