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On November 16 2012 05:24 Dodgin wrote:
Ok so with Life out of the running, in this entire year Mvp will be the only player to make two different finals. Every finals will feature different players except GSL S2 and S4.
S1: Dongraegu, Genius
S2: Mvp, Squirtle
S3: Seed, MC
S4: Life, Mvp
S5: TBD, TBD ( impossible to be a repeat )
Is the game too volatile, or is the skill gap at the top level just too close unlike last year? I wonder.
I think the skill gap is a bit closer. But is it that much more volatile at the top? Remember, GSLs are more spread out this year so there is more time for player skill to change between GSLs. If we only look at the 2011 GSLs that would have happened during the 2012 schedule
Season 1 - Jan 2011 - Mvp MKP
Season 2 - Mar 2011 - MC July
Season 3 - Jul 2011 - Nestea Losira
Season 4 - Oct 2011 - Mvp MMA
Season 5 - Nov 2011 - Jjajki Leenock
I think people has just forgotten how hard it is to make Ro8 in GSL. You would be surprise if you look at the 2011 Ro8, there aren't that many players that have made 3 Ro8s.
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On November 15 2012 23:47 Lasbike wrote:
So Soulkey got 2-0ed by Leenock but he 4-0ed Life.
But..But... Life 4-3ed Leenock at MLG ?! What in the world is happening ?!
I guess "If A>B and B>C, then A>C" doesn't apply in SC2 :D
Life is superman. He can defeat anyone except... those with kryptonite! But yeah, different players have different play styles. Some people are better against other players than others.
Edit - On a more serious note, this is a common occurrence and doesn't speak volatility of anything.
See Nestea vs Losira GSL July finals (Nestea never lost a single game in GSL July).
Lets take Dota for example (since it's popular here on TL) - There are carries that can take out nearly every other hero once they're fully farmed and there are anti carries that specialize in taking out specifically carries (but maybe being useless in other areas).
Lets take someone like Outworld Destroyer for example. He went mid is the carry + farmed hero of the team, he's wrecking the enemy team.... EXCEPT they have have Pugna! Sneak in a Nether Ward, and Outworld Destroyer becomes basically useless unless he's stacked with high life items (his orb ability costs 100 mana to cost, which means Pugna's Netherward at level 4 deals 175 damage to him, everytime he uses it).
(Of course inb4 who uses OD as their carry considering BKB, silence, etc.)
Anyway that's a quick example but the point is, in any game or competition, just because someone defeats 90% of other players doesn't mean they can't be defeated by a "lower level" player (especially if the supposed lower level player specializes against that 90% win rate guy).
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Yes, the "biggest" Zerg boss is down!
Jjakji v 3.0
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it is realistic to call leenock the biggest favorite to win the season now?
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On November 16 2012 12:25 Black Gun wrote:
it is realistic to call leenock the biggest favorite to win the season now?
Probably. Creator and MKP aren't far behind. Haven't seen enough from Bogus/Soulkey to make a judgement. HyuN, Sniper and Ryung are the underdogs but who knows. Seed was the least favored to win (1% on polls) when he made Ro8.
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On November 16 2012 05:24 Dodgin wrote:
Ok so with Life out of the running, in this entire year Mvp will be the only player to make two different finals. Every finals will feature different players except GSL S2 and S4.
S1: Dongraegu, Genius
S2: Mvp, Squirtle
S3: Seed, MC
S4: Life, Mvp
S5: TBD, TBD ( impossible to be a repeat )
Is the game too volatile, or is the skill gap at the top level just too close unlike last year? I wonder.
There is too much randomness in this game and much less micro than in BW. When maps were smaller MC, MVP, Nestea could micro units more and therefore skill in micro really mattered. Now on big maps games often last more than 20 minutes and in late game success depends on how well players have casted vortex, fungal in final battle.
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On November 16 2012 14:55 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 05:24 Dodgin wrote:
Ok so with Life out of the running, in this entire year Mvp will be the only player to make two different finals. Every finals will feature different players except GSL S2 and S4.
