EPT[WCS] Global Finals Day 2 - Page 396
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sdnnvs
Brazil33 Posts
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Jealous
10246 Posts
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Jealous
10246 Posts
On November 18 2012 23:30 4ZakeN87 wrote: Well to be honest it is probably many that don´t because of it, few things are hurting the expansion of SC2 as much as the Korean dominance. =__= "Oh no the best players are beating the worse players, that is why our game is dying." It would be a problem if the Koreans WEREN'T dominating... How do people not understand this and continue with their biased and racist mentality? Fuck, so depressing. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On November 19 2012 00:08 RainMore wrote: This tournament was pathetic. Lag, sound issues, streams dying, no player reactions, and too little variety in terms of match-ups and gameplay. The only thing this had going for it was the prize pool. Grats to Parting, but Blizzard failed massively with their own tournament. I never had any issues with the streams dying or lagging when I watched. The quality of the streams was pretty poor, and what do you mean by player reactions? Players celebrating hard in their booth when they won a match? Blizzard can't do anything about that. Blizzard also cant fix the matchup issue when every good Korean Terran either dropped out, or didn't even play in WCS Korea. | ||
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
The skill level was very homogenous at the europe finals, every local star had some time to shine and world final was just that a lot of interesting characters got already knocked out in group phase. Then they had a lot of korean protosses and some zergs. Which lead to almost no terrans after group phase and very protoss heavy from semifinals onwards. NA players did do suprisingly well. Dunno why, usually i wouldnt think fenix would beat socke that easily for example. maybe some had issues with jet lag... its way harder to travel eastwards than travelling westwards. but nevertheless very good performance overall from NA, i dont want to take too much away from them. I feel kinda bad, because european pros often smack talk about the NA-servers and i actually believed it. dunno what the excuse may be for those bad results^^ Socke was really good in his first map vs partinG in my opinion... only lost because parting was imba with dodging so many stalker shots with blink. that was insane. Im really happy that i didnt stay up that long to watch some of it. because i would have regretted it. Times were ridiculous for europe. I could have watched the end in the morning to early to noon but since im a terran player i have no interest in watching korean pvp. Production was also pretty crappy... lots of technical issues on day 1. Europe players fail against NA, the leftovers get dominated by the koreans. Wasnt really enjoyable. | ||
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betaman
United Kingdom355 Posts
Would be nice if there was an open bracket, ie a format similar to IPL5 or an MLG, so that qualified players have an advantage but we still get the possibility of seeing great players that didnt qualify. To call it a world championships is laughable when so many of they worlds best players were missing. | ||
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
I guess you can only solve that by inviting no koreans at all or mostly koreans (atleast 70-90%) | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On November 19 2012 01:01 SpikeStarcraft wrote: well i guess the real world finals would be Code S or MLG finals skillwise. Those WCS finals just didnt have a homogenous skill-level. I guess you can only solve that by inviting no koreans at all or mostly koreans (atleast 70-90%) MLG feels more prestigious to me which is what this event should have been all about but it turned out to be a $100k give away. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
should i watch any vods? | ||
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On November 19 2012 00:59 betaman wrote: I really hope they revise the format of this competiton next year it was free money for semi decent NA players that would lose to the100th best Korean most of the time. Would be nice if there was an open bracket, ie a format similar to IPL5 or an MLG, so that qualified players have an advantage but we still get the possibility of seeing great players that didnt qualify. To call it a world championships is laughable when so many of they worlds best players were missing. Uhmm if you change it in to a open bracket you shouldn't call it the world championships either because it would become a Korean Open Championship. They way Blizzard did it was good (if they would have dropped the direct seeds it would have been almost perfect) and it is used in all sports all over the world. People who think that a World Championship always have the best competition clearly dont understand the principle of a World Championship. Almost anyone in the world had a chance to enter, some didn't make it and some choose not to participate and thats it. The fact that there are better players in the world who weren't there doesn't mean it's not a World Championship. | ||
