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On November 18 2012 22:37 maracuja123 wrote:
The event didnt feel epic because we didnt have enough foreigners after the groups phases. I mean, I would watch the tournament if Stephano, Scarlet or Nerchio were there, but they all felt apart.
Only if Idra had beat Rain. I don't mind Korean domination, but Parting and Creator perhaps not the Koreans that excite me the most (even if they are excellent players). Maybe if Rain was in the final.
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T_T I think Rain would have beaten Parting
He must feel like shit right now
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Creator and PartinG cruising through was expected from most people. Didn't expect PartinG to steal the win from Creator, but they're around the same skill level anyhow.
Speaking of which, VortiX played so well against Creator and Suppy against PartinG. While it may have been a fluke for Suppy (like there were quite a few for other players in day 1), VortiX has been playing great against Koreans for a while; he went 2-3 against Leenock in the RSL recently and won over TaeJa 3-2 (also in the RSL) when he was near his peak.
Meanwhile, like many others I don't see why people are particularly mourning the defeat of foreigners so much... while only 2 of 7 Koreans topped their groups (Creator and PartinG, naturally) all but herO and RorO made it through, making it look like a normal day in a major tournament for day 2.
At the same time, I doubt this represents the best players... the absence of players like Mvp, DRG, MC, TaeJa and Leenock among others means that a world champion can't really be declared here.
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On November 18 2012 22:54 Mariosatr wrote:
Creator and PartinG cruising through was expected from most people. Didn't expect PartinG to steal the win from Creator, but they're around the same skill level anyhow.
Speaking of which, VortiX played so well against Creator and Suppy against PartinG. While it may have been a fluke for Suppy (like there were quite a few for other players in day 1), VortiX has been playing great against Koreans for a while; he went 2-3 against Leenock in the RSL recently and won over TaeJa 3-2 (also in the RSL) when he was near his peak.
Meanwhile, like many others I don't see why people are particularly mourning the defeat of foreigners so much... while only 2 of 7 Koreans topped their groups (Creator and PartinG, naturally) all but herO and RorO made it through, making it look like a normal day in a major tournament for day 2.
At the same time, I doubt this represents the best players... the absence of players like Mvp, DRG, MC, TaeJa and Leenock among others means that a world champion can't really be declared here.
They all got knocked out on the way to these stages. Their fault, no one else's. There's no point winning the GSL ever because Stephano isn't in it. No point winning an MLG because not every Korean attends. Same with Dreamhack, same with every tournament according to your flawed logic. I think this is the first global SC2 tournament that actually had over 90% of the good playerbase involved in it. Parting only beat who was in front of him with some sick micro. All heil the new champion. The soul champion.
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Damn i love to win 100,000 $
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On November 18 2012 22:57 Serafyn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 22:54 Mariosatr wrote:
Creator and PartinG cruising through was expected from most people. Didn't expect PartinG to steal the win from Creator, but they're around the same skill level anyhow.
Speaking of which, VortiX played so well against Creator and Suppy against PartinG. While it may have been a fluke for Suppy (like there were quite a few for other players in day 1), VortiX has been playing great against Koreans for a while; he went 2-3 against Leenock in the RSL recently and won over TaeJa 3-2 (also in the RSL) when he was near his peak.
Meanwhile, like many others I don't see why people are particularly mourning the defeat of foreigners so much... while only 2 of 7 Koreans topped their groups (Creator and PartinG, naturally) all but herO and RorO made it through, making it look like a normal day in a major tournament for day 2.
At the same time, I doubt this represents the best players... the absence of players like Mvp, DRG, MC, TaeJa and Leenock among others means that a world champion can't really be declared here. They all got knocked out on the way to these stages. Their fault, no one else's. There's no point winning the GSL ever because Stephano isn't in it. No point winning an MLG because not every Korean attends. Same with Dreamhack, same with every tournament according to your flawed logic. I think this is the first global SC2 tournament that actually had over 90% of the good playerbase involved in it. Parting only beat who was in front of him with some sick micro. All heil the new champion. The soul champion.
