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On November 12 2012 20:09 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 20:07 dainbramage wrote:On November 12 2012 20:05 Sc2Null wrote:On November 12 2012 20:04 sicueft wrote: Wait, why was Ultra time reduced again? Because zergs whined that they weren't being used enough? It didn't align with other T3 build times...I believe the previous BT was 70s..stop complaining Going from 5 seconds less than a colossus to that of an immortal is aligning with t3 build times? Your not factoring in chronoboost of a colossus....just stop
As he doesn't do it for Thors and Battlecruisers I guess. Terrans should just start chronoboosting their T3 units I guess...
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Hard game to watch as a terran player. Ryung turtles to get a composition that will crush Infestor/BL, but that allows Zerg to just remax on Ultras. However, if Ryung had gone earlier he wouldn't have had the Ravens to crush Curious's first army. Seems like it didn't matter what path he chose, I don't think Zerg can be beaten in the super-late game.
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Ryung played his best, not much more he could have done. 18 ultra being made at the same time is to much. Zerg tech switch is insane.
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On November 12 2012 20:09 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 20:08 ES.Genie wrote:On November 12 2012 20:05 Blaec wrote:On November 12 2012 20:04 sicueft wrote: Wait, why was Ultra time reduced again? Because zergs whined that they weren't being used enough? Errr I put myself in the perfect postion for max ultras to beat me, obviously they are OP. Silly Ryung killing the BL army. Maybe he should avoid situations were Curious has all the money and larva he wants to go max ultra.
wow that's a really clever thought.
I guess all the zergs should avoid the situations when protoss can build 3 immortals and sentries too.
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On November 12 2012 20:13 Fearest wrote: Terran should try Max Mech into Max Bio into Max Mech just like Zerg
Yeap. Youd need a big mortgage to pull that one off.
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On November 12 2012 20:09 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 20:07 dainbramage wrote:On November 12 2012 20:05 Sc2Null wrote:On November 12 2012 20:04 sicueft wrote: Wait, why was Ultra time reduced again? Because zergs whined that they weren't being used enough? It didn't align with other T3 build times...I believe the previous BT was 70s..stop complaining Going from 5 seconds less than a colossus to that of an immortal is aligning with t3 build times? Your not factoring in chronoboost of a colossus....just stop And you are not factoring in that you can build 10+ ultras at the time
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On November 12 2012 20:09 firehand101 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 20:07 silent_owl wrote: Well, it was nice seeing someone beat BL infestor. Lol.
Ryung must be pretty frustrated. he beat it the first time, not the second
Beating it once is tough enough. I won't complain about that stupidly fast remax as I believe it's an advantage a Zerg has if the Z player is left unchecked.
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On November 12 2012 20:12 imallinson wrote:BCs being weak isn't the problem it's getting to them that's difficult.
He did have plenty of time to get there. I do wonder how much different the game might've been had he decided to go that route.
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On November 12 2012 20:11 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 20:10 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 20:09 Sc2Null wrote:On November 12 2012 20:07 dainbramage wrote:On November 12 2012 20:05 Sc2Null wrote:On November 12 2012 20:04 sicueft wrote: Wait, why was Ultra time reduced again? Because zergs whined that they weren't being used enough? It didn't align with other T3 build times...I believe the previous BT was 70s..stop complaining Going from 5 seconds less than a colossus to that of an immortal is aligning with t3 build times? Your not factoring in chronoboost of a colossus....just stop Sc2Null is just upset at the impending infester nerfs  Infestor nerfs? Link please? I'm also pretty sure that game was won, not because of infestors, but because of the bank curious had to remax. It is the job of the terran/toss to prevent zerg from getting to that stage. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5848167253
poor you
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On November 12 2012 20:13 Fearest wrote: Terran should try Max Mech into Max Bio into Max Mech just like Zerg
don't forget the skyterran switch too
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So, how anyone can defend what just happened? I honestly want to know how zerg players think about that kind of games.