S1: Dongraegu, Genius
S2: Mvp, Squirtle
S3: Seed, MC
S4: Life, Mvp
S5: TBD, TBD ( impossible to be a repeat )
Is the game too volatile, or is the skill gap at the top level just too close unlike last year? I wonder. There is too much randomness in this game and much less micro than in BW. When maps were smaller MC, MVP, Nestea could micro units more and therefore skill in micro really mattered. Now on big maps games often last more than 20 minutes and in late game success depends on how well players have casted vortex, fungal in final battle.
if micro really mattered marineking would have won several GSLs by now.
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On November 16 2012 15:05 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 14:55 MikeMM wrote:On November 16 2012 05:24 Dodgin wrote:
Ok so with Life out of the running, in this entire year Mvp will be the only player to make two different finals. Every finals will feature different players except GSL S2 and S4.
S1: Dongraegu, Genius
S2: Mvp, Squirtle
S3: Seed, MC
S4: Life, Mvp
S5: TBD, TBD ( impossible to be a repeat )
Is the game too volatile, or is the skill gap at the top level just too close unlike last year? I wonder. There is too much randomness in this game and much less micro than in BW. When maps were smaller MC, MVP, Nestea could micro units more and therefore skill in micro really mattered. Now on big maps games often last more than 20 minutes and in late game success depends on how well players have casted vortex, fungal in final battle. if micro really mattered marineking would have won several GSLs by now.
Why than in you opinion MC, Nestea, MVP managed to win GSL several times? And why for a year and a half there is always new champion in GSL?
And by the way micro doesn’t consist only in splitting marines.
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On November 16 2012 15:15 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 15:05 opterown wrote:On November 16 2012 14:55 MikeMM wrote:On November 16 2012 05:24 Dodgin wrote:
Ok so with Life out of the running, in this entire year Mvp will be the only player to make two different finals. Every finals will feature different players except GSL S2 and S4.
S1: Dongraegu, Genius
S2: Mvp, Squirtle
S3: Seed, MC
S4: Life, Mvp
S5: TBD, TBD ( impossible to be a repeat )
Is the game too volatile, or is the skill gap at the top level just too close unlike last year? I wonder. There is too much randomness in this game and much less micro than in BW. When maps were smaller MC, MVP, Nestea could micro units more and therefore skill in micro really mattered. Now on big maps games often last more than 20 minutes and in late game success depends on how well players have casted vortex, fungal in final battle. if micro really mattered marineking would have won several GSLs by now. Why than in you opinion MC, Nestea, MVP managed to win GSL several times? And why for a year and a half there is always new champion in GSL?
because back then everyone was much much worse and those 3 adapted to sc2 quicker
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On November 16 2012 15:17 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 15:15 MikeMM wrote:On November 16 2012 15:05 opterown wrote:On November 16 2012 14:55 MikeMM wrote:On November 16 2012 05:24 Dodgin wrote:
Ok so with Life out of the running, in this entire year Mvp will be the only player to make two different finals. Every finals will feature different players except GSL S2 and S4.
S1: Dongraegu, Genius
S2: Mvp, Squirtle
S3: Seed, MC
S4: Life, Mvp
S5: TBD, TBD ( impossible to be a repeat )
Is the game too volatile, or is the skill gap at the top level just too close unlike last year? I wonder. There is too much randomness in this game and much less micro than in BW. When maps were smaller MC, MVP, Nestea could micro units more and therefore skill in micro really mattered. Now on big maps games often last more than 20 minutes and in late game success depends on how well players have casted vortex, fungal in final battle. if micro really mattered marineking would have won several GSLs by now. Why than in you opinion MC, Nestea, MVP managed to win GSL several times? And why for a year and a half there is always new champion in GSL? because back then everyone was much much worse and those 3 adapted to sc2 quicker
So the answer to your question is that MKP was worse than those 3 and couldn't adapt to sc2.
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On November 16 2012 15:21 MikeMM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 15:17 opterown wrote:On November 16 2012 15:15 MikeMM wrote:On November 16 2012 15:05 opterown wrote:On November 16 2012 14:55 MikeMM wrote:On November 16 2012 05:24 Dodgin wrote:
Ok so with Life out of the running, in this entire year Mvp will be the only player to make two different finals. Every finals will feature different players except GSL S2 and S4.