I have a solution for you.....
IPL 5
as long as idra, suppy, vortix, babyknight, titan, parting, rain, sen didnt count
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On November 18 2012 22:06 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 22:01 Serek wrote:
People asking for extra Korean seeds are missing the point that this tournament is designed (from the qualifiers up to the prize money) to encourage people from countries other than Korea to play SC2.
Whether you agree or not is a different thing. But that's the way it is. Having weak players getting stomped by koreans and creating overall boring roflstomps will not improve the willingness of americans or europeans to play the gaame more
You're not the target audience, you already play the game. What do you know about how new players think? At least you'd expect Blizzard to have done market research, don't you think?
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On November 18 2012 22:57 Serafyn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 22:54 Mariosatr wrote:
Creator and PartinG cruising through was expected from most people. Didn't expect PartinG to steal the win from Creator, but they're around the same skill level anyhow.
Speaking of which, VortiX played so well against Creator and Suppy against PartinG. While it may have been a fluke for Suppy (like there were quite a few for other players in day 1), VortiX has been playing great against Koreans for a while; he went 2-3 against Leenock in the RSL recently and won over TaeJa 3-2 (also in the RSL) when he was near his peak.
Meanwhile, like many others I don't see why people are particularly mourning the defeat of foreigners so much... while only 2 of 7 Koreans topped their groups (Creator and PartinG, naturally) all but herO and RorO made it through, making it look like a normal day in a major tournament for day 2.
At the same time, I doubt this represents the best players... the absence of players like Mvp, DRG, MC, TaeJa and Leenock among others means that a world champion can't really be declared here. They all got knocked out on the way to these stages. Their fault, no one else's. There's no point winning the GSL ever because Stephano isn't in it. No point winning an MLG because not every Korean attends. Same with Dreamhack, same with every tournament according to your flawed logic. I think this is the first global SC2 tournament that actually had over 90% of the good playerbase involved in it. Parting only beat who was in front of him with some sick micro. All heil the new champion. The soul champion.
The player pool for this tournament heavily favoured foreigners. It was a deliberate choice of regional representation over skill. Nothing to be antagonistic about, but it is quite true that the challenge level here was lower than elsewhere.
Also, in all honesty... winning the korean qualifiers for any event, nowadays, seems only marginally easier than winning the event itself. Too bad you don't get a giant check for doing so. 
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On November 18 2012 23:05 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 22:57 Serafyn wrote:On November 18 2012 22:54 Mariosatr wrote:
Creator and PartinG cruising through was expected from most people. Didn't expect PartinG to steal the win from Creator, but they're around the same skill level anyhow.
Speaking of which, VortiX played so well against Creator and Suppy against PartinG. While it may have been a fluke for Suppy (like there were quite a few for other players in day 1), VortiX has been playing great against Koreans for a while; he went 2-3 against Leenock in the RSL recently and won over TaeJa 3-2 (also in the RSL) when he was near his peak.
Meanwhile, like many others I don't see why people are particularly mourning the defeat of foreigners so much... while only 2 of 7 Koreans topped their groups (Creator and PartinG, naturally) all but herO and RorO made it through, making it look like a normal day in a major tournament for day 2.
At the same time, I doubt this represents the best players... the absence of players like Mvp, DRG, MC, TaeJa and Leenock among others means that a world champion can't really be declared here. They all got knocked out on the way to these stages. Their fault, no one else's. There's no point winning the GSL ever because Stephano isn't in it. No point winning an MLG because not every Korean attends. Same with Dreamhack, same with every tournament according to your flawed logic. I think this is the first global SC2 tournament that actually had over 90% of the good playerbase involved in it. Parting only beat who was in front of him with some sick micro. All heil the new champion. The soul champion. I have a solution for you..... IPL 5
Rain won't be there
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I wake up to see Parting as the winner...I must be dreaming. This is to good to be true...