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On November 12 2012 20:09 gengka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 20:06 poorcloud wrote: dam why does terrans never ever build cattlebruisers for the uber late game? Only thing that counters both ultras and broodlords imo we are terrans. we are not designed to be able to do quick tech switch and instant remax. Plus zergs has infestors as their backbones which can compliment watever tech switch they wanna do
That is just really the crux of the problem, these things are just too versatile. Fungal against viking-based armies, infested terrans against tank-based armies, and if it ever gets to BCs they can neural them. Terran could probably deal with the tech switch between BL and Ultras much better if it wasn't for the infestors.
But this is just general speaking and not necessarily the problem in that specific game. If Zerg has enough bank to build 18 Ultras at once, than he probably just had too much time and got away with too much. It was really well played by Curious I think, two excellent players faced off there.
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On November 12 2012 20:09 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 20:08 ES.Genie wrote:On November 12 2012 20:05 Blaec wrote:On November 12 2012 20:04 sicueft wrote: Wait, why was Ultra time reduced again? Because zergs whined that they weren't being used enough? Errr I put myself in the perfect postion for max ultras to beat me, obviously they are OP. Silly Ryung killing the BL army. Maybe he should avoid situations were Curious has all the money and larva he wants to go max ultra.
Thats not really feasable. What Ryung needed was for his Ravens not to die really but going from the amount of max energy ravens he had down to 2 really hurt him. If he had attacked without that many Ravens he would have lost the fight but if they were still alive then maybe he is able to hold even though the ultra switch did sooooooo much damage.
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On November 12 2012 20:12 HaXXspetten wrote: anyone mind informing exactly how DRG lost? he played horribly
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On November 12 2012 20:13 YyapSsap wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 20:13 Fearest wrote: Terran should try Max Mech into Max Bio into Max Mech just like Zerg
Yeap. Youd need a big mortgage to pull that one off. Give me 6 queens and maybe.
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On November 12 2012 20:13 THM wrote: Wow, so Ryung played amazingly in this whole series, specifically in Game 3 with the awesome positioning and micro to completely crush the BL/infestor army. Aaand he loses anyway.
Can't say I'm impressed with SC2 right now.
wtf man. He made a gajilion mistakes.
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I think Ryung could have done better if:
1. He didn't land and sac most of his Vikings after killing of the BLs. 2. Defended against the Ultra switch better. Maybe retreat behind some kind of loose sim-city that would fuck with the Ultras' pathing AI.
And I do realize that he had a sim city of facts on one side, but i wish he had another sim city on the other side.
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On November 12 2012 20:11 .kv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 20:10 Aserrin wrote: The game as it is has become simply unplayable. pvt and tvp is playable
at least until the midgame, but yet again, the game is so well balanced around the mid game, i feel like all uber t3 units bring more dissapointment to viewers
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On November 12 2012 20:10 DarkLordOlli wrote: I think the way zerg is supposed to be beaten is by having a viking-only army. One half is microed PERFECTLY against BL/infestor and the other half is hunting overlords in zerg's base before zerg can remax on anything. I think that's how it works
You could also lift buildings and camp the hatcheries so that overlords can't spawn, forcing a tie.
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On November 12 2012 20:11 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 20:10 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 20:09 Sc2Null wrote:On November 12 2012 20:07 dainbramage wrote:On November 12 2012 20:05 Sc2Null wrote:On November 12 2012 20:04 sicueft wrote: Wait, why was Ultra time reduced again? Because zergs whined that they weren't being used enough? It didn't align with other T3 build times...I believe the previous BT was 70s..stop complaining Going from 5 seconds less than a colossus to that of an immortal is aligning with t3 build times? Your not factoring in chronoboost of a colossus....just stop Sc2Null is just upset at the impending infester nerfs  Infestor nerfs? Link please? I'm also pretty sure that game was won, not because of infestors, but because of the bank curious had to remax. It is the job of the terran/toss to prevent zerg from getting to that stage.
What? The infestors kind of make it hard for the terran/toss to do that effectively. They shut down drops and pushes pretty effectively.
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