S1: Dongraegu, Genius
S2: Mvp, Squirtle
S3: Seed, MC
S4: Life, Mvp
S5: TBD, TBD ( impossible to be a repeat )
Is the game too volatile, or is the skill gap at the top level just too close unlike last year? I wonder. There is too much randomness in this game and much less micro than in BW. When maps were smaller MC, MVP, Nestea could micro units more and therefore skill in micro really mattered. Now on big maps games often last more than 20 minutes and in late game success depends on how well players have casted vortex, fungal in final battle. if micro really mattered marineking would have won several GSLs by now. Why than in you opinion MC, Nestea, MVP managed to win GSL several times? And why for a year and a half there is always new champion in GSL? because back then everyone was much much worse and those 3 adapted to sc2 quicker So the answer to your question is that MKP was worse than those 3 and couldn't adapt to sc2.
which means that that's the answer, not the maps thing you brought up at all. even though he was overall worse at sc2, his micro was better than the others' even back then. it wasn't the maps, just general skill that made the difference
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On November 16 2012 15:26 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 15:21 MikeMM wrote:On November 16 2012 15:17 opterown wrote:On November 16 2012 15:15 MikeMM wrote:On November 16 2012 15:05 opterown wrote:On November 16 2012 14:55 MikeMM wrote:On November 16 2012 05:24 Dodgin wrote:
Ok so with Life out of the running, in this entire year Mvp will be the only player to make two different finals. Every finals will feature different players except GSL S2 and S4.
S1: Dongraegu, Genius
S2: Mvp, Squirtle
S3: Seed, MC
S4: Life, Mvp
S5: TBD, TBD ( impossible to be a repeat )
Is the game too volatile, or is the skill gap at the top level just too close unlike last year? I wonder. There is too much randomness in this game and much less micro than in BW. When maps were smaller MC, MVP, Nestea could micro units more and therefore skill in micro really mattered. Now on big maps games often last more than 20 minutes and in late game success depends on how well players have casted vortex, fungal in final battle. if micro really mattered marineking would have won several GSLs by now. Why than in you opinion MC, Nestea, MVP managed to win GSL several times? And why for a year and a half there is always new champion in GSL? because back then everyone was much much worse and those 3 adapted to sc2 quicker So the answer to your question is that MKP was worse than those 3 and couldn't adapt to sc2. which means that that's the answer, not the maps thing you brought up at all. even though he was overall worse at sc2, his micro was better than the others' even back then. it wasn't the maps, just general skill that made the difference
Nope, smaller maps and ability to micro allowed to MC, Nestea, MVP to show that they are better than the others.
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On November 16 2012 10:42 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 05:24 Dodgin wrote:
Ok so with Life out of the running, in this entire year Mvp will be the only player to make two different finals. Every finals will feature different players except GSL S2 and S4.
S1: Dongraegu, Genius
S2: Mvp, Squirtle
S3: Seed, MC
S4: Life, Mvp
S5: TBD, TBD ( impossible to be a repeat )
Is the game too volatile, or is the skill gap at the top level just too close unlike last year? I wonder. I think people has just forgotten how hard it is to make Ro8 in GSL. You would be surprise if you look at the 2011 Ro8, there aren't that many players that have made 3 Ro8s.
Not so hard, best 8 players of previous GSL just need to win 4 best of 3 in a row or win 4 best of 3 out of 6.
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First MACRO. Thought he was done so many times.
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On November 16 2012 09:26 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 07:22 MrCon wrote:
I'll ask here because it's making me crazy and I need to find the answer. Perhaps a mod will read that and remember that game or just someone else.
I'm looking for a broodwar game, I think it was iloveoov, it was on a space map, oov was botleft and his opponent protoss on topleft, his opponent comes for standard dragoon early harass but the terran sneak some vultures and lay mines in the retreat path, then push out with his tank and make the dragoons retreat on the mines, this was a great move.
Then he wins from here.
I'm getting insane not remembering what game was that. Boxer vs Anytime game 4. Not an Oov game, but fits perfectly otherwise.
Yes, YES ! Thanks 
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Nice to see that Soulkey has made it. (=
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