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On November 18 2012 22:57 Serafyn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 22:54 Mariosatr wrote:
Creator and PartinG cruising through was expected from most people. Didn't expect PartinG to steal the win from Creator, but they're around the same skill level anyhow.
Speaking of which, VortiX played so well against Creator and Suppy against PartinG. While it may have been a fluke for Suppy (like there were quite a few for other players in day 1), VortiX has been playing great against Koreans for a while; he went 2-3 against Leenock in the RSL recently and won over TaeJa 3-2 (also in the RSL) when he was near his peak.
Meanwhile, like many others I don't see why people are particularly mourning the defeat of foreigners so much... while only 2 of 7 Koreans topped their groups (Creator and PartinG, naturally) all but herO and RorO made it through, making it look like a normal day in a major tournament for day 2.
At the same time, I doubt this represents the best players... the absence of players like Mvp, DRG, MC, TaeJa and Leenock among others means that a world champion can't really be declared here. They all got knocked out on the way to these stages. Their fault, no one else's. There's no point winning the GSL ever because Stephano isn't in it. No point winning an MLG because not every Korean attends. Same with Dreamhack, same with every tournament according to your flawed logic. I think this is the first global SC2 tournament that actually had over 90% of the good playerbase involved in it. Parting only beat who was in front of him with some sick micro. All heil the new champion. The soul champion.
MC and Mvp forfeited their matches.
I guess naming a world champion is simply not possible because in any event there will be at least one important player missing.
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On November 18 2012 22:57 Serafyn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 22:54 Mariosatr wrote:
Creator and PartinG cruising through was expected from most people. Didn't expect PartinG to steal the win from Creator, but they're around the same skill level anyhow.
Speaking of which, VortiX played so well against Creator and Suppy against PartinG. While it may have been a fluke for Suppy (like there were quite a few for other players in day 1), VortiX has been playing great against Koreans for a while; he went 2-3 against Leenock in the RSL recently and won over TaeJa 3-2 (also in the RSL) when he was near his peak.
Meanwhile, like many others I don't see why people are particularly mourning the defeat of foreigners so much... while only 2 of 7 Koreans topped their groups (Creator and PartinG, naturally) all but herO and RorO made it through, making it look like a normal day in a major tournament for day 2.
At the same time, I doubt this represents the best players... the absence of players like Mvp, DRG, MC, TaeJa and Leenock among others means that a world champion can't really be declared here. They all got knocked out on the way to these stages. Their fault, no one else's. There's no point winning the GSL ever because Stephano isn't in it. No point winning an MLG because not every Korean attends. Same with Dreamhack, same with every tournament according to your flawed logic. I think this is the first global SC2 tournament that actually had over 90% of the good playerbase involved in it. Parting only beat who was in front of him with some sick micro. All heil the new champion. The soul champion.
It has good playerbase from everywhere compared to their location's skill level, but past results from pretty much all of SC2's lifetime has proven that Koreans are generally better than foreigners. I'm not complaining that this is a bad tournament - it was actually one of the best I've seen - but again, the absence of not only top Koreans (like I've mentioned) but also some other time foreigners like NaNiwa and MaNa means that, again, it's still not great to determine a "champion".
Did I ever say that a global champion could be declared at all? No tournament can really determine a world champion. The closest things we've got to determining a world champion are either the "Unofficial Champion" title or the ELO (terrible, but better than quite a few tournaments). Tournament-wise, GSL Code S would be best fitting to declare a "world champion", because we all know that only the top Koreans make it there.
Also, a global champion can't really be declared because the "best player" changes over time. Your beloved PartinG lost 5-1 to HyuN in the IPL Fight Club earlier this week (I think it was earlier this week, or 1 week ago perhaps and fell 0-2 just 4 days ago in GSL, to Polt and then Sniper. Life was also widely considered the best Zerg, if not the best player in the world but 1 month ago, but now a quite a few people are switching their opinions to Leenock or Creator (and now PartinG too).