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
On November 19 2012 01:11 TheSir wrote: Uhmm if you change it in to a open bracket you shouldn't call it the world championships either because it would become a Korean Open Championship. They way Blizzard did it was good (if they would have dropped the direct seeds it would have been almost perfect) and it is used in all sports all over the world. People who think that a World Championship always have the best competition clearly dont understand the principle of a World Championship. Almost anyone in the world had a chance to enter, some didn't make it and some choose not to participate and thats it. The fact that there are better players in the world who weren't there doesn't mean it's not a World Championship. Maybe we europeans arent used to watch a world championship and have no one to root for after group stage^^ but in the end of a world championship you have a legitimate champion. At least in football it is like that. I dont feel it is like that in sc2 | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
On November 19 2012 01:19 Zenbrez wrote: Came here expecting to read a discussion based on the last few matches. Nope, just a bunch of people bitching for the sake of bitching. Can't comprehend why some people even use forums. I guess that talk is over 100 pages ago or something like that. but i didnt watch the finals, why dont you tell me about it, if they were that interesting.. | ||
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wozzot
United States1227 Posts
On November 19 2012 01:10 bokeevboke wrote: watched only one game of this tournament. getting an impression that tournament wasn't great. am i right? should i watch any vods? Overall, it was a clusterfuck. There were ridiculously long breaks between games, and when the streams weren't simultaneously down or running at one frame per second we were exposed to awful, awful ZvZ and PvZ There were still some good games, though. There were a few upsets in Groups D, E, and F, so if you want to see Idra and BabyKnight laying the smackdown on KeSPA players you might want to watch those VODs. The Korean Protosses in particular played very well, so if you don't know what to watch you could start with those. Personally, I would recommend Rain's and Parting's matches, lots of insane micro and/or high-level play during those games, though even those are a mixed bag | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 19 2012 01:01 SpikeStarcraft wrote: well i guess the real world finals would be Code S or MLG finals skillwise. Those WCS finals just didnt have a homogenous skill-level. I guess you can only solve that by inviting no koreans at all or mostly koreans (atleast 70-90%) Not sure if some of you understand the concept of a world championship. It's on the model of WCG, the World Cup, etc. The point is to have representatives from each country/region, whether that creates "homogeneous skill level" or not. The appeal of the tournament is not designed to be the fact that it's a competition of the 32 best players in the world. So you're whining without a valid reason to do so...so I guess you fit right in in a LR thread LOL. | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On November 19 2012 00:38 sdnnvs wrote: Protoss need a big nerf, by the way ... No, the best zergs and terrans weren't here, while the three best protoss players were here. | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
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Scisyhp
United States200 Posts
On November 19 2012 01:38 Dionyseus wrote: No, the best zergs and terrans weren't here, while the three best protoss players were here. You are treating this like an invitational. Hint: It wasn't. All players that were here were here because they qualified. That means that the best zerg/terran players weren't here BECAUSE the best protoss players defeated about all of them in the qualifiers. Why do you think only 2 korean zergs were able to qualify, 0 korean terrans, yet 5 protosses? | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 18 2012 23:34 MadProbe wrote: for fucks sake. USE SPOILERS IN THE OP. asshole. fuck. You know as soon as you type in teamliquid.net in your browser the first thing you see is who won, right? ._. It's just how they do things now. You can click a box in your settings (the thing that looks like a flower) so they it won't be displayed. I love how the zergs and protoss always go at one another after the match-up and someone loses. You guys have to understand that match-up has been flawed since the beginning and that's the way it's supposed to be played for protoss to gain the edge, or else the late game can give the Zerg a huge advantage. We've seen it time and time again, so instead of crying imbal you should accept it for what it is because it hasn't really changed much since the beginning. Protoss really do need to rely on strong timings in order not to be overrun. If you take a Zerg to the late game you are asking for trouble. | ||
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