So no, I don't think PartinG could be hailed a "world champion".
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Woke up at 12:00 midday to see that it was already the final, I missed everything 
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On November 18 2012 22:07 Chill Penguin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 21:56 vthree wrote:On November 18 2012 21:52 Fusilero wrote:On November 18 2012 21:47 vthree wrote:On November 18 2012 21:45 Chill Penguin wrote:On November 18 2012 21:43 vthree wrote:On November 18 2012 21:41 Chill Penguin wrote:On November 18 2012 21:23 Destructicon wrote:
I have no idea why you people are crying about the tournament format. The tournament did everything right regarding a world championship, you had regional qualifiers, continental qualifiers and finally the grand showdown.
If you are upset that foreigners did poorly in general, then there is no one to fucking blame but the foreigners themselves, don't blame the format, the best player of his region qualified, then the best players on the continent qualified to go to the grand final, then the best players in the world, the Koreans won from there, get a grip, deal with it.
I agree that IPL5 and Iron Squid 2 have much more sick lineups, but those are all heavy on Koreans, while that is all great, we need tournament that are that stacked, we also need grass roots tournaments like WCS to grow and expose local talent, to encourage growth that will potentially Challenger the Koreans. And you do need some local heroes for people to cheer for, just don't cry when your local hero gets stomped into the dirt by the much superior Koreans. Agree 100% People seem to forget that the player pool for this tournament was the entire world. The World Championship was just a culmination of all the regional and national qualifiers. The format is pretty spot on for what this event is meant to be. Ideally I'd love a 64 player World Championship (Dreamhack double group stage format) to allow for a greater spread and variety. But that's probably asking a bit much for all the money Blizzard would have to put in. As for changes I'd make to the current format; Take away a NA seed and give the Sweden national champ a direct seed. Take away the Taiwan seed (seems like this was done just for Sen) and create an extra Asian seed. Why should Sweden national champ get a direct seed? Because I feel the Swedish SC2 player base are deserving of having their own seed. I assume you are using 'player skill level' as the criteria for seeds. But if you do that, shouldn't Korea (Or Asia) have more seeds? If we're going off skill, top 32 of WCS Korea get seeded to the world finals. That is what I am trying to get at. If you give Sweden a direct seed due to having more top players. Then you need to give Korea much more seeds (like 25-28) and then it turns into GSL. Blizzard already told us how they decided the seeds (on game sales) and since they were consistent across the regions, I am ok with that. You can't say EU deserves more seed than NA but then ignore that KR deserves more seeds than EU. I think you could argue that EU does deserve 1 or 2 seeds more than NA because it's a global event and Europe has many more countries. And I don't think KR deserves more seeds than Europe because you shouldn't over saturate a global event with too many of 1 nation. It's great that you are happy with the current format, I was just sharing my opinion and you clearly disagree so let's agree to disagree.
I discussed this at some length about 2 months ago. Because I felt the system was heavily biased towards some countries. Particularly US and Canada, and to a lesser extent Germany, Taiwan and Australia. While other strong SC2 countries like Sweden, UK, Poland and Ukraine got a pretty shitty deal to be honest.
I also discussed how this system is likely to cause a very Korean dominated world final. So feel free to continue the discussion in my thread ^^
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369449
Because I would love people to react more about this and make Blizzard rethink their current qualification system.
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On November 18 2012 23:07 Zeroxk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 23:05 Vertical wrote:On November 18 2012 22:57 Serafyn wrote:On November 18 2012 22:54 Mariosatr wrote:
Creator and PartinG cruising through was expected from most people. Didn't expect PartinG to steal the win from Creator, but they're around the same skill level anyhow.
Speaking of which, VortiX played so well against Creator and Suppy against PartinG. While it may have been a fluke for Suppy (like there were quite a few for other players in day 1), VortiX has been playing great against Koreans for a while; he went 2-3 against Leenock in the RSL recently and won over TaeJa 3-2 (also in the RSL) when he was near his peak.
Meanwhile, like many others I don't see why people are particularly mourning the defeat of foreigners so much... while only 2 of 7 Koreans topped their groups (Creator and PartinG, naturally) all but herO and RorO made it through, making it look like a normal day in a major tournament for day 2.
At the same time, I doubt this represents the best players... the absence of players like Mvp, DRG, MC, TaeJa and Leenock among others means that a world champion can't really be declared here. They all got knocked out on the way to these stages. Their fault, no one else's. There's no point winning the GSL ever because Stephano isn't in it. No point winning an MLG because not every Korean attends. Same with Dreamhack, same with every tournament according to your flawed logic. I think this is the first global SC2 tournament that actually had over 90% of the good playerbase involved in it. Parting only beat who was in front of him with some sick micro. All heil the new champion. The soul champion. I have a solution for you..... IPL 5 Rain won't be there
idra, suppy, vortix, babyknight, titan, parting, rain, sen, lucifron
if you notice that the foreigners (maybe except babyknight and vortix)
are breakthrough player from this current WCS
but then again, beside parting and sun, none of them ever win a premier tournament
just some hyped up foreigners with some korean kills
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So, is zerg or protoss OP, or are both?
Jk lol, gratz to Parting, best player in the world!
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On November 18 2012 23:06 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 22:57 Serafyn wrote:On November 18 2012 22:54 Mariosatr wrote:
Creator and PartinG cruising through was expected from most people. Didn't expect PartinG to steal the win from Creator, but they're around the same skill level anyhow.
Speaking of which, VortiX played so well against Creator and Suppy against PartinG. While it may have been a fluke for Suppy (like there were quite a few for other players in day 1), VortiX has been playing great against Koreans for a while; he went 2-3 against Leenock in the RSL recently and won over TaeJa 3-2 (also in the RSL) when he was near his peak.
Meanwhile, like many others I don't see why people are particularly mourning the defeat of foreigners so much... while only 2 of 7 Koreans topped their groups (Creator and PartinG, naturally) all but herO and RorO made it through, making it look like a normal day in a major tournament for day 2.
At the same time, I doubt this represents the best players... the absence of players like Mvp, DRG, MC, TaeJa and Leenock among others means that a world champion can't really be declared here. They all got knocked out on the way to these stages. Their fault, no one else's. There's no point winning the GSL ever because Stephano isn't in it. No point winning an MLG because not every Korean attends. Same with Dreamhack, same with every tournament according to your flawed logic. I think this is the first global SC2 tournament that actually had over 90% of the good playerbase involved in it. Parting only beat who was in front of him with some sick micro. All heil the new champion. The soul champion. The player pool for this tournament heavily favoured foreigners. It was a deliberate choice of regional representation over skill. Nothing to be antagonistic about, but it is quite true that the challenge level here was lower than elsewhere. Also, in all honesty... winning the korean qualifiers for any event, nowadays, seems only marginally easier than winning the event itself. Too bad you don't get a giant check for doing so.
Well, at least the qualifiers (nationals, continentals) did have a prize pool for WCS.
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Can anyone recommend games to watch? Wasn't able to watch the playoffs and I don't want to watch all the matches.
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On November 18 2012 23:20 oberhofer wrote:
Can anyone recommend games to watch? Wasn't able to watch the playoffs and I don't want to watch all the matches.
Sen vs. Hero last game.
Epic!
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GG's parting. I think for a change we should just enjoy his road here and the accomplishments that he made along the way instead of tirelessly, and endlessly trying to determine how valid the title is. Regardless Parting won a very large scale, time consuming series of tournaments and totally deserves it. Good job parting cant wait till next BWC. Blizzard will only imporve the format and venue.(rumors say blizzcon being the next